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puppy4adoption -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 11:19:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Anyone surprised?

Andy Barr Andy Barr – Thu Jan 14, 11:57 am ET
Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh and televangelist Pat Robertson are being scolded for their comments in the immediate aftermath of an earthquake in Haiti that has killed tens of thousands, according to early estimates.

Critics from both the left and right are denouncing their remarks as insensitive to the disaster and attempts to score political points off human tragedy.

Speaking on his radio show Wednesday, Limbaugh said the earthquake has played into Obama’s hands, allowing the president to look “compassionate” and “humanitarian” while at the same time bolstering his standing in both the “light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country.”

He added: “We've already donated to Haiti. It’s called the U.S. income tax.”

Limbaugh’s comments were, in part, a riff on Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) much publicized remark in a new book that Obama was able to win the election because he is “light-skinned” and lacks a “Negro dialect.”

But regardless of the intended context, Limbaugh’s comments have been widely panned.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/31502


Didn't someone in Obama's cabinet say "don't let a good crisis go to waste"? Hm, what was the name of that person. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow. Of course, after his statement he has to put a political tongue lash to it in order for him to justify his statement as being for good and not for bad.




Sanity -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 11:23:52 AM)


Better link, Rahm Emmanual (Obama advisor) saying "you never want a serious crisis to go to waste":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow




tazzygirl -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 12:12:26 PM)

If you go back through the thread, you will see that using this as a way to score political points is not the point of contention here... timing is. and oddly enough, if the blow hard had kept quiet, and pulled this out later, the punch would have been far worse.

timing timing timing




popeye1250 -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 12:18:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I have clearly demonstrated that we are invading Haiti julia, in this post:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3011351


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

We did not "help" Iraq... we invaded it.... geesh




You haven't really demonstrated shit. An invasion would be uninvited.

This has clearly been invited.

Ron




Ron, true. Remember when Clinton tried to invade Haiti back in the 90's? He sent warships and Marines not hospital ships.
And CNN I think ran footage of a guy saying something like, "Our voodoo gods are all powerfull!" or something like that.
And the "voo doo" gods turned those ships and Marines away remember? Clinton certainly wasn't "invited" in was he? He kinda did it all on his lonesome.
The same with Kosovo, Bosnia and one or two other countries. And of course it never occurred to him or to anyone else in Washington to consult with the American People on these matters first. But Clinton is a psychopath as Julia said and they just can't learn.
I read that book, "The Sociopath Nextdoor" and it fits him to a "t". "Psychopath/Sociopath" both mean the same thing.
I don't think anyone is against helping out in a situation like this or the Tsunami disaster and I think a lot of good will come out of it including shining a spotlight on these crooked and corrupt foreign aid programs that are keeping lawyers and lobbyists and ex-congressmen and senators like Dick Army and possably Chris Dood in the future in the newest version of the Mercedes "S" class.
The ex congressmen and senators look at those lobbyist positions as "their payday" for serving at lowly wages of $165k. It's like their "entitlement." That is absolutely "chump change" compared to what they can make as "lobbyists", $400-$600k, some make in the millions, all for as they call it, "mining the taxpayers." That's the unofficial term they use! "Mining the Taxpayers!"
All any foreign country need do is to hire a lobbyist firm and they don't even need any "earnest money" up front, the lobbyists are happy to take a percentage of the take when the checks arrive! And do you think the American People have any say in this? Your congressman or senators are always, ..."looking to the future!"

Ron, go into the Mercedes Benz site and check out the "S" class! They should use pictures of lobbyists driving them through the "horse country" of Western Maryland. "A thouroughbred for a thouroughbred!"
They start at $89k per copy.




popeye1250 -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 1:47:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I have clearly demonstrated that we are invading Haiti julia, in this post:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3011351


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

We did not "help" Iraq... we invaded it.... geesh




You haven't really demonstrated shit. An invasion would be uninvited.

This has clearly been invited.

Ron




Oh Ronald, you may want to check out Yahoo's front page.
They're calling it,..."a compassionate invaision!"
Yup, they used the "I" word!




slvemike4u -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 2:14:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Sometimes its difficult to avoid sinking to the same level of the lowest that these forums have to offer, but in this case I am going to resist taking the bait, and I think I am a better man for it.


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

See, this is the value of putting that fruitbat on ignore. He sees a thread that puts his beloved Rush in a bad light, and bangs away for a day or two trying to find some way to derail it so that it's not about his hero anymore. His first few attempts miss the mark, but he keeps trying, and eventually he stumbles across a gambit that works - claiming that the American relief effort is actually a military invasion, no different than the invasion of Iraq. Except worse, in some vague, inexplicable way.

And suddenly the thread's not about his master, Rush, anymore. Now it's about Iraq, and the evil lefties. Just like he always does, he's spammed the thread with page after page after page of psychotic babbling about how Obama is invading Haiti with a fleet of hospital ships. That's the value of just blocking the idiot - granted, the thread's still effectively derailed, but you don't have to wade through several pages of his bullshit posts in order to pick out the worthwhile contributions by the normal posters.


Shit Sanity ,wrong again.......one would think,if only under the law of averages and the "blind squirrel"theory you would get one of these posts right one of these days.But alas it would seem  today is not that day....but keep plugging buddy,no one can be wrong all of the time on all subjects.




tazzygirl -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 2:56:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I have clearly demonstrated that we are invading Haiti julia, in this post:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3011351


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

We did not "help" Iraq... we invaded it.... geesh




You haven't really demonstrated shit. An invasion would be uninvited.

This has clearly been invited.

Ron




Oh Ronald, you may want to check out Yahoo's front page.
They're calling it,..."a compassionate invaision!"
Yup, they used the "I" word!


Lets look at this "invasion"

It fell to State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley to clarify a delicate point: "We're not," he insisted, "taking over Haiti." Strictly speaking, that's true: Haiti remains a sovereign country, and there are 9,000 U.N. peacekeepers already there, charged with maintaining security. But as death stalks those smothered beneath the rubble of pancaked buildings, and poor sanitation triggers outbreaks of dysentery and other diseases, one nation in the world has the muscle to quickly make a difference. That's why the U.S. is racing aid to the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere. If things get worse, the U.S. — fairly or unfairly — will be blamed by many for not doing enough.

Sometimes it takes a catastrophe to demonstrate just how much more the U.S. military is able to do than simply kill the enemy. Only the U.S. can initially control flights into and out of the Port-au-Prince airport from aboard a nearby Coast Guard cutter, while waiting for an Air Force special-ops team to set up shop at the airport and step up operations to 24/7. Only U.S. warships have the capability to generate up to 400,000 gallons of fresh water a day from seawater. Only the U.S. military can send a spy drone from California to fly lazy orbits over Port-au-Prince snapping close to 1,000 pictures a day, which when compared with similar ones shot last summer, create a map of the hardest hit areas that can be instantly relayed to those working on the ground.



Only the U.S. military has enough aluminum matting to boost the runway capacity of Port-au-Prince airport. Only the U.S. military has the surveillance capability to quickly assess additional Haitian airfields and seaports for use in rescue relief operations. Only the U.S. military has the wide variety of vessels and aircraft to utilize those fields and ports, including air-cushioned vehicles capable of ferrying 60 tons of supplies from ship to shore at 40 knots.



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1953379_1953494_1954326,00.html#ixzz0cop73Ltv


Hospitals, water, food, police support, UN workers watching, personnel... my god!!! we are invading to take over that poor country!




Lucylastic -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 3:05:40 PM)

That's why the U.S. is racing aid to the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere. If things get worse, the U.S. — fairly or unfairly — will be blamed by many for not doing enough.

It makes sense to most of us Tazzy, but some people will still put Obama in the hot seat for/not doing something right/wrong.
I am so glad that the people  whinning and pouting against the US government and obama especially are more than a little impotent to the point they have to pretend they are playing devils advocate. its hysterical

Invasion my arse, what a bunch of plonkers, keep up the good work for the innocent and hurting people of Haiti.
I hope those troops deployed to help, will be safe and sound.






juliaoceania -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 3:10:34 PM)

fast reply

I could really give a rat's ass if Obama and his admin make political gain on this. WTF else do politicians do? I mean really... this thread is not about Obama advocating turning his back on desperate people... it is about the narcissistic bastard Rush Limbaugh

For those who are attempting to make it about Obama... you are just as bad as any politician you are down on... seriously... really.. it isn't all about you or "your side"




thishereboi -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/16/2010 4:12:41 PM)

I know I don't say this often....but

Good post tazzy.[:)]




mnottertail -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 7:44:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


I have clearly demonstrated that we are invading Haiti julia, in this post:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3011351


quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

We did not "help" Iraq... we invaded it.... geesh




You haven't really demonstrated shit. An invasion would be uninvited.

This has clearly been invited.

Ron




Oh Ronald, you may want to check out Yahoo's front page.
They're calling it,..."a compassionate invaision!"
Yup, they used the "I" word!



I don't care what a bunch of fuckin yahoos call it. It don't make it so.

Ron




tazzygirl -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 9:17:18 AM)

wrong thread.. sorry [:D]




Sanity -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 9:42:17 AM)


Has anybody wondered what Limbaugh himself says about this controversy?


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Of Course, I Never Told Anyone Not to Donate to a Charitable Cause


BEGIN TRANSCRIPT [image]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/spc.gif[/image]
RUSH: I'm gonna respond to this absolute BS that I said don't donate.  But, you know, I do not make this program about me.  I try very hard not to make this program about me.  So if I have time to deal with that, I will.  I'm confident everybody in this audience knows what I said and what I didn't say.  Even the Washington Post says without the context, "What Limbaugh said is horrible." All I said was, if you paid your income taxes, that's how you donate to government for aid, and sure enough, here comes Obama announcing $100 million from the government for aid to Haiti, fine and dandy.  But, you paid for it, it's your taxes.  All I said was if you're going to donate do it outside the government, pure and simple.  I was attacked, folks, because I am the leading voice of mainstream conservative views, not for any other reason.  And this outrage is totally feigned, just as Tony Blankley said, all this outrage at me is totally faked up.  They know exactly what I said, and they know for a fact that I would never tell people not to donate to any charitable cause like this, so it is what it is.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

[image]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011510/content/01125106.Par.89380.ImageFile.jpg[/image]
RUSH: David Brooks today in the New York Times is basically saying what I said yesterday and was attacked for, that giving aid money to countries does not help them grow.  Here it is right here in the New York Times, and nobody's mad at them.  Do I need to read it? Yeah, let me.  "On Oct. 17, 1989, a major earthquake with a magnitude of 7.0 struck the Bay Area in Northern California. Sixty-three people were killed. This week, a major earthquake, also measuring a magnitude of 7.0, struck near Port-au-Prince, Haiti. The Red Cross estimates that between 45,000 and 50,000 people have died.  This is not a natural disaster story. This is a poverty story. It's a story about poorly constructed buildings, bad infrastructure and terrible public services. On Thursday, President Obama told the people of Haiti: 'You will not be forsaken; you will not be forgotten.'

If he is going to remain faithful to that vow then he is going to have to use this tragedy as an occasion to rethink our approach to global poverty. He's going to have to acknowledge a few difficult truths.  The first of those truths is that we don't know how to use aid to reduce poverty. Over the past few decades, the world has spent trillions of dollars to generate growth in the developing world. The countries that have not received much aid, like China, have seen tremendous growth and tremendous poverty reductions. The countries that have received aid, like Haiti, have not." Oh, my gosh, this is deja vu, except I'm the one that said it.  Using our own war on poverty, how much money have we given to the poor in this country, and we still have the same percentages of poor people -- and we're never supposed to examine the results, right?  Only the good intentions of the givers!

And, of course, the givers are us.  Our back pockets are looted by our own government, and the money is redistributed -- and as Mr. Brooks is saying here, there is no upside to this.  "In the recent anthology 'What Works in Development?,' a group of economists try to sort out what we've learned. The picture is grim. There are no policy levers that consistently correlate to increased growth. There is nearly zero correlation between how a developing economy does one decade and how it does the next. There is no consistently proven way to reduce corruption. Even improving governing institutions doesn't seem to produce the expected results. ... . More than 10,000 organizations perform missions of this sort in Haiti. ... 

"The second hard truth is that micro-aid is vital but insufficient. Given the failures of macrodevelopment, aid organizations often focus on microprojects. So we have "more than 10,000 organizations performing missions of this sort in Haiti." It's exactly what I said: We've got charities on the ground 24/7, 365 in Haiti. By some estimates, Haiti has more nongovernmental organizations per capita than any other place on earth. They are doing the Lord's work, especially these days, but even a blizzard of these efforts does not seem to add up to comprehensive change.  Third, it is time to put the thorny issue of culture at the center of efforts to tackle global poverty. Why is Haiti so poor? Well, it has a history of oppression, slavery and colonialism." Yeeeees, all the things we pointed out this week: Dictatorships! "But so does Barbados, and Barbados is doing pretty well.

"Haiti has endured ruthless dictators, corruption and foreign invasions. But so has the Dominican Republic, and the D.R. is in much better shape. Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic environment, yet the border between the two societies offers one of the starkest contrasts on earth -- with trees and progress on one side, and deforestation and poverty and early death on the other. "As Lawrence E. Harrison explained in his book 'The Central Liberal Truth,' Haiti, like most of the world's poorest nations, suffers from a complex web of progress-resistant cultural influences. There is the influence of the voodoo religion, which spreads the message that life is capricious and planning futile. There are high levels of social mistrust. Responsibility is often not internalized."

More at www.rushlimbaugh.com




tazzygirl -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 9:46:12 AM)

Nope. We havent. He is known well for his backpeddeling and lies.




Sanity -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 10:02:26 AM)


You fuckers just hate dissent. You can't stand it. It drives you absolutely stark raving nuts that Fox News is broadcasting and that people like Beck and Limbaugh are allowed to breathe.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Nope. We havent. He is known well for his backpeddeling and lies.




tazzygirl -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 10:03:57 AM)

fuckers?

tsk tsk, such language. no need to get so upset over a discussion board. or are you that far into denial that you cant control yourself when forced to see the truth?




Sanity -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 10:09:04 AM)


Oh, now you're gonna cry because I wrote the word 'fuckers"?

[sm=LMAO.gif]

Go dry your eyes dear, I'll be waiting here when you get back. Or not... its a nice day outside today. Near 45 and sunny, woo hoo!




MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 11:18:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Has anybody wondered what Limbaugh himself says about this controversy?





Lots of folks wondered what that idiot Danny Glover actually said, and fell all over themselves to give him EVERY benefit of ANY doubt.  Can't be bothered to give Rush any such consideration, though....

Not that it matters.  Rush ain't going anywhere.

And Glover hasn't gone anywhere for quite a while.... [:D]




juliaoceania -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 11:23:48 AM)

fast reply

Rush is doing damage control because he realized he slipped over the line into morally reprehensible gibberish... he has no inner moral compass to tell him where the line of human decency is... what a pathetic individual

Where is the link to the Red Cross on his site?.... hmmmm




Moonhead -> RE: Rush Drawing fire for his haitian comments (1/17/2010 11:34:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You fuckers just hate dissent. You can't stand it. It drives you absolutely stark raving nuts that Fox News is broadcasting and that people like Beck and Limbaugh are allowed to breathe.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Nope. We havent. He is known well for his backpeddeling and lies.


Actually, I think the fuckers connected to the liberal mass mind on here are a hell of a lot more tolerant of dissent than everybody who was asking "why do you hate America" under the chimp.
But then I am a limey who thinks that Obama is nearly as far to the right as Dubya, rather than a socialist...




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