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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/28/2006 7:55:22 AM   
Jasmyn


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My burn out is about being a commodity.

 
MizSuz a few years ago I had a similar experience of burn out from been largely seen as a commodity and ignorant scene/lifestyle judgements about pro dominas and gave up offering professional sessions for some time.  
 
What got me with clientel was not the randoms who spied an advert in the paper or happened across a website and thought woah could give that a go, or passing visitors or tourists looking for a quick thrill or married/partnered clients getting a fetish or discipline need met when opportunity allowed (infact some of my most memorable scenes have been with clients in this demographic), but rather the feeling was most apparent from lifestylers who begged to submit and harped all the platitudes about serving and service and respect for the 'Mistress', and not just any 'Mistress', but me in particular.  Despite their words of endearments were very much of the attitude they were 'buying' my time and if I just happened to not charge them it would somehow be more real. I don't like dishonesty and I find nothing more dishonest than a boy who says he seeks to serve when a more honest request would simply be 'Ma'am may I please book a session with you'.
 
lol then there were the usual hand on it vanillas screeching "what no sex with that? Can't we just fuck?" that drove me nuts..pubs closing time was the worse for 4 am drunken enquires to whether I did out calls.
 
To be fair I think there was more to my burn out than just all things pro and over some time I withdrew from the scene and pretty much kink in general and found a way to ground myself on many levels.   Once I felt centred so to speak I gladly picked up where I left off.  
 
One of the things that occurred to me during my enforced hiatus was the perception professional domination is somehow an oxymoron...which on the surface it can appear that way...but I tend to think it comes down to the perception of those paying and the attitude of those being paid.  For sure if some guy paid me saying I want a,b,c and I gave him a,b,c then I'm not domming him, I'm going through the motions giving him exactly what he wants.  But for a great deal of cliental it is not about 'sessions' or 'scenes' but rather 'mindset' and how well I can get under their skin and make them not just be subservient but feel subservient, a feeling that stays with them for days after, hoping wishing craving to be on their knees for me again. 
 
For some yes they lament its not real if they're paying for it but I had had ongoing relationships with a number of professional clients and still have with some of them today who would never consider seeing me without bringing me some kind of gift or tribute.  Their respect is inherent, not just for the d/s reality they want with me, but that they consider my time to be of value and worthy of reward.  They want to be told when they are required to serve, where and how.  They want to be trained and have their progress measured.  They want to be the favoured one I call when I want a lightbulb changed.  They want to wear my collar. 
 
So I've said it before and I'll say it again, a professional (actually lets state it how it is), a commercial arrangement does not negate a real d/s exchange.
 
Brightspot, no history in the sex industry here..my move to professional services was due to my life at the time been pretty much submersed in all things bdsm & fetish.  I helped begin and ultimately ended up running for three years a bdsm support group in a large city organising play parties, education worksops, munches etc and was ending up taking a lot of time off work to arrange group things, meeting newbies, having people to my home, etc.  The professional domination pretty came about so I could dedicate myself fulltime to bdsm. 
 
Great thread btw :)

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/28/2006 4:12:02 PM   
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How many Pro-Dommes here or maybe even relationship Dommes (not that some can't be both) have a history with
being a Stripper, Erotic Dancer, Escort(sexual), and or have been involved with Pornography in any way such as pictures or film?



ok i have to confess i was a pro domme that was a stripper and into porn in my past life.


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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/28/2006 4:39:55 PM   
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how many ProDommes does it take to change a light bulb?

none, they let someone else pay them for the priviledge to do it for them.


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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/28/2006 5:46:20 PM   
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Okay I take that back ... this was a great thread

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/28/2006 6:52:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Okay I take that back ... this was a great thread


now theres a great sense of humor!


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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/29/2006 1:30:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Okay I take that back ... this was a great thread


It still Is...Michael; BACK IN YOUR CAGE!

Jasmyn; In respect of your imput.
 
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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/29/2006 6:52:24 AM   
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I am not a ProDomme.  However, I was once well-known in the smoking fetish community as LadySmoker and I did a number of pictures and made 2 videos for that community.  My boyfriend at the time is now a professional porn video producer.

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/29/2006 4:04:32 PM   
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Michael, I am so sorry to disappoint you... I neither look like an actress or a model (don't I wish!), I'm a BBW, I'm older, and although I am a phone dominatrix for PEP, I do NOT use my journal for advertising!  or these forums, either.  Like most everyone else here, pro or not, I am here on these forums and on this site to interact with others in this same lifestyle (and, hopefully, find a 24/7 slave). 

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ORIGINAL: michaelGA

let me rephrase:

most of the ProDommes tend to look like models or actresses in that respect. even some that don't originally state they are Pro Dommes that look like that tned to turn out to be ProDommes.

hope that clears it up



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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/29/2006 6:49:55 PM   
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wait...it gets better...more later

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 4:38:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: michaelGA

wait...it gets better...more later


I thought you said you were done with this thread...apparently not.

Michael, why is it that you have such issues with (that's coming across as contempt for) Pro Dommes?  And, from your question about why most of the physically attractive female dominants are professional, it seems that you have issues with the non-Pro's because they don't look like the Dominant of your dreams/fantasies/whatever.  I think that MsSophie and MizSuz explained the obvious reasons.

If you don't like ProDommes, why don't you try something really radical? Take..the...high...road.  Leave them alone.  Ignore them. Don't post to threads where that subject is under discussion and don't insult them when you run across them in other threads. Let go of whatever is causing you to be so negative towards them and get on with your life, man.

Unless negativity is your life. 

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 5:09:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelGA

wait...it gets better...more later


I thought you said you were done with this thread...apparently not.

Michael, why is it that you have such issues with (that's coming across as contempt for) Pro Dommes?  And, from your question about why most of the physically attractive female dominants are professional, it seems that you have issues with the non-Pro's because they don't look like the Dominant of your dreams/fantasies/whatever.  I think that MsSophie and MizSuz explained the obvious reasons.

If you don't like ProDommes, why don't you try something really radical? Take..the...high...road.  Leave them alone.  Ignore them. Don't post to threads where that subject is under discussion and don't insult them when you run across them in other threads. Let go of whatever is causing you to be so negative towards them and get on with your life, man.

Unless negativity is your life. 

Phoenix


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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 8:07:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Michael, I am so sorry to disappoint you... I neither look like an actress or a model (don't I wish!), I'm a BBW, I'm older, and although I am a phone dominatrix for PEP, I do NOT use my journal for advertising!  or these forums, either.  Like most everyone else here, pro or not, I am here on these forums and on this site to interact with others in this same lifestyle (and, hopefully, find a 24/7 slave).
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YEAH PEP & kisses Nancy Ava Miller send her my love.

LadyMorgynn you're beautiful!


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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 8:33:04 AM   
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What got me with clientel was not the randoms who spied an advert in the paper or happened across a website and thought woah could give that a go, or passing visitors or tourists looking for a quick thrill or married/partnered clients getting a fetish or discipline need met when opportunity allowed (infact some of my


Erm.. I dont mean to sound stupid but what is a smoking fetish?
*runs off to google "smoking fetish"*

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 8:40:13 AM   
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and why are the physically attractive ones mostly ProDommes?



Psst. I don't think I'm too hard on the eyes and I'm not a pro michael. On the other hand since your dick isn't detachable you aren't my type. Now I suppose you're going to say the attractive ones that aren't pro are all lesbians. . . LOL

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 8:59:44 AM   
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Ohmigosh, it really is you!!!  I've seen the name here and have been wondering, is that THE Dianna Vesta? :) :)  Long ago I saw a video Nancy gave me of you and, I think, Goddess Glory.  Totally awesome!!!  Unfortunately, that got destroyed during a move in the rain when the movers dropped a couple of boxes in the torrent <sigh>

I'll tell Nancy you said Hi! I adore Nancy!  :)

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta
YEAH PEP & kisses Nancy Ava Miller send her my love.

LadyMorgynn you're beautiful!



oh... and thank you :) :)

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 9:55:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moloch

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What got me with clientel was not the randoms who spied an advert in the paper or happened across a website and thought woah could give that a go, or passing visitors or tourists looking for a quick thrill or married/partnered clients getting a fetish or discipline need met when opportunity allowed (infact some of my


Erm.. I dont mean to sound stupid but what is a smoking fetish?
*runs off to google "smoking fetish"*


Moloch, I think you menat to quote from my post and not Jasmyn's.

The smoking fetish is basically men, turned on by watching women smoke.  I have run across one woman (former editor of Leg Show magazine) who stated she was turned on by watching men smoke.

try:  www.colight.com  and www.smokesigs.com

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 10:10:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AngelaK

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelGA

and why are the physically attractive ones mostly ProDommes?



on the contrary, i have nothing but respect for lesbains and, dispite what other men may believe, i don't think any man could ever even remotely stand a chance of "converting" a lesbian (making them straight, as some men tend to boast)

i'm not that naive. in fact, it's more likely that a lesbian would convert another female into a lesbain than a male to make a lesbian straight.

**brushes off the comments about his opinions about the title subject**

Psst. I don't think I'm too hard on the eyes and I'm not a pro michael. On the other hand since your dick isn't detachable you aren't my type. Now I suppose you're going to say the attractive ones that aren't pro are all lesbians. . . LOL


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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 10:44:17 AM   
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Thanks for the links Phoenix , at first I though "what the hell? thats f##ing weird",  then I remmbered how I got a boner while watching a 1st generation mazda rx-7 with a 13B engine and large turbp putting out 750HP on a dyno, every one had their triggers, I live and learn something new and interesting.

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 4:21:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelGA

wait...it gets better...more later


I thought you said you were done with this thread...apparently not.

Michael, why is it that you have such issues with (that's coming across as contempt for) Pro Dommes?  And, from your question about why most of the physically attractive female dominants are professional, it seems that you have issues with the non-Pro's because they don't look like the Dominant of your dreams/fantasies/whatever.  I think that MsSophie and MizSuz explained the obvious reasons.

If you don't like ProDommes, why don't you try something really radical? Take..the...high...road.  Leave them alone.  Ignore them. Don't post to threads where that subject is under discussion and don't insult them when you run across them in other threads. Let go of whatever is causing you to be so negative towards them and get on with your life, man.

Unless negativity is your life. 

Phoenix


Maybe Michael can tell me why all the attractive subs are Male Bottoms in Gay Porn or sites like tieguyuk.com?

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RE: How Many Pro-Dommes Here... - 3/30/2006 4:26:59 PM   
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i wouldn't know...i'm not gay, never have been gay, never will be gay...not even at gunpoint.

before anyone bashes me for that statement...it's a personal preference and the hardest limit known to man.


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