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MzMia -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/13/2010 7:59:53 PM)

lol, Aylee I think you have got it!
 
Next time I see weird/drastic weather changes or another
"natural" disaster, I will blame the pirates.
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Aylee -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/13/2010 8:02:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

lol, Aylee I think you have got it!
 
Next time I see weird/drastic weather changes or another
"natural" disaster, I will blame the pirates.
[8|]


Well, I am in Kansas, and Robert Henderson TRIED to get it taught by the schools.  Here is an excerpt of his letter from May, 2005.   

"You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature."





tazzygirl -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/13/2010 8:05:08 PM)

Im curious if it is or isnt, MzMia. How long have we been keeping accurate records? What was the carbon footprint of the dinosaurs? The list of questions go on and on. And no one seems to be able to answer them. Such as... how often have the polar caps melted... and why did they melt before? The earths weather patterns occur in cycles... is the severity people are complaining about due, in part, to a cycle?

Too many questions... no one answers.





MzMia -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/13/2010 8:05:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

lol, Aylee I think you have got it!
 
Next time I see weird/drastic weather changes or another
"natural" disaster, I will blame the pirates.
[8|]


Well, I am in Kansas, and Robert Henderson TRIED to get it taught by the schools.  Here is an excerpt of his letter from May, 2005.   

"You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature."




this is just too funny.
lol
Hell, I believe in global warming AND global cooling, and I think there are other factors going
on most of us have no clue about.




TheHeretic -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/13/2010 8:07:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

The biggest earthquake Haiti has had in 200 years.





Big quakes happen at intervals that seem pretty large on a human timescale, Mia.  The fault closest to our house lets go in a big way (high 6 - low 7) anywhere from 200-3000 years apart.  It's been about a thousand years.  The other fault that could really fuck up our day, the better known San Andreas, pops off with a 7-8 every 140-160-ish years (we are at 153).

I found this list of historical earthquakes in Haiti.  1860, 1770, 1761, 1751, 1684, 1673, and 1618.  It looks this one was overdue.  The record might suggest that more big quakes will hit in the decades to come

Please don't think I'm ignoring the awful tragedy that has fallen on these impoverished people.  It's a horrible thing, but I'm not seeing a sign of the end times.




MzMia -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/13/2010 8:11:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im curious if it is or isnt, MzMia. How long have we been keeping accurate records? What was the carbon footprint of the dinosaurs? The list of questions go on and on. And no one seems to be able to answer them. Such as... how often have the polar caps melted... and why did they melt before? The earths weather patterns occur in cycles... is the severity people are complaining about due, in part, to a cycle?

Too many questions... no one answers.




What a great post tazzy!
Are we headed towards another great shift or change?
The earth has gone through many changes as it has evolved, just

interesting to watch it.
I am not complaining, I find it fascinating, I have always found the weather and natural
disasters fascinating.
There is plenty to be fascinated about these days.

The last great Depression was 80 years ago, I never thought I would see one of those either.
So between the weather and the Depression, I am seeing many things I never dreamed I would see.
And you can bet your last money, there is more to come.
I have a feeling like that old song "I ain't seen nothing yet".
 




MzMia -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/13/2010 8:23:21 PM)

Rich, did I say anything about the end of times?
I just asked if other people thought the weather/and ALL

the natural disasters we have had in the last 5-7 years was unusual.
 
Some feel it is, some feel it ain't.
For those that feel all is well and good and part of normal weather
patterns/natural disasters fine.
I KNOW this earthquakes was predicted, and I am still saying we
have a lot of earthquakes, floods, tsunami's weird weather and all kinds of shit
going on these days.
I ain't typing it no more!
Think whatever you want!
Egads!!!!

 
Maybe the earth is breaking down like an old car, who the hell knows?




Lucylastic -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/13/2010 9:19:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Why is it that no other countries ever show up to aid us when we have a disaster ? I'm with Popeye.


That's a great question.


Its called google and its your friend  on the path to enlightenment or at  least some knowledge.
for example
is this a clue?
Yes its wikipedia, but each amount has the originating source if you would like to follow them

but theres quite a bit more at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

That will teach me, [:)]... I deleted the list, but left the address cos I screwed up formatting and saw Rules response...
plus
most of the aid not accepted was because of treaties, and politics






eyesopened -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 5:00:53 AM)

MzMia:

With the greatest of love and respect.  One of the reasons these disasters seem so bad and so frequent is the simple fact that we have instantaneous communication which we didn't have a scant 60 years ago.  Just 30 years ago, we wouldn't be on a message board discussing it.  We hear and see these disasters as they happen because people have video on their cell phones, because we have cable and satellites and even better, competing news agencies just waiting for the next thing to instil fear (and thereby increase ratings) in every citizen.

It's really only been a couple hundred years since there's been anyone keeping track of weather, maybe less.  We don't have enough accurate historical data to really say this period of activity is more active or less than it was say 500 years ago.  We know things are happening now because of the world wide communications we currently have. 

We really don't have much historical perspective to put on natural disasters.  Some kind of major flood was recorded in ancient texts but since most of those texts are "religous" they are not believed and since no universal calendar was in place, we have little data to suggest exactly when "The Flood" happened or even how widespread that flooding may have been, if it happened.




Louve00 -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 5:32:12 AM)

Not to mention, Canada, Brazil, France, China and more countries are expected to help this poor nation who is suffering.  Looking at the devastation on television I'm glad America has the compassion to help in this United Nation effort to help Haiti.  As far as the Americans on this board against helping mankind.  All I can say is shame on you and glad you're in the minority!!

**Editted to add this was not directed to eyesopened.  Just so happened I posted my opinion after hers.  :)




vincentML -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 6:30:22 AM)

It's tough. Being alive on this planet is tough for too many. It's tough to be Haitian living in Haiti. It's tough to be impoverished and without medical care in Haiti or in the USA. And it's a damn shame. To recall Marlon Brando's character crying in anguish in Apocalypse Now: "Oh, the Humanity! The Humanity!"

However, those of us who are more fortunate to go through our lives uneffected by natural or social disasters seem to have a propensity, a need to fill our lives with paranoia. If not about social change, changes in medical care delivery, intergallactic alien invasions, socialism, government dictatorship, climate change, whatever ... we just can't seem to resist putting on those tin hats and hiding in the fallout shelters we build in our minds. We feed on our own paranoia. To borrow from Buffalo Springfield:

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


<BIG CLIP>

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

Buffalo Springfield circa 1968


I wonder if it is from guilt over our own good fortune that we need to invent or imagine imminent catastrophies. Do you suppose?





UncleNasty -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 8:37:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

Sure, it is a possibility. Global Cooling is also a possibility, as well as many other theories out there right now. What we do know is that we're seeing evidence of climate and environmental shifts. What we don't know completely is WHY.

But here's my take on all the global warming stuff - and this is under my "yoga teacher" hat, not my "biologist" hat:

We can sit around and theorize and point fingers and yell at each other and our Government to "FIX IT." We can be very, very afraid and spread that fear amongst an already skittish human herd until we're all locked in the basement with tin foil hats and shotguns, waiting for "The End."

Or we can do everything we can to be good people, to help each other, to care for our earth as best we can, to cause as little impact on the earth and others as we can, and if possible even do something for the larger global good. And spread love, and understanding, not fear. Those poor, poor people in Haiti right now need all the love and help they can get.

The fact remains that our world is ALWAYS changing. Homeostasis is a myth of modern thinking - modern comforts have led us to believe that ours is a static earth, not a LIVING one. It is alive. People die. Animals die. And one day we will all be dead - and who knows, maybe even our whole race as a whole. At times i actually find a bit of peace in that fact, actually...because all we have left, all we really CAN do, is love.

[/off soapbox]
julie


How dare you make a well reasoned and thought out series of posts, and particularly on this most polarized of issues!!!

You must be biased to the point of being completely unbalanced in order to participate. Those are the rules. Now, get with the program.

Uncle Nasty




thompsonx -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 10:43:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Why is it that no other countries ever show up to aid us when we have a disaster ? I'm with Popeye.


During the Katrina fiasco while bush&co. sat around with their collective thumbs up their asses Cuba offered and the U.S. refused a hospital ship with 1526 doctors and 26 tons of medicine.
In all there were 145 countries who offered help, the overwhelming majority of which were refused.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Report_details_US_refusal...




servantforuse -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 11:16:21 AM)

I doubt very much that Cuba even has 1500 doctors. PR stunt maybe, ??




Sanity -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 11:44:54 AM)




I don't think you'd want a Cuban doctor working on you even if they did have that many.


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I doubt very much that Cuba even has 1500 doctors. PR stunt maybe, ??




luckydawg -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 12:00:06 PM)

Its already been included in the links, that drugs and unliscened medical providers were turned down, because of liability issues. No conspiricy, no plot. Just the medical tort rules that Democrats refuse to even consider reforming.




popeye1250 -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 12:04:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I didnt realise she was secretary of homelessness


Well gee Lucy, tell her that, she's worried about the "homeless" in Haiti now, not the homelessness in the U.S., fuck them let them freeze to death right?


Sailorman seriously?
Do you really think the United States and the rest of the world, shouldn't be helping

the victims of the earthquake in Haiti?
When we have large scale disasters in the world, at least people normally help from all
over the world. {Humanitarian aid}



Mia, I didn't say we shouldn't be helping. We should help out just like we did after the Tsunami.
Read the other thread "out of the woodwork."




NihilusZero -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 12:10:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Mia, yeah, it must have caused $50 or $60 worth of damage there.
Not to worry, their voo doo gods will sort things out.

Countering dubious correlations between atmospheric changes and geological changes with fatuous idiocy is an interesting technique...




vincentML -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 1:05:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity




I don't think you'd want a Cuban doctor working on you even if they did have that many.


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I doubt very much that Cuba even has 1500 doctors. PR stunt maybe, ??



I suppose you would prefer the alternative to lay on the pavement and bleed to death.




vincentML -> RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weather is changing??? (1/14/2010 1:10:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Its already been included in the links, that drugs and unliscened medical providers were turned down, because of liability issues. No conspiricy, no plot. Just the medical tort rules that Democrats refuse to even consider reforming.


Sorry, I missed that. Do you mean the links in this thread?

Nevermind, I found a link to it. Thanks anyway.




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