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are we talking post 452 picture?

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there is nothing in that picture that can be identified positively as steel blown out, if you mean where the little red line is, it can just as easily be from that perspective the shadow and nuance of the little brown building.

I mean the billowing smoke Ron, the little red lines just show the source.

Further, if the thing is steel blown out that means there is a hole there somewhere, and show me the closeup with distinguishable features,

Ever wonder why all the pics on the net are so blurry?  Tell you what you give me clear pics and I will show you a fuck of lot more than just a hole.

and so smoke is coming from the hole...that is normal physics...

Did I say it was abnormal?  No I did not.

I specifically pointed out the color of the smoke.  Are we going to do a bullshit dance here is that what you want?

(and look, we been over the shit in the picture of the supposed girder that was doughnut shaped from the blast, the outline is too regular to be something that wasnt built that way and it is a perspective shadow or material as far as I can see.)

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(and look, we been over the shit in the picture of the supposed girder that was doughnut shaped from the blast, the outline is too regular to be something that wasnt built that way and it is a perspective shadow or material as far as I can see.)

as far as that last line goes I have no idea what picture you are talking about or what girder.

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Real,

I told you about them corners and Rule as well, I been in them corners, it is nothing but rubber and pvc shielded phone, computer and electrical cable in there. black smoke, poisonous as hell, and burns real hot.

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In truth and honesty I stopped reading when he gave me evidence in the form of a blurry document I couldn't read. I believe he tried a similar tactic on the 911 thread using an 'all telling' grey blob image.

it certainly didnt bother you to accept that a plane went into that same grey blob, since it was a screen shot of polites video about 16 seconds in.  DUH!

This may be off topic but it shows just what a liar you are RealOne. You claim that the shot at 16 seconds is the plane entering the building, not me. The plane enters from a different side before 16 seconds and exits a different side at 21 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI8u-I0GWs4&feature=related

This just shows how you twist peoples words to suit your own purpose. I also note you dont deny much of the crap you spew is found on racist websites either.

Edited to add the link.

now look waht you did!   you went al called someone a liar and made a fool out of yourself.  I took abnother sceenshot just so everyone can see how you pretend and make your case on pure unadulterated bullshit.

BTW it was a preistine clear day on that day.








at least I got it to fit this time LOL

The magical healing hole of 911

the only thing better is where it flies through both sides unscathed.

Hope you feel better now polite one.

Oh and for those who do not know thats after the plane majically disappeared into the steel! 

Its gotta be twu I sawed it on da tv!!!!!

LMFAO

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All mutations occur in an individual and then must spread. Therefore when a mutation occurs in a small population it is already at much higher frequency than it would be in a larger population and is more likely to be expressed in subsequent generations. Anyone who knew anything about genetics would have known that fact and not tried to handwave it away.

As it happens, I have studied biology and genetics and evolution theory and you are plain wrong. You erroneously assume that deleterious mutations are one time events occurring in only one individual. They are not. They occur again and again. The DNA synthesizing proteins are inherently and necessarily error prone. In every human there is a finite chance X that they will make an identical mistake when copying codon Y of gen Z.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
All mutations occur in an individual and then must spread. Therefore when a mutation occurs in a small population it is already at much higher frequency than it would be in a larger population and is more likely to be expressed in subsequent generations. Anyone who knew anything about genetics would have known that fact and not tried to handwave it away.

As it happens, I have studied biology and genetics and evolution theory and you are plain wrong. You erroneously assume that deleterious mutations are one time events occurring in only one individual. They are not. They occur again and again. The DNA synthesizing proteins are inherently and necessarily error prone. In every human there is a finite chance X that they will make an identical mistake when copying codon Y of gen Z.

I quote for an example wikipedia on neurofibromatosis: "The mutant gene is transmitted with an autosomal dominant pattern of inheritance, but up to 50% of NF-1 cases arise due to spontaneous mutation. The incidence of NF-1 is about 1 in 3500 live births".

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
All mutations occur in an individual and then must spread. Therefore when a mutation occurs in a small population it is already at much higher frequency than it would be in a larger population and is more likely to be expressed in subsequent generations. Anyone who knew anything about genetics would have known that fact and not tried to handwave it away.

As it happens, I have studied biology and genetics and evolution theory and you are plain wrong. You erroneously assume that deleterious mutations are one time events occurring in only one individual. They are not. They occur again and again. The DNA synthesizing proteins are inherently and necessarily error prone. In every human there is a finite chance X that they will make an identical mistake when copying codon Y of gen Z.

I quote for an example wikipedia on neurofibromatosis: "The mutant gene is transmitted with an autosomal dominant pattern of inheritance, but up to 50% of NF-1 cases arise due to spontaneous mutation. The incidence of NF-1 is about 1 in 3500 live births".

NF-1 is not caused by a single point mutation but can be caused by a number of different mutations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12403553

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As it happens, I have studied biology and genetics and evolution theory and you are plain wrong.

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there is nothing in that picture that can be identified positively as steel blown out, if you mean where the little red line is, it can just as easily be from that perspective the shadow and nuance of the little brown building.

I mean the billowing smoke Ron, the little red lines just show the source.

Further, if the thing is steel blown out that means there is a hole there somewhere, and show me the closeup with distinguishable features,

Ever wonder why all the pics on the net are so blurry?  Tell you what you give me clear pics and I will show you a fuck of lot more than just a hole.

and so smoke is coming from the hole...that is normal physics...

Did I say it was abnormal?  No I did not.

I specifically pointed out the color of the smoke.  Are we going to do a bullshit dance here is that what you want?

(and look, we been over the shit in the picture of the supposed girder that was doughnut shaped from the blast, the outline is too regular to be something that wasnt built that way and it is a perspective shadow or material as far as I can see.)

as far as that last line goes I have no idea what picture you are talking about or what girder.

The pic I just put up I have never put up before. 

Since that last one is not obvious enough for you lets go to the other side about 3 floors below the impact zone.

Nice exploding cigar.

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what do you mean bullshit dance? what do you mean evade?

The 'doughnut shaped girder' was the one we talked about on the other thread along with supposedly blown up girders that were clearly cut by welders cutting torches.

Still dredging up your 1 win LOL
Would you like me to put it up on a billboard for you ron?


here is the corresponding picture to your 452 from a different perspective. so the line points to a perspective illusion, now; since nobody buys the picture in 452 portraying what you said it did,

nobody?  How many mice you got in your pocket ron?

you ellude the conversation to some floors below and the point being?
http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/6330318.php

So? there is white smoke?

Give me weather conditions in NYC, you can find them easier than I, all the poring over misinterpreted shit you do. Simple stuff, white smoke is good burn and water vapor not much particulate matter. Black smoke is heavy particulate matter and/or unspent fuel. Now we are somewhere between a 1000 and 1360+- feet in the air, there is wind there and vapor.

Wow man water vapor in the fucking air how novel!  When was the last time you watched water vapor on a warm day created by an open fire burning some shit?

When was the last time you watched water vapor with the same density at the source as in the air and how many gallons of water were being burned?

and how was that water being burned

and what was used to burn that water!

How many fires have you seen "Pulling water vapor in from the air" that burns white?

Geezus fuck you will reach for the most ridiculous lame shit I have ever seen....  DUH

Ron there is more water vapor lower and the contents fire is fucking black! 

Where do you come up with this shit?

Fact is a clean burn does not mean it is white, in fact it will be completely transparent as an example you dont see the exhaust from your car because it has a near perfect burn (if fuel injected) fuel to air mixture and you get a complete burn, hence no visible smoke but it will still leave shit loads of carbon deposits.  anyway....

The materials fire had the same amount of air in fact more because the sides were blown out and they burned black. get it?

Just another one of your red herrings.


You can try this at home kids, twist up a piece of toilet paper and light it. it first burns black, and then burns white (expelling some water vapor from the surrounding air it is sucking in to fuel the fire). No surprises, now,

Now thats funny!  a few sheets of shit paper burns with no smoke at all, and you want to claim that ASH turning white is the same thing as white smoke?

WTF is up with that...they had semi loads of shit paper up there and it was burning sucking in vapor n shit? 

how incredibly fucking loony combination of bullshit to try and make a nonpoint red herring. 

What is so strange about some holes from blowouts in a building that was smashed into by a plane (at what G Force? heh heh heh,

So you dont understand the issues before you. 

Ok so as an extreme example to make it perfectly clear to you, if a plane goes in on the 93th floor you would not expect to find a hole in the basement.

I know the answer to that one as well as you R). How does that relate in force to a tornado? Well, even a fucking desk blown out at that speed could have caused that hole (not saying it did mind you) but thermite is not the only possible explanation.

Not at all convincing of anything extraordinary, but stay with one point and one picture and talk it all the way thru.....you give your reasons it is a bomb, and I will give my reasons it is not, jumping around and claiming all sorts of shit unconvincingly is no proof, nor would any right minded person have cause to believe you even if it is true, if you cannot explain each and everything that you say is lie, and refute with evidence and reason any and all disclamations, which you have not done so far.
(edit: forgot the fucking link)