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LadyEllen -> stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 1:26:13 PM)

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/business_money/obama+bank+plan+hits+barclays+rbs/3512537

interesting timing given the SCOTUS ruling.

not that there will be a chance in hell of curtailing the banks, given that ruling; how much to block it, how much to amend it in Congress I wonder?

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pahunkboy -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 1:37:26 PM)

..the legislation is deeply flawed.   It does not actually restore Glass Steagall.  Such a fee is something like 90 billion $ over 10 years- which barely covers bonuses paid out.


We need to dump the monetary system and return to a credit system.  Anything less is a band aid. 




Moonhead -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:07:40 PM)

I hate to be the one to spring this on you, but Nixon dumped the monetary system back in the '70s.




Jeffff -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:09:47 PM)

I find it funny that the same Financial industry that profited most from the bail out, is stamping it's foot and crying now.


fuckers




Moonhead -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:14:03 PM)

I don't. The cunts have learned that they get rewarded for throwing tantrums over the last twelve months, haven't they?




pahunkboy -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:15:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I hate to be the one to spring this on you, but Nixon dumped the monetary system back in the '70s.



no.

we remain under a monetary system.  Not a credit system.   Nixon closed the gold window- and changed the coins out of silver was done prior.




Sanity -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:16:19 PM)


What I find "funny" is how the very guy who claimed we had to pull out all the stops in order to save the financial industry is now intent on destroying it or driving it overseas.

Check out what Bloomburg had to say:

quote:


Bloomberg Hammers Obama, Congress Over Bank Plan

Mayor Says President's Idea To Limit Size And Investments Will Lead To Big Problems For NYC, Including Layoffs

Hizzoner Suggests Salaries Of D.C. Lawmakers Be Held Back For Decade

NEW YORK (CBS) ―President Barack Obama's demand Thursday that Congress clamp down on the size of banks and their investments got major blowback from New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who said it could cause layoffs and hurt the city.

It's a clash between the president and the mayor. President Obama wants to whittle away at the size of the financial services industry.

"The American people will not be served by a financial system that comprises just a few massive firms," the president said.

But Mayor Bloomberg said the banks and Wall Street are part of the bedrock of the city's economy, and efforts to slash their business just means less tax revenue for the city, which brings up the dreaded "L" word.

"If that's the case then we'll have to lay off people because it will really hurt our industry," Bloomberg said.

The mayor was so upset about the move -- and a suggestion that Wall Street bonuses be put in escrow, which means the money wouldn't be spent here, wouldn't help the city economy -- he responded with a proposal of his own for members of Congress.

"Maybe we should hold back their salaries for a decade or so and see whether the laws they pass work out," Bloomberg said.

Full article at http://wcbstv.com/politics/obama.banks.mayor.2.1441065.html


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I find it funny that the same Financial industry that profited most from the bail out, is stamping it's foot and crying now.


fuckers




pahunkboy -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:22:38 PM)

Did you know if you added up the cost of all the countries gold- is in not even a trillion $?



The recent  supreme court ruling- over corporate speech is good news for goldman sashs.   They funded a good chunk of Obama.

all this outrage from them- is lunacy.   why would they care when they are the ones who create the money?   They make the digits onto a computer which is then money.  

one has to beware- on pending legislation when an industry is against it- because what we see is that often that same industry wrote the laws that they supposedly are against.




Jeffff -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:24:04 PM)

Oh bullshit!..

The tax amounts 15 basis points on the net liabilities of financial institutions that have assets greater than $50 billion and that received capital as part of the TARP or issued debt as part of the Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program, which allowed banks to save hundreds of millions of dollars on interest costs. It would total about $90 billion—$9 billion per year over 10 years. Sean Ryan of Wisco Research in Madison, Wisc., calculated the expected tax hits for several institutions, which he provided to me. The bigger you are, the harder you get hit: Giants JPMorgan Chase and Citi would each pay about $1.5 billion per year, while a merely large bank like US Bancorp would pay about $100 million per year.

An excerpt. from Slate.com  Balance that against profit made POSSIBLE by the federal government
Daniel Gross....... of coure he probably is a New York Jew. He can't be trusted




LookieNoNookie -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:27:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I hate to be the one to spring this on you, but Nixon dumped the monetary system back in the '70s.


Actually, the monetary system is still working, in full force, worldwide (it's that paper stuff in your wallet).

(Perhaps you refer to the Brentwood System and the delinking of gold to the dollar?)




AnimusRex -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:33:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


What I find "funny" is how the very guy who claimed we had to pull out all the stops in order to save the financial industry is now intent on destroying it or driving it overseas.

Check out what Bloomburg had to say:


"destroying" the banks?
Really?
C'mon now! When they demand cardholders pay 35% interest rates, or accountholders pay $40 late fees, that is A-OK. But asking them to trim their 100 Million dollar payouts, and suddenly John Galt starts blubbering.

And Bloomberg? He loves the billion dollar bonuses, because it pulls in tons of cash for his city.

Tons of cash, that is extorted from working people all across America.

Obama once told the banksters- "I am the only one standing between you and the pitchforks."

That fucker with a rusty pitchfork? That was me.




pahunkboy -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 3:40:31 PM)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=gm&sourceid=gmail&q=monetary+vs+credit+system&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=

http://vodpod.com/watch/1831496-larouche-webcast-excerpt-a-monetary-vs-credit-system

simply put- we are feeding a dead system.




Sanity -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 4:13:27 PM)

quote:

Obama Seen as Anti-Business by 77% of U.S. Investors


Jan. 22 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. investors overwhelmingly see President Barack Obama as anti-business and question his ability to manage a financial crisis, according to a Bloomberg survey.


The global quarterly poll of investors and analysts who are Bloomberg subscribers finds that 77 percent of U.S. respondents believe Obama is too anti-business and four-out-of-five are only somewhat confident or not confident of his ability to handle a financial emergency.


The poll also finds a decline in Obama’s overall favorability rating one year after taking office. He is viewed favorably by 27 percent of U.S. investors. In an October poll, 32 percent in the U.S. held a positive impression.


“Investors no longer feel they can trust their instincts to take risks,” said poll respondent David Young, a managing director for a broker dealer in New York. Young cited Obama’s efforts to trim bonuses and earnings, make health care his top priority over jobs and plans to tax “the rich or advantaged.”


Carlos Vadillo, a fixed-income analyst at Wells Fargo Securities LLC in San Francisco, said Obama has been in a “constant war” with the banking system, using “fat-cat bankers and other misnomers to describe a business model which supports a large portion of America.”

Full article at http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20100121/pl_bloomberg/a8uii1bcrdmy




DarkSteven -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 5:36:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


What I find "funny" is how the very guy who claimed we had to pull out all the stops in order to save the financial industry is now intent on destroying it or driving it overseas.

Check out what Bloomburg had to say:


"destroying" the banks?
Really?
C'mon now! When they demand cardholders pay 35% interest rates, or accountholders pay $40 late fees, that is A-OK. But asking them to trim their 100 Million dollar payouts, and suddenly John Galt starts blubbering.

And Bloomberg? He loves the billion dollar bonuses, because it pulls in tons of cash for his city.

Tons of cash, that is extorted from working people all across America.

Obama once told the banksters- "I am the only one standing between you and the pitchforks."

That fucker with a rusty pitchfork? That was me.


I'm with ya, AR.

The banks have acted in such a way as to almost destroy the entire economy.  They lied about risks, created fictional monetary vehicles, and are whining that they can't keep their top talent (who defrauded the system) without million dollar bonuses.

Note that they are so enamored with chasing big bucks (at risks underwritten by the taxpayers) that they can't be bothered to lend money again.

I'd be happy if the lot of them went down.




pahunkboy -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 5:58:53 PM)

there is a huge wave of mortgage resets starting now.    If I see the chart I will post it.




AnimusRex -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 6:14:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

font="times new roman"]Obama Seen as Anti-Business by 77% of U.S. Investors


Jan. 22 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. investors overwhelmingly see President Barack Obama as anti-business and question his ability to manage a financial crisis, according to a Bloomberg survey.



Shorter conservatives: Obama is a bastard for bailing out the banks! Also, he is an enemy of banks!

He should have let the banks and overall economy fail; then he would be seen as pro-business by investors, and competent to handle a financial emergency.

Yes, this makes sense in Bizarro World.




Kirata -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 9:00:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex
quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Obama Seen as Anti-Business by 77% of U.S. Investors

Shorter conservatives: Obama is a bastard for bailing out the banks! Also, he is an enemy of banks!


Am I misunderstanding you, or do you imagine that pretty much only "conservatives" invest in the market?

K.




rulemylife -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 9:55:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

quote:

Obama Seen as Anti-Business by 77% of U.S. Investors


Jan. 22 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. investors overwhelmingly see President Barack Obama as anti-business and question his ability to manage a financial crisis, according to a Bloomberg survey.


The global quarterly poll of investors and analysts who are Bloomberg subscribers finds that 77 percent of U.S. respondents believe Obama is too anti-business and four-out-of-five are only somewhat confident or not confident of his ability to handle a financial emergency.


The poll also finds a decline in Obama’s overall favorability rating one year after taking office. He is viewed favorably by 27 percent of U.S. investors. In an October poll, 32 percent in the U.S. held a positive impression.


“Investors no longer feel they can trust their instincts to take risks,” said poll respondent David Young, a managing director for a broker dealer in New York. Young cited Obama’s efforts to trim bonuses and earnings, make health care his top priority over jobs and plans to tax “the rich or advantaged.”


Carlos Vadillo, a fixed-income analyst at Wells Fargo Securities LLC in San Francisco, said Obama has been in a “constant war” with the banking system, using “fat-cat bankers and other misnomers to describe a business model which supports a large portion of America.”


Full article at http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20100121/pl_bloomberg/a8uii1bcrdmy



Now is this the same Wells-Fargo that was a major culprit in the sub-prime crisis and took a huge government bailout or is this a different Wells-Fargo?




rulemylife -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 10:05:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


What I find "funny" is how the very guy who claimed we had to pull out all the stops in order to save the financial industry is now intent on destroying it or driving it overseas.

Check out what Bloomburg had to say:

Bloomberg Hammers Obama, Congress Over Bank Plan



I find two things funny.  First, that you are quoting a man who made his money in the financial sector and presenting him as unbiased toward Wall Street and the banking industry.

The second is that conservatives seem to have developed some sort of unexplained amnesia, forgetting that TARP was the Bush administration's plan.







willbeurdaddy -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 10:25:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

TARP was the Bush administration's plan.






No, it wasnt, and repeating the same lie endlessly doesnt make it true.




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