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SPnEroticaone -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 9:56:12 PM)

Personally I encourage a sub to speak up and question my commands / decisions if she does not understand them. I like feed back and I will listen. I hope you will get a good explanation for that behavior.




NihilusZero -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 9:58:11 PM)

Listen, I'm not insinuating the OP is some mad scientist chick trying to puppeteer us all unto her fold of pity and fluffing.

What I'm saying is that she appears to be engaging in the old process of self-absolution of responsibility by proxy: if she can convincingly show how her ex partner (who's not here to defend himself) may have been a douche, she's a victim rather than a volunteer.

Now, people do this all the time, unknowingly. It's probably as natural a human past-time as demonizing your ex in order to get over them (which is often the next step) or using a rebound to feel better about your former situation. I'm just calling out what she did in the OP. I made a deduction based on that which I balanced with a vague description of how likely it probably was (like if I'm gonna bet on a football game this weekend). And just because the OP engaged (knowingly or not) in an instance of begging the question or not doesn't mean I'm trying to brand her for now and any and all future endeavors.




Lockit -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 9:58:31 PM)

What happens when someone is shocked/stunned by being treated in a way they didn't expect? Sometimes it takes a while to get the flow of understanding what just happened to the point of explaining it and the more you talk, the more comes out. You are confused and believe me... everyone has a weakness of some sort and if confusion in a relationship and mistakes is enough to make someone dishonest... well... fuck... we all have been at some point. So... I will admit I was confused a time or two and taken advantage of... and did that stunned talking and as I talked, more came out. So I guess I am a liar or master manipulator too.

Not...




NihilusZero -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 10:02:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

How is what you are saying above factual, if you do not know with certainy?

I never said her intentional manipulation of the thread was "factual". It was an educated guess based on the information provided by her ("opinions", on the other hand, don't need to have any credibility to exist [e.g. It's my "opinion" that incorporeal purple gnomes inhabit the soles of peoples' shoes]).

Certainty is not a black and white issue, but one of varying degrees of gray. Some grays are just darker than others.




NihilusZero -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 10:03:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

I don't know, nor am I making assumptions, about what she did or didn't do. I was just putting another possibility out there.

I enjoy possibilities. [:)]




NihilusZero -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 10:09:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

So I guess I am a liar or master manipulator too.

Not...

See, that's a non sequitur I'm not making.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

So... I will admit I was confused a time or two and taken advantage of...

What does that mean, really? If you're saying you've been "taken advantage of", don't you have to, by definition, declare the other partner as being a "master manipulator" (the very thing you're complaining about) in order to presume that you were somehow connivingly puppeteered into consenting to something you actually didn't want to consent to but only figured out after the fact?

Or perhaps both people thought they were getting what they wanted consensually only to find out it wasn't the case?




Lockit -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 10:15:59 PM)

Actually yes. When someone lies, one cannot always tell they are lying and one can be fooled without being foolish. Much of the time, we have a role to play in it all... denial, wanting to be loved or something, but not every time.

Anyone can be conned... through fault of their own or none.




NihilusZero -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 10:18:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Actually yes. When someone lies, one cannot always tell they are lying and one can be fooled without being foolish.

That's deception. That's "being lied to". I consider that to be in a much different category than "taken advantage of".

I don't condone or fancy skillful deception at all (or deception of any kind, for that matter).

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Much of the time, we have a role to play in it all... denial, wanting to be loved or something, but not every time.

Not in the case of deception, I would not say. If, however, our partner lays everything out and we, because of other reasons, consent to it when we don't really mean/want to and they happen to take our word at face value and trust it...I would not say the error is theirs once the dam breaks.




chicagoswitch -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 10:23:38 PM)

Wow...this sure has been an interesting read.  I had no idea my opening statement (which I intentionally tried to keep short) could or would be interpreted so many ways.  I have received some wonderful advice from the ladies, Focus, DarkSteven, Huntertn and several others...to you, I say thank you. 
It is late, I am going away for the weekend and I am not taking my laptop.  I see no need to defend myself or my intentions to those who have them in question.  Doing so would only feed the flame more.  I wish all of you a safe and wonderful weekend.





HimNbabygirl -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 10:39:06 PM)

to the OP:

i will answer on your original post keeping in mind that i always believe there are 2 sides to every story.

First off, you never answered the question posed if the paying for the hotel rooms was something that was agreed upon, something that he expected, or something you took upon yourself to do. To be completely honest, the answer to this decides in my mind whether he was/is a user or not.

Secondly you never clarified how the hesitation came about, did you calmly and rationally explain that you didn't think you could afford the cost and would check into it, or did you become defensive and immediately start ranting how he was a blathering idiot? It could even be it was somewhere in the middle and escalated into an argument. i know in my personal dynamic, which is for right now online and phone due to distance and other intermittent factors, if i start an argument, or even if He does, He cuts me off from communication for usually 2 days to give me time to calm down and reflect on what i said, how i said it, and whether or not i meant it. This also gives Him time to reflect on the situation. Could it be the same instance here?

Finally, imho, good communication is the key to any relationship, nilla or kinky. Without good communication, any relationship withers. i know, it sounds like i just contradicted myself, but really i didn't. When in an argument, frequently people say things they don't mean and a cooling off period is sometimes called for. Think of it like putting your child in time out. Sometimes they need it to reflect on what they did, sometimes the parent needs it so they don't over react to the situation.

i hope this helps to put things in perspective.


His baby girl
member of the Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair-a's
10 fluffy points




chicagoswitch -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 10:52:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HimNbabygirl

to the OP:

i will answer on your original post keeping in mind that i always believe there are 2 sides to every story.

First off, you never answered the question posed if the paying for the hotel rooms was something that was agreed upon, something that he expected, or something you took upon yourself to do. To be completely honest, the answer to this decides in my mind whether he was/is a user or not.

I was never agreed upon,or discussed, I just did it and had no issues.  I mentioned it only because that cost, combined with the cost of particular toys, was too much for me at this time.

Secondly you never clarified how the hesitation came about, did you calmly and rationally explain that you didn't think you could afford the cost and would check into it, or did you become defensive and immediately start ranting how he was a blathering idiot? It could even be it was somewhere in the middle and escalated into an argument. i know in my personal dynamic, which is for right now online and phone due to distance and other intermittent factors, if i start an argument, or even if He does, He cuts me off from communication for usually 2 days to give me time to calm down and reflect on what i said, how i said it, and whether or not i meant it. This also gives Him time to reflect on the situation. Could it be the same instance here?

I calmly explained I could not afford it, he said he understood.  Yet he was still very angry, said hurtful things and has not spoken to me since.  I have never seen him like this before, therefore, I cannot presume to know his intentions.

Finally, imho, good communication is the key to any relationship, nilla or kinky. Without good communication, any relationship withers. i know, it sounds like i just contradicted myself, but really i didn't. When in an argument, frequently people say things they don't mean and a cooling off period is sometimes called for. Think of it like putting your child in time out. Sometimes they need it to reflect on what they did, sometimes the parent needs it so they don't over react to the situation.

i hope this helps to put things in perspective.

Thank you for your reply


His baby girl
member of the Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair-a's
10 fluffy points





LafayetteLady -> RE: How would you react? (1/22/2010 11:56:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: chicagoswitch

quote:

ORIGINAL: HimNbabygirl

to the OP:

i will answer on your original post keeping in mind that i always believe there are 2 sides to every story.

First off, you never answered the question posed if the paying for the hotel rooms was something that was agreed upon, something that he expected, or something you took upon yourself to do. To be completely honest, the answer to this decides in my mind whether he was/is a user or not.

I was never agreed upon,or discussed, I just did it and had no issues.  I mentioned it only because that cost, combined with the cost of particular toys, was too much for me at this time.

Secondly you never clarified how the hesitation came about, did you calmly and rationally explain that you didn't think you could afford the cost and would check into it, or did you become defensive and immediately start ranting how he was a blathering idiot? It could even be it was somewhere in the middle and escalated into an argument. i know in my personal dynamic, which is for right now online and phone due to distance and other intermittent factors, if i start an argument, or even if He does, He cuts me off from communication for usually 2 days to give me time to calm down and reflect on what i said, how i said it, and whether or not i meant it. This also gives Him time to reflect on the situation. Could it be the same instance here?

I calmly explained I could not afford it, he said he understood.  Yet he was still very angry, said hurtful things and has not spoken to me since.  I have never seen him like this before, therefore, I cannot presume to know his intentions.

Finally, imho, good communication is the key to any relationship, nilla or kinky. Without good communication, any relationship withers. i know, it sounds like i just contradicted myself, but really i didn't. When in an argument, frequently people say things they don't mean and a cooling off period is sometimes called for. Think of it like putting your child in time out. Sometimes they need it to reflect on what they did, sometimes the parent needs it so they don't over react to the situation.

i hope this helps to put things in perspective.

Thank you for your reply


His baby girl
member of the Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair-a's
10 fluffy points





So essentially, you created an expectation that you would absorb these costs. Not a very good idea to be honest, unless your financial situation would continually allow it. I'm assuming you are a single parent, and rarely do single parents have a great deal of disposable income. But your taking that on gave him the expectation, good or bad. That doesn't make his response to you telling him you can't afford something reasonable on his part though. Do y'all do other things in the relationship besides meeting at motels for play? Such as going to dinner or anything that people in relationships do? Who absorbed those costs?

Really, if all is as you say, his reaction was over the top. You set a precedent for paying for the costs of your play, that is all on you. But when something is unaffordable, it doesn't matter whether it was under 100 dollars or 1000 dollars, the cost for a "luxury" item, such as a toy, it doesn't get purchased.

Again, it all is as you say, I would seriously re-evaluate whether or not you want this relationship to continue. Not because he doesn't pay for anything, but because you would need to wonder what you are supposed to do if say, your kid got sick and the doctor's bills and any medications took up that "disposable" income and he would fly off the handle again.

Being able to meet in motels is nice. Buying toys is great. But you have real life responsibilities and if that is how he reacts, I would seriously consider whether or not he could handle that those responsibilities might have to put "playtime" on the back burner or adjust them in some way.




HimNbabygirl -> RE: How would you react? (1/23/2010 12:52:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chicagoswitch

quote:

ORIGINAL: HimNbabygirl

to the OP:

i will answer on your original post keeping in mind that i always believe there are 2 sides to every story.

First off, you never answered the question posed if the paying for the hotel rooms was something that was agreed upon, something that he expected, or something you took upon yourself to do. To be completely honest, the answer to this decides in my mind whether he was/is a user or not.

I was never agreed upon,or discussed, I just did it and had no issues.  I mentioned it only because that cost, combined with the cost of particular toys, was too much for me at this time.

Secondly you never clarified how the hesitation came about, did you calmly and rationally explain that you didn't think you could afford the cost and would check into it, or did you become defensive and immediately start ranting how he was a blathering idiot? It could even be it was somewhere in the middle and escalated into an argument. i know in my personal dynamic, which is for right now online and phone due to distance and other intermittent factors, if i start an argument, or even if He does, He cuts me off from communication for usually 2 days to give me time to calm down and reflect on what i said, how i said it, and whether or not i meant it. This also gives Him time to reflect on the situation. Could it be the same instance here?

I calmly explained I could not afford it, he said he understood.  Yet he was still very angry, said hurtful things and has not spoken to me since.  I have never seen him like this before, therefore, I cannot presume to know his intentions.

Finally, imho, good communication is the key to any relationship, nilla or kinky. Without good communication, any relationship withers. i know, it sounds like i just contradicted myself, but really i didn't. When in an argument, frequently people say things they don't mean and a cooling off period is sometimes called for. Think of it like putting your child in time out. Sometimes they need it to reflect on what they did, sometimes the parent needs it so they don't over react to the situation.

i hope this helps to put things in perspective.

Thank you for your reply


His baby girl
member of the Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair-a's
10 fluffy points




With You taking it upon yourself to absorb the cost of the motel, i honestly can not say that i see him as a user. i do see it as setting a pattern and expectations though. He may, and i say may because i do not pretend to have the ability to read minds, especially the minds of those i do not know, have thought you were more financially sound that you are though. Did the conversation of finances ever come up between the 2 of you? i know you said you have not talked to him since the incident, but have the 2 of you really talked about anything other than playtime? You may have, and if so i congratulate you, if not, i would advise taking a look at the relationship and see if it really was what you thought it was. As for not hearing from him, it may be something happened to prevent him from contacting you. Maybe he, or even one of his children became ill. Maybe he has put you in a time out and is not ready to let you out. God forbid, maybe he was in an accident. Have you tried to contact him? i pose this question and these possibilities because you don't say how long it has been since you talked to him.

i hope you are able to sort this out.


His baby girl
member of the Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair-a's
10 fluffy points




xxblushesxx -> RE: How would you react? (1/23/2010 5:30:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: chicagoswitch

Wow...this sure has been an interesting read.  I had no idea my opening statement (which I intentionally tried to keep short) could or would be interpreted so many ways.  I have received some wonderful advice from the ladies, Focus, DarkSteven, Huntertn and several others...to you, I say thank you. 
It is late, I am going away for the weekend and I am not taking my laptop.  I see no need to defend myself or my intentions to those who have them in question.  Doing so would only feed the flame more.  I wish all of you a safe and wonderful weekend.




Smart girl!

I had more I was going to add, but, I think I'll just leave it.




xxblushesxx -> RE: How would you react? (1/23/2010 5:39:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HimNbabygirl

to the OP:

i will answer on your original post keeping in mind that i always believe there are 2 sides to every story.

First off, you never answered the question posed if the paying for the hotel rooms was something that was agreed upon, something that he expected, or something you took upon yourself to do. To be completely honest, the answer to this decides in my mind whether he was/is a user or not.

Secondly you never clarified how the hesitation came about, did you calmly and rationally explain that you didn't think you could afford the cost and would check into it, or did you become defensive and immediately start ranting how he was a blathering idiot? It could even be it was somewhere in the middle and escalated into an argument. i know in my personal dynamic, which is for right now online and phone due to distance and other intermittent factors, if i start an argument, or even if He does, He cuts me off from communication for usually 2 days to give me time to calm down and reflect on what i said, how i said it, and whether or not i meant it. This also gives Him time to reflect on the situation. Could it be the same instance here?

Finally, imho, good communication is the key to any relationship, nilla or kinky. Without good communication, any relationship withers. i know, it sounds like i just contradicted myself, but really i didn't. When in an argument, frequently people say things they don't mean and a cooling off period is sometimes called for. Think of it like putting your child in time out. Sometimes they need it to reflect on what they did, sometimes the parent needs it so they don't over react to the situation.

i hope this helps to put things in perspective.


His baby girl
member of the Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair-a's
10 fluffy points



A two day time out? What will he do if/when you move to real life? Give you the silent treatment for two days?
A cooling off period, I can see if that's what you feel is most beneficial to you. This just sounds like punishment to me.
I, personally, would feel manipulated by that, and the dom in question should not be surprised if after two days, he attempted to contact me and I were busy. (talking to other doms! *lol*)
I do agree with you that good communication is the key; but if either one of you are saying things you don't mean during an argument, perhaps you need to look at how you're communicating, rather than moving into an enforced dormancy.
I would expect both dom and sub to have more control over the words they choose whether arguing or not.




afkarr -> RE: How would you react? (1/28/2010 11:05:09 PM)

Seems to me that the whole situation started over money. I have 2 very basic policies regading who pays for what when playing:

1. I'll go dutch on the room. If you're sharing the fun, you should share the expense.

2. I buy "inside" toys; ( because I'm a possessive bitch, and don't let my inside toys out to go run around with other subs or random creatures) he's responsible for "outside" toys, things that go whack should be matched to the users size, arm length, strength, etc, the user needs to pick the ones that feel most comfortable to him.

These 2 simple things will serve to avoid a gret deal of misunderstandings.




Caine999 -> RE: How would you react? (2/10/2010 8:04:37 AM)

I was stunned when I read the original point/question.

I believe that some people lust after the power of being a Dom without understanding what that entails. Being a Dom is about mutual consent & that is earned - not taken. As a Dom I encourage any sub to ask a question. After all if you want a creature that obeys your word without question - Buy a dog! Sure I understand that not everyone will agree with this but for a D that cares for and earns the respect of his/her submissive there is a great reward - that of undying devotion. How can this occur when when you fear a creative mind or a question? Does a question threaten you so much that you possibly seek to punish them? A sub should be cared for - sounds to me like you need to rethink what you are in the relatonship for!

We are all in a stage of constant evolution - we grow, change & learn. You ask if you should punish someone for only doing what is within their nature? For all you know they coud be financially broke! Personally, I think there comes a point when (in all relationships) people grow - you are then faced with two choices. Grow together or grow apart, but wither way growth will occur. Like it or not.




crazyml -> RE: How would you react? (2/10/2010 2:26:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

- Since he's been a deadbeat dom, I suspect he can't afford a pro ;-)




Pro-doms and pro-subs are not prostitutes. Just FYI.



Crikey, sorry for any misunderstanding, I wasn't intending to suggest that at all - the "can't afford a pro" comment was a response to the statement :

quote:


he would go and buy a prostitute or move on to the next girl because you really don't amout to much and the female paycheck is usually a  reflection of this .


I was shortening prostitute, not implying that a pro-domme / pro-sub were the same as a prostitute.

My fault entirely for being lazy.





sleepingbeauty2 -> RE: How would you react? (2/10/2010 7:54:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: chicagoswitch

He wanted me to do something that would require me to buy toys that would probably never be used again.  Cost was a little over $100, I really did not feel I could afford to spend money unwisely.  He said he understood when I told him I could not afford it, but still won't speak to me.



Another passive-aggressive, manipulative tactic.  This guy is not winning any brownie points.


Cali



sounds like a loser.




allthatjaz -> RE: How would you react? (2/11/2010 1:26:30 AM)

What is the point in trying to deeply analyze a post and come up with a whole heap of well thought out other possible alternative scenarios ?

You can't do anything on here except take people at face value. One can sit and twist someone elses story all day long but whats the point? where does it get you? and how insulting to the op. No wonder new members are wary about posting on here...Geez [8|]

To the op
Please don't break your heart over this because the guys a user and if he's not using you he will be busy using someone else. I don't believe you gave him the expectation unless he's an unemployed teenager but I think we are talking about a man here and what man would expect a woman to pay for everything? Once maybe, twice is acceptable but all the time?
I hope you go on to have an amazing experience with someone else who really does know how to treat a woman.

All the best.




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