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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 11:30:22 AM   
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lets say for the sake of an argument one pic is wrong eh? 


But what is your point?  I have been following this and you've lost me?

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well the grnd feature of the holocaust os the gassing which is where this all started which anyone who looks at this within reason can see on its face is bullshit.

Why would hitler go through all the trouble to gas anyone when all he had to do was march them into the creamatory and shoot them. 

1 right between the eyes, bullets 10 for a penny!

Versus expensive chemicals!

complete foolishness.  Oh and the best of all is burn all that gas transport them all the way from the tip of frnce just to gas them in poland.

There should have been lots of really fat jews in those mass graves unless they can get skinny in a 1-2 day ride to treblenka.

I am sorry but who can be that fucking dumb to buy such horseshit as that?

1 cheap bullet drop them on the spot, let the french deal with it.  One person even went so far as to claim it would have caused a jewish uprising!   I mean I didnt beat them up for it but again any reasonable person can see the foolishness on its face.  You do see dont you?

They would have simply mowed down a jewish uprising.  Its all doubletalk.

Like obahbahhahas address to the union and not one news media jumped on it.

So gassing is out which brings into question the whole story.

why build a concentration camp if the objective is to "extreminate" all jews?  All you would need is a creamatoroium and lots of coke which they have records of the amount of coke from begining to end of the war and there was just enough for heat and cooking!

So the proofs are there but you cant get anyone of these yahoos to look beyond their delusions.




wtf is true?



Perhaps the reason for transporting folks to a secluded location for mass extermination was to keep it quiet? You know, as opposed to giving fuel to fire up the bigger sleeping giants. What do you think the response would have been to mass executions occuring out in the open? How long do you think the rest of the world would have sat back watching that occur? Do you think such a thing might have gotten the US involved a bit sooner?

If you want to be an apologist for the animals that carried out these atrocities, by all means have at it. Perhaps, you will soon offer posthumous defenses of Gacy and Bundy (not to put them in the same league). I usually stay away from the personal comments about posters here, but in your case it is quite obvious that the lights are on, but nobody is home.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 11:30:55 AM   
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Besides, they didn't use cyanide. Zyklon B was a much cheaper gas that they'd already manufactured a stockpile of before finding that it was too toxic to be much use for delousing. Finding a use for the stuff could be seen as an efficient use of resources, I'd have thought.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 11:46:27 AM   
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Therefore, the HCN in the extermination chambers hardly had time to form compounds on the walls. While some claim that the gas would need a lot of time to kill, because it would have to spread all over the chamber, it simply is not true; the gas chambers were not that large (those in Krematoria II and III were about 210 square meters), and the Zyklon-B was dropped from four openings (still visible in the ruins of the gas chambers). Since the concentration used was higher than the lethal one, death was very swift. Furthermore, the delousing chambers are intact while the extermination chambers were blown up (a .GIF picture of the one of Krema II is available). Therefore, their walls have been exposed to the elements for the last 50 years. The ruins of the gas chamber of Krema II are covered with about 3 feet of water during certain periods of the year; HCN compounds easily dissolve in these surroundings. Nonetheless, so much gassing took place that some of the compound remained. Summarizing, the walls of the extermination gas chambers were in contact with HCN for a much shorter time then those of the delousing chambers, and for the last 45 years were exposed to surroundings which dissolve the compounds, while the delousing rooms were not. Therefore it is obvious that less traces of compounds would remain in them. This fact - that all, or most, of the compounds would vanish during 45 years of exposure - is clearly stated in the report written by the experts of the Cracow Institute of Forensic Research. (Also see The Leuchter FAQ)
  • Holocaust deniers once claimed that the gas chamber in Krema I was left intact, and therefore its walls were not exposed to the elements.

But - as they admit themselves - the gas chamber of Krema I was used only for a short time, and than it was changed to an air-raid shelter. After the liberation of the camp, it was reconstructed to its original shape. This, and the fact that "only" about 10,000 people were murdered inside it (compared to 350,000 and 400,000 in Kremas II and III) explain why relatively small amounts of cyanide compounds remain. As for Kremas IV and V, they were completely destroyed by the SS before the Soviets liberated the camp.





do you have any idea how much of that is sheer bullshit?  you should have a red face for posting that.  I bet you dont.  Fact is you can measure it anywhere in the camp.  In fact even buildings that were done one time you can still measure the residue.  the crakow report was proven to be "adjusted".  They failed on the first attempts and had to try like 3 times to get the numbers they got LOL

this crap is puppy chow, next post the red cross site, their memos at the time and their website do not match, whoda thunk it! LOL  After all these years in the weather it simply does not go away


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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 12:06:37 PM   
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What a cop out. If you wish you can start a thread on the topic of the missing plane. Your lack of evidence should be enlightening, to say the least.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 12:20:10 PM   
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In truth and honesty I stopped reading when he gave me evidence in the form of a blurry document I couldn't read. I believe he tried a similar tactic on the 911 thread using an 'all telling' grey blob image.


it certainly didnt bother you to accept that a plane went into that same grey blob, since it was a screen shot of polites video about 16 seconds in.  DUH!



This may be off topic but it shows just what a liar you are RealOne. You claim that the shot at 16 seconds is the plane entering the building, not me. The plane enters from a different side before 16 seconds and exits a different side at 21 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI8u-I0GWs4&feature=related

This just shows how you twist peoples words to suit your own purpose. I also note you dont deny much of the crap you spew is found on racist websites either.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 12:27:36 PM   
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Now AGAIN I am not saying mean nasty and bad things did not happen.  They certainly did as they do in any war.  That and the farther you get into poland the more you get mingling of evidence conveniently blamed on to the germans.



Not all of the camps were extermination camps. Some were labour camps - some concentration camps - some extermination camps (can think of Treblinka/Belzec/Sobibor) - so of course you will be able to find photos of some internees who were in a half decent state of health.

But you're not posting the countless pictures of mass graves etc.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 12:31:37 PM   
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Politesub, I was actually home after dropping my son off at preschool and was watching Good Morning America. They were showing the World Trade Center Towers after the first plane. The camera was fixed on the buildings the whole time I was watching. At that time, we didnt know why a plane hit. We thought it was some kind of accident. Many of us saw the second plane hit in real time and were stunned as it started to set in that this was an attack. The newscasters were stunned as we all viewed this while it was actually occuring.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 1:14:47 PM   
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Why would hitler go through all the trouble to gas anyone when all he had to do was march them into the creamatory and shoot them.

1 right between the eyes, bullets 10 for a penny!


Because they had worked it out that it cost about 0.01 to kill one Jew with the Zyklon-B. Also, this method was much more efficient and effective than previous methods which had been used. In the beginning, they sent troops out that just roamed the country side, rounding up Jewish families and just shooting them, but this proved to be too costly. When they started sending people to the camps, at first they would put them in Red Cross trucks which had the exhaust pipe connected to the back cab where the people would sit, then they would drive around until the people were dead. However, this was time consuming and it was not always effective. Sometimes one or more of the people inside were still living. Zyklon-B was introduced as a method of delousing. It was really cheap and since the Nazis equated Jews with vermin, they thought it poetic to kill them with pesticides, thus using methods associated with the extermination of vermin. They tested it out and found that it took about 5 minutes to kill about 2,000 people at once via Zyklon-B.

Now, if you placed a bunch of people in a room then just started firing, how many bullets would it take to effectively kill 2,000 people and how long? 2,000 people in one room, there's people standing in front of each other. In the absence of escape, most likely people would huddle together, particularly families, in order to protect each other.

Regardless, even without the use of Zyklon-B, even without gassing, what makes it ok to round up one group of people and single them out for placement in camps of any sort?

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 2:32:42 PM   
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first off they always kill jews in 1000's ok.  if you read the books they put them in pits in thousands, shoot them in thou in thousands and gas tehm in thousands.  as in 1000.  They do what G-D cant do and burn them in an open pit in 1000ands. 

the human body being 95% water goes up in flames like a california brush fire in august!

You know I have read a lot of aticles but I would ver much like to see the one you are quoting.


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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 2:35:50 PM   
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Politesub, I was actually home after dropping my son off at preschool and was watching Good Morning America. They were showing the World Trade Center Towers after the first plane. The camera was fixed on the buildings the whole time I was watching. At that time, we didnt know why a plane hit. We thought it was some kind of accident. Many of us saw the second plane hit in real time and were stunned as it started to set in that this was an attack. The newscasters were stunned as we all viewed this while it was actually occuring.


have you ever seen how tv works?  You do not see anything live ever!  All you get is a camera on site during a live event.  After that they delay it and you see it when they are damn good and ready to show it to you.

ever see the yellow markers put on the football field?   That didnt happen at the game.  honest.


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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 2:42:02 PM   
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You talk of the human victims of this horror as if they were cattle. You truly are a despicable human being. I hope that one day, you realise how fucked up your opinions were and that you make amends to those that died.
Until then, I kind of wish something bad happens to you... You fuckhead.



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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 2:43:22 PM   
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Now AGAIN I am not saying mean nasty and bad things did not happen.  They certainly did as they do in any war.  That and the farther you get into poland the more you get mingling of evidence conveniently blamed on to the germans.



Not all of the camps were extermination camps. Some were labour camps - some concentration camps - some extermination camps (can think of Treblinka/Belzec/Sobibor) - so of course you will be able to find photos of some internees who were in a half decent state of health.

But you're not posting the countless pictures of mass graves etc.


NG, I think hmm was it 41 or 42 that they had a huge typhus epidemic in the camps and I believe to the tune of 300 were dying per day and I believe that is when they put in the gas facilities for clothes etc.   Can swear to the exact time because I forgot.  Once again, if those people had anything but typhus they would be fat asses.   YOu cant lose that much bulk in a short trip across the occupied territory.  There should be shit loads of fat asses in those pit and ther eare?  ZIPPO!  They are all skin and bones.   When they get typhus the stop eating and starve, and it happened quite often, (even to our side), when they brought in new inmates.  that is they they took them straight to the showers.  They didnt want them anywhere near the rest of the inmates until they could be deloused.  understandably.   Hell they had somewhat similar procedures in grade school when I was a kid.


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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 2:49:44 PM   
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You talk of the human victims of this horror as if they were cattle. You truly are a despicable human being. I hope that one day, you realise how fucked up your opinions were and that you make amends to those that died.
Until then, I kind of wish something bad happens to you... You fuckhead.




You are classified as cattle, didnt you know that?   You are called stock in the ag department here in the US and a vessel in the transportation department.  Quit your whining, it was the jewish banks that set the system up, well unless you ant to claim rothschild n pals arent jewish?

I lost family too.  The different between you and me is that I keep it in perspective and have done shitloads of research while you drank and still drink flouride and listened to nannie annie high school teach lecture out of your (rockyfeller), government approved books.

I wasnt that unfortunate to have someone lead me around by the nose like that.


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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 2:51:21 PM   
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Hell they had somewhat similar procedures in grade school when I was a kid.



You need to go through the procedure again.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 2:53:27 PM   
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22 pages of this shit, I am so proud to have a board recognize such amazingly cogent contributions to intellectual debate.

My Jewish ancestors are probably looking down from above and saying, What rock did this guy crawl out from?

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 2:54:35 PM   
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Besides, they didn't use cyanide. Zyklon B was a much cheaper gas that they'd already manufactured a stockpile of before finding that it was too toxic to be much use for delousing. Finding a use for the stuff could be seen as an efficient use of resources, I'd have thought.


ZB is prussic acid and the gas it gives off is hydrogen "cyanide"


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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 3:06:00 PM   
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lets say for the sake of an argument one pic is wrong eh? 


But what is your point?  I have been following this and you've lost me?

the.dark.



well the grnd feature of the holocaust os the gassing which is where this all started which anyone who looks at this within reason can see on its face is bullshit.

Why would hitler go through all the trouble to gas anyone when all he had to do was march them into the creamatory and shoot them. 

1 right between the eyes, bullets 10 for a penny!

Versus expensive chemicals!

complete foolishness.  Oh and the best of all is burn all that gas transport them all the way from the tip of frnce just to gas them in poland.

There should have been lots of really fat jews in those mass graves unless they can get skinny in a 1-2 day ride to treblenka.

I am sorry but who can be that fucking dumb to buy such horseshit as that?

1 cheap bullet drop them on the spot, let the french deal with it.  One person even went so far as to claim it would have caused a jewish uprising!   I mean I didnt beat them up for it but again any reasonable person can see the foolishness on its face.  You do see dont you?

They would have simply mowed down a jewish uprising.  Its all doubletalk.

Like obahbahhahas address to the union and not one news media jumped on it.

So gassing is out which brings into question the whole story.

why build a concentration camp if the objective is to "extreminate" all jews?  All you would need is a creamatoroium and lots of coke which they have records of the amount of coke from begining to end of the war and there was just enough for heat and cooking!

So the proofs are there but you cant get anyone of these yahoos to look beyond their delusions.




wtf is true?



Perhaps the reason for transporting folks to a secluded location for mass extermination was to keep it quiet? You know, as opposed to giving fuel to fire up the bigger sleeping giants. What do you think the response would have been to mass executions occuring out in the open? How long do you think the rest of the world would have sat back watching that occur? Do you think such a thing might have gotten the US involved a bit sooner?

If you want to be an apologist for the animals that carried out these atrocities, by all means have at it. Perhaps, you will soon offer posthumous defenses of Gacy and Bundy (not to put them in the same league). I usually stay away from the personal comments about posters here, but in your case it is quite obvious that the lights are on, but nobody is home.


Huh?  Because I have the uncanny ability to put well grounded reason to a shit mess of propaganda?    Most of what has been taught is pure bullshit.

In propaganda wars you will get 180 degrees out information to process that will be offered to you and in the end your determinations will be dependent on your ability to process the informationa and if the extent of a persons real life experience and knowledge ends at the TV or they are a keyboard commando they frankly do not stand a snowballs chance in hell of getting to any trusth in life.  ever.  never ever never :)

When I say shot them on the spot I didnt not mean in the town square you know like china does.

Oh wait that was their own people.

You and others can surmise and put yourselves in the commanders seat but unless you have been in a position where you need to manage manpower and resources how can you really relate to the point I am making?  Unlikely you can.  Look at kitten and the other girl its all emotion and drama for them and their reality extends to what they saw on tv.

Thats the wqay propaganda works, especially when you have your country using it against you as your prezzies do every speech they make and I bet not one person here can tell me what I am talking about because it flies kawazabgo right over the fucking heads.

How do I know? they are still arguing leftee rightee as if their "team" is better than the other "team".  LOL  :)


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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 3:07:16 PM   
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first off they always kill jews in 1000's ok.  if you read the books they put them in pits in thousands, shoot them in thou in thousands and gas tehm in thousands.  as in 1000.  They do what G-D cant do and burn them in an open pit in 1000ands. 

the human body being 95% water goes up in flames like a california brush fire in august!

You know I have read a lot of aticles but I would ver much like to see the one you are quoting.


It's more like 75% water, and most of its water content is in the form of complex proteins and carbohydrates, which burn pretty nicely. Have you never seen any footage of a disgruntled buddhist immolating themself?

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 4:00:43 PM   
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first off they always kill jews in 1000's ok.  if you read the books they put them in pits in thousands, shoot them in thou in thousands and gas tehm in thousands.  as in 1000.  They do what G-D cant do and burn them in an open pit in 1000ands. 

the human body being 95% water goes up in flames like a california brush fire in august!

You know I have read a lot of aticles but I would ver much like to see the one you are quoting.



I got some of my information from here. But you totally failed to address this question:

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Regardless, even without the use of Zyklon-B, even without gassing, what makes it ok to round up one group of people and single them out for placement in camps of any sort?

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 4:13:56 PM   
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Dear Heinrich

I write to inform you that we are experiencing problems with the programme and to request from you guidance and proposals on how to proceed.

The thing about shooting unarmed people into pits, whether men, women or especially little children - is that its rather upsetting for the troops, many of whom are not sufficiently educated or aware to comprehend the importance of ridding the territory of "undesirables" to the fulfilment of the national socialist agenda, and thus committed to the programme; indeed we find it is often necessary for officers to enter the pits to finish off those not killed outright, something which occurs more and more often and which can be presumed to be due to unwilling firing squads, firing wide. Despite disciplinary measures, these instances continue to recur and even increase in frequency.

Additionally, its a messy and slow business that ties up far too many of our forces for a poor return in terms of undesirables removed. Although we have found local police forces and some civilian militias keen to assist, it is all in all an unsatisfactory process. What we need is some method of removing the "margin for error" identified above and relieving our forces of both the distressing and inefficient nature of this process, which affects morale throughout.

If you should like to make a tour of our operation then please let me know? I am confident that this would benefit both the troops and your own understanding of our situation with a view to introducing improvements. Please bring a flannel - blood and brains can be most unpleasant next to the skin.

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