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Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 4:57:36 PM   
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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 5:24:52 PM   
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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 5:36:50 PM   
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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 6:30:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have the right to travel.... but you do not have the right to use roads that were paid for by the government. The American people collectively decided to build roads and we collectively decided that we want people to know how to operate motor vehicles

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 6:44:41 PM   
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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 7:19:32 PM   
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Those same tax-payers chose the government.

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 7:21:35 PM   
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Here in Ohio, I was here for the last part of the expansion of suburbia. The city of Parma did not want I 71 to go through their town. What happened later is a bout true to form. They figured out that they fucked and now all the can do is to lure you to Parma, to their shopping etc., by trick. Funny haha, after a few lawyers got rich, they found some money and now can fine you for maing a U turn in Cleveland if you want to avoid Parma. See they get one side of Brookpark road and Cleveland gets the other. They are the south side and to just get home you have to turn left. To the right there are no driveways that come up soon in which to turn around, which still puts you in Parma. This is clearly and blatantly designed to write tickets, the whole scheme. All this shit happened after they all made a deal, which was for Cleveland Public Power to supply the juice for the Chevy plant, because it was cheaper. CPP resells power it buys usually off the PASNY grid. So this conspir....shut yo mouth.... cooperation has resulted in something way better than a speed trap.

Old timers without a mark on their record get tickets for illegal U turns, or even better, using a public driwevay to avoid a traffic signal device.

Common law has been dismissed. It is over.

The fact is our government has no right to take our rights. But we have this entity which has taken over that does. Whoever they are, they have the power. Does that sound like we've been invaded ? If so GOOD. Get a fucking grip, we have. That is fact. Anything, and I mean anything we do to get rid of them is lawful, regardless of the consequences they may impose.

Get ready for a good fucking fight people, because eventually it will al come to a head. The hammer will come down, but upon whom ?

T

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 7:24:18 PM   
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Here's the problem.

Those same tax-payers chose the government.


The motorist paid his road tax - via the tire tax, and the gas tax- as well as in some cases property tax- and even sale tax it a Walmart is nearby.

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 7:47:56 PM   
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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 9:26:12 PM   
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The fact is our government has no right to take our rights.
T

Yes, they do.  Although driving is a privilege, not a right.  If you rack up DUIs, don't pay your registration or insurance, they'll take your license.  Drive with a suspended license and you'll pay with big money and (often) some time in jail.

Do you have specific rights in mind?

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 9:55:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

The fact is our government has no right to take our rights.
T

Yes, they do.  Although driving is a privilege, not a right.  If you rack up DUIs, don't pay your registration or insurance, they'll take your license.  Drive with a suspended license and you'll pay with big money and (often) some time in jail.

Do you have specific rights in mind?



And the difference between "driving" and "traveling" when both involve someone behind the wheel of a car?

Driving, as you said thorhappy, is a PRIVLEGE, not a right. And a person needs to have a license to show they are aware of how to exercise that privlege. My friend couldn't come here from Germany and drive a car without her German driver's license. If that were the case, what would be there to stop a 14 year old from getting in a car and saying he isn't "driving" he is "traveling."

Personally, I think the guy should have gotten a bunch of tickets. Not having a license, no insurance, improper plates and another one for stupidity. Please, he is going to start his "fee schedule" because he was being detained? He thinks that he has a right to bill the police for pulling him over because he violated the law.


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 10:00:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Here's the problem.

Those same tax-payers chose the government.


The motorist paid his road tax - via the tire tax, and the gas tax- as well as in some cases property tax- and even sale tax it a Walmart is nearby.



I will reiterate, we collectively decided as a society that people should know how to operate their vehicles because they weigh tons and do almost as much damage as a tank if they hit something... especially at high speeds... therefore since we have decided as a society that people need to know WTF they are doing before they get behind the wheel we need to keep an accounting of who is driving...

If you do not want to be accounted for, take the bus, I do.


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 10:05:14 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfbfpz4iYDU


people are getting smart.





The video in your link directly contradicts that assertion.


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 10:29:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Had to get me started didn't ya ?

Here in Ohio, I was here for the last part of the expansion of suburbia. The city of Parma did not want I 71 to go through their town. What happened later is a bout true to form. They figured out that they fucked and now all the can do is to lure you to Parma, to their shopping etc., by trick. Funny haha, after a few lawyers got rich, they found some money and now can fine you for maing a U turn in Cleveland if you want to avoid Parma. See they get one side of Brookpark road and Cleveland gets the other. They are the south side and to just get home you have to turn left. To the right there are no driveways that come up soon in which to turn around, which still puts you in Parma. This is clearly and blatantly designed to write tickets, the whole scheme. All this shit happened after they all made a deal, which was for Cleveland Public Power to supply the juice for the Chevy plant, because it was cheaper. CPP resells power it buys usually off the PASNY grid. So this conspir....shut yo mouth.... cooperation has resulted in something way better than a speed trap.

Old timers without a mark on their record get tickets for illegal U turns, or even better, using a public driwevay to avoid a traffic signal device.

Common law has been dismissed. It is over.

The fact is our government has no right to take our rights. But we have this entity which has taken over that does. Whoever they are, they have the power. Does that sound like we've been invaded ? If so GOOD. Get a fucking grip, we have. That is fact. Anything, and I mean anything we do to get rid of them is lawful, regardless of the consequences they may impose.

Get ready for a good fucking fight people, because eventually it will al come to a head. The hammer will come down, but upon whom ?

T


Hell Term, I'm looking forward to it!

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 10:44:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Common law has been dismissed. It is over.
T


No its just started and in a big way in the courts!

"...at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects...with none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty." CHISHOLM v. GEORGIA (US) 2 Dall 419, 454, 1 L Ed 440, 455 @DALL 1793 pp471-472


of course you know that the constitution stips common law in the 5th and 7th


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 10:49:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

The fact is our government has no right to take our rights.
T

Yes, they do.  Although driving is a privilege, not a right.  If you rack up DUIs, don't pay your registration or insurance, they'll take your license.  Drive with a suspended license and you'll pay with big money and (often) some time in jail.

Do you have specific rights in mind?



And the difference between "driving" and "traveling" when both involve someone behind the wheel of a car?

Driving, as you said thorhappy, is a PRIVLEGE, not a right. And a person needs to have a license to show they are aware of how to exercise that privlege. My friend couldn't come here from Germany and drive a car without her German driver's license. If that were the case, what would be there to stop a 14 year old from getting in a car and saying he isn't "driving" he is "traveling."

Personally, I think the guy should have gotten a bunch of tickets. Not having a license, no insurance, improper plates and another one for stupidity. Please, he is going to start his "fee schedule" because he was being detained? He thinks that he has a right to bill the police for pulling him over because he violated the law.




Thats right driving is privilege, traveling is a right.

Driving, Passengers, Vehicle,  is commercial and a privilege
Travel, Guests, Automobile is NOT and is a Right

Going to jail is a privilege too, you sign your way in LOL

I tried telling people the government is a corporation and hence commercial but no one will listen no matter how much proof is put in their faces.

You certainly can and people certainly do charge the government for infringing on the rights of the unenfranchised people.

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 10:55:34 PM   
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You have the right to travel.... but you do not have the right to use roads that were paid for by the government. The American people collectively decided to build roads and we collectively decided that we want people to know how to operate motor vehicles


If you cannot exercise your right on the public "common way" and you certainly cannot trespass on private property on the side of the public common way how does one exercise their unalienable right to travel?

If you claim the only way is to drive commercially you are infringing on that persons right to travel are you not?

(keep in mind its unlwaful to license a right)

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 11:04:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

You have the right to travel.... but you do not have the right to use roads that were paid for by the government. The American people collectively decided to build roads and we collectively decided that we want people to know how to operate motor vehicles


If you cannot exercise your right on the public "common way" and you certainly cannot trespass on private property on the side of the public common way how does one exercise their unalienable right to travel?

If you claim the only way is to drive commercially you are infringing on that persons right to travel are you not?

(keep in mind its unlwaful to license a right)

.



I do not buy your view of what is lawful and what is not lawful....

Like I said, we as a country decided that we wanted these laws to protect life and limb...

And NO you do not have the right to operate heavy machinery on a public way. Next thing you will be saying is that you have the right to be intoxicated and drive to, if you have the right to use the public way it follows you can be inebriated and use it too, because that would be a right also... which is a bunch of hogwash


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 11:18:51 PM   
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Once again the answer is simple....you have the right to travel on the public roads....if you don't wish to get a driver's license and registration, etc. then you are free to walk, or ride a horse, or use one of those Amish buggies. Nowhere in the constitution do you have the right to travel by car.


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/17/2010 11:47:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

You have the right to travel.... but you do not have the right to use roads that were paid for by the government. The American people collectively decided to build roads and we collectively decided that we want people to know how to operate motor vehicles


If you cannot exercise your right on the public "common way" and you certainly cannot trespass on private property on the side of the public common way how does one exercise their unalienable right to travel?

If you claim the only way is to drive commercially you are infringing on that persons right to travel are you not?

(keep in mind its unlwaful to license a right)

.



I do not buy your view of what is lawful and what is not lawful....

Like I said, we as a country decided that we wanted these laws to protect life and limb...

And NO you do not have the right to operate heavy machinery on a public way. Next thing you will be saying is that you have the right to be intoxicated and drive to, if you have the right to use the public way it follows you can be inebriated and use it too, because that would be a right also... which is a bunch of hogwash




I hate to say it but you do have all those rights.

I know that gives the impression its a free for all total anarchy as in no law but that is not the case what so ever.

you see while you have the right to travel  inebriated you do not have the right to injure another in person or equity which you see covers the damage side of everything you just mentioned.


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