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SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 5:04:45 PM)
The official number was 8,999,999 but there is a big bone of contention as to if it was just one witch that had used an invincibility potion. Edit: opps too many digits[:D]

MrRodgers -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 5:24:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The above shows a complete misunderstanding of what money is. See any economics text. Oh, I'm sorry, I read money mechanics put out by the federal reserve, chicago branch. Thanks! quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery No problem. You'll learn. [A Fish Called Wanda: Otto: Don't call me an ape! Apes don't read philosophy! Wanda: Yes they do, Otto--they just don't understand it!] I already know not to listen to you or anyone else that claims the federal reserve does not understand their own system. The posts some of you people make are nothing short of shocking to the uninformed side. OK, I am game, just how does the 'federal reserve' system work ?

InvisibleBlack -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 5:30:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers OK, I am game, just how does the 'federal reserve' system work ? Oh, you just had to ask, didn't you?

MrRodgers -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 6:00:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UncleNasty quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne The posts some of you people make are nothing short of shocking to the uninformed side. Those of us on the informed side are a little shocked by your uninformed side's posts as well. Ron I cant speak for others but you are batting a grand zero against me so far, unless you believe smart remarks and quips count for facts. If you want to jump on his bandwagon with a claim the federal reserve does not understand money then its to your own demise. That is what money mechanics is about. LMFAO I have never asserted that the federal reserve doesn't understand money. I do however take exception to your caterwauling that the IOU financial instruments are unconstititional. Simply not the case. Article one section six. Ron At best I'm a mere constitutional student. Nowhere near being a scholar of such. So I read the article and section highlighted in your post above. I must admit to being quite confused as to how that section relates to financial instruments in any way. Uncle Nasty You've got it nasty. Art. 1 Sect. 6 has nothing whatever to do with the unconstitutional existence of something called a 'federal reserve bank.' In fact it's usurpation of the power of the currency (or securities) is in direct violation of Art. 1 Sect. 8: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; Also to provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities (currency) and current Coin of the United States. BTW kinkroids, the so-called 'federal reserve bank' has been an abysmal failure for society and an immoral blandishment of wealth upon the rich and powerful banking families. It was created to prevent speculation from distorting prices (bubble periods of inflation) and has allowed several speculative commodities and paper bubbles to inflate and burst and approx. 1200% inflation since its creation. The federal reserve bank is 20% owned by the federal govt. and 80% privately owned by the banking families (Warburg, Rothchild, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, DuPont, etc.) and their interests descendants, that created it off shore under false name and rammed through congress with the aid of a career banker who then went to work for the bankers. The federal reserve banks charges us interest (overnight bank rate ?) on every dollar. Estimates from years ago has it 'earning' $34 million/AN HOUR. The fed just a week or so ago, paid the US treasury $46billion+ as portion of its profits. That kinkroids adds up to approx. $230 billion in profits IN ONE YEAR. Kinkroids, when are you going to open your eyes and understand and learn. ALL of our founding fathers (save Alex Hamilton...sleazy thief that he was) up to and inlcuding as late as A. Lincoln were against the corporation and any central bank. Read your history on T. Jefferson and the first US bank and then Andrew Jackson and his battles to kill the second US bank.

heartcream -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 6:12:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: heartcream There is disparity on the actual numbers so called witches were killed. It may be more or less from what I have studied. It doesnt change the fundamental aspect of the deed being so wrong no matter how many folks suffered here. There is no way to prove how many and if you go into some depth researching that is what you will find. The fact that the numbers may vary according to where you go to read such things doesnt change the essence of it. I actually think a degree of accuracy does matter. A claim of nine million deaths is sensationalist and takes away from the validity of your posts. By that I mean if you get the figures so wildly wrong, what else do you get wrong, if you see what I mean. From what I have read the figure varies between 40,000 and 100,000. I doubt getting the numbers wrong takes away the validity of what happened in the name of witch burning. If it does to you, well, that is you. Do more research and you will find all sorts of numbers and debates available. The most relevant thing being (besides the fact that this happened at all which cannot be fluffed away because the numbers of people murdered may be more or less; in my mind even one is too many) that no one can prove it one way or the other. Some say 9 million, others say a whole bunch less than that. They dont know for sure.

InvisibleBlack -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 6:14:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The federal reserve bank is 20% owned by the federal govt. and 80% privately owned by the banking families (Warburg, Rothchild, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, DuPont, etc.) and their interests descendants... Can you provide some supporting evidence for this? I'd like to see a breakdown of the ownership of the Fed. Thanks.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 6:15:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The federal reserve bank is 20% owned by the federal govt. and 80% privately owned by the banking families (Warburg, Rothchild, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, DuPont, etc.) and their interests descendants... Can you provide some supporting evidence for this? I'd like to see a breakdown of the ownership of the Fed. Thanks. ROFL that should be interesting.

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 6:24:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: UncleNasty At best I'm a mere constitutional student. Nowhere near being a scholar of such. So I read the article and section highlighted in your post above. I must admit to being quite confused as to how that section relates to financial instruments in any way. Uncle Nasty You've got it nasty. Art. 1 Sect. 6 has nothing whatever to do with the unconstitutional existence of something called a 'federal reserve bank.' In fact it's usurpation of the power of the currency (or securities) is in direct violation of Art. 1 Sect. 8: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; Also to provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities (currency) and current Coin of the United States. BTW kinkroids, the so-called 'federal reserve bank' has been an abysmal failure for society and an immoral blandishment of wealth upon the rich and powerful banking families. It was created to prevent speculation from distorting prices (bubble periods of inflation) and has allowed several speculative commodities and paper bubbles to inflate and burst and approx. 1200% inflation since its creation. The federal reserve bank is 20% owned by the federal govt. and 80% privately owned by the banking families (Warburg, Rothchild, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, DuPont, etc.) and their interests descendants, that created it off shore under false name and rammed through congress with the aid of a career banker who then went to work for the bankers. The federal reserve banks charges us interest (overnight bank rate ?) on every dollar. Estimates from years ago has it 'earning' $34 million/AN HOUR. The fed just a week or so ago, paid the US treasury $46billion+ as portion of its profits. That kinkroids adds up to approx. $230 billion in profits IN ONE YEAR. Kinkroids, when are you going to open your eyes and understand and learn. ALL of our founding fathers (save Alex Hamilton...sleazy thief that he was) up to and inlcuding as late as A. Lincoln were against the corporation and any central bank. Read your history on T. Jefferson and the first US bank and then Andrew Jackson and his battles to kill the second US bank. well there are a few different aspects to it. first lets take the case and I can see you already are well informed on the matter, where the debt can never be paid! ok so we got 100 banksters and 100 borrowers in the world. thats it no more LOL the 100 banksters lend each person 1 dollar bill at 10% interest. Now its time to pay that dollar bill back and everyone is standing at the counter with thatir dollar bill and cannot pay the interest UNLESS what happens? more money is "created". No one has that extra 10% because it does not exist yet. So now we need ot create more dollar bills because they need to pay the interest off. we cant give them a cow or sack of grain. the problem with this is.... as soon as you have 200 dollars in circulation the dollar that you have is only worth 50% of its original value. So the harder you try to get out of debt and the harder you work for more frns the less your money is worth! lets start there :) So they came up with this great idea called fractional banking. again we skip all the rules that go along with it but the basis is the same. if yo uput 1 dollar in the bank and take it out 100 times in 1 day how much money do you have and how much does the bank have? At the end of the day you walk away with a dollar the bank after hypothecation has 9,999.00 dollars to thie credit just from what you did with one lousy dollar. which of course is loaned out at no profit to you and in fact they charge you for interest on that loan!. money is loaned into existance.

thornhappy -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 7:26:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy It is so safe that no one here cashed in on the 20k reward for the study. hahahaha. now all those adjustvants are mooshing around you and could unleash of fury of bad ailments. But hey- you believed that the sky was falling. hahahaha As it's been pointed out to you (repeatedly), there were no adjuvants in the vaccine, and that study was so poorly designed that no one could've won.

MzMia -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 7:30:46 PM)
Real0ne, I am glad you have found people to play with you, I mean listen to your theories. Folks I will tell you this, Real0ne is very serious about what he talks about, and he can talk about it forever. He is a nice man, I told him I don't "get it", so I can't play. Real0ne, if you have time write me a note to send to the IRS to see if I can get out of paying taxes. Have fun playing sweeties.

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 8:15:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia Real0ne, I am glad you have found people to play with you, I mean listen to your theories. Folks I will tell you this, Real0ne is very serious about what he talks about, and he can talk about it forever. He is a nice man, I told him I don't "get it", so I can't play. Real0ne, if you have time write me a note to send to the IRS to see if I can get out of paying taxes. Have fun playing sweeties. If it was only about theories.... Is not.... I think I will start a thread with a history link that lends itself closer to my version of history which is not what is taught in schools but by reading mounds of books et al I mean I couldnt dream much of what I talk about up if I tried because my imagination simply is not that creative. Its not as simple as sending a note to the irs and its a battle all the way and you have to be prepared to go to court over every damn thing simply because that is the way they do business. If its ever to a point its cookie cutter then yeh but I doubt they will ever allow it to be that simple because its all based in fraud.

Musicmystery -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 8:19:14 PM)
quote: The so called witch trials were another example of people who failed to accept the status quo Wait a second. Are you equating bucking the status quo with conspiracy theories? Because we're right back to the proof issue. Thinking up wild possibilities and seriously challenging paradigms are worlds apart.

MzMia -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 8:26:53 PM)
Real0ne, I have to work, who has time to spend their life fighting the IRS so they won't have to pay taxes?

MrRodgers -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 9:21:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The federal reserve bank is 20% owned by the federal govt. and 80% privately owned by the banking families (Warburg, Rothchild, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, DuPont, etc.) and their interests descendants... Can you provide some supporting evidence for this? I'd like to see a breakdown of the ownership of the Fed. Thanks. As far as the original banking families goes, history recorded the formation of the fed and who wrote the charter offshore but can't find it right now. It did include their names and the Rockefeller was Frederick...FDR's uncle. they were a banking family. Wiki has this on the fed. Who owns these 12 banks (private stock bank companies or wht ?) and where does all of that profit go ? Why haven't we and why are we not permitted to see and audit the feds books ? The Federal Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Federal Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Federal Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the system. The stock may not be sold or traded or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, limited to 6 percent per year. That's curious, I just read in the WashPost and heard on TV that the fed just paid the Treasury $46.1 billion in profit. Where did the rest go ?

vincentML -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 9:29:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heartcream quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyWood Between 1450 and 1750, about 40,000 people were put to death for witchcraft. Over 50% of all people accused of witchery were acquitted. 25% of those accused were male. Can you qualify your figure of 9 million women? Well I read the number before in a book I own and with a quick google came up with it more than once again. I dont really care if you agree, or even if the number is off by however many. Point is folks who should not have died were murdered and those who did the murdering and finger-pointing were reptiles in human skin. Sorry heartcream, it just seems like a load of bullshit to be debating about what happened to witches so long ago when in more recent history there have been far greater atrocities that dwarf those about which you are concerned. I refer to the Black slavery holocaust, the slaughter of the indigenous people of the Americas, Stalin's murder of millions in the USSR, Mao's atrocities in China, the killings in Cambodia, Rwanda, East Timor, the Japanese in Mongolia, China, and SE Asia, and of course the German camps and ovens. I refer also to the atrocity of poverty, lack of protein, clean drinking water, warmth and shelter, and ready medical assistance amongst the non-white peoples of the southern hemisphere; in the cities and rural districts of the USA right now, today! With all of the horror of recent memory and that still on our doorstep, you choose unjustly murdered witches to be your cause? Something about which you can no longer do anything? Seems to be a misdirected waste of the talent of an intelligent and compasionate young woman. Is the modern horror more than you can endure and so you turn away? Or are you unaware?

InvisibleBlack -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 9:36:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The federal reserve bank is 20% owned by the federal govt. and 80% privately owned by the banking families (Warburg, Rothchild, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, DuPont, etc.) and their interests descendants... Can you provide some supporting evidence for this? I'd like to see a breakdown of the ownership of the Fed. Thanks. As far as the original banking families goes, history recorded the formation of the fed and who wrote the charter offshore but can't find it right now. It did include their names and the Rockefeller was Frederick...FDR's uncle. they were a banking family. Wiki has this on the fed. Who owns these 12 banks (private stock bank companies or wht ?) and where does all of that profit go ? Why haven't we and why are we not permitted to see and audit the feds books ? The Federal Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Federal Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Federal Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the system. The stock may not be sold or traded or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, limited to 6 percent per year. That's curious, I just read in the WashPost and heard on TV that the fed just paid the Treasury $46.1 billion in profit. Where did the rest go ? You really read your Wiki articles selectively. From the Wikipedia entry on the Federal Reserve System: quote: The Federal Reserve System is an independent government institution that has private aspects. The System is not a private organization and does not operate for the purpose of making a profit. The stocks of the regional federal reserve banks are owned by the banks operating within that region and which are part of the system. quote: The twelve Federal Reserve banks provide the financial means to operate the Federal Reserve System. Each reserve bank is organized much like a private corporation so that it can provide the necessary revenue to cover operational expenses and implement the demands of the board. Member banks are privately owned banks that must buy a certain amount of stock in the Reserve Bank within its region to be a member of the Federal Reserve System. So ... the 12 regional Federal Reserve banks are owned by the something like 3,400 individual banks in the United States who must be members of the Fed. Assuming this is correct, than a large number of publically traded corporations (i.e. banks) each own a small piece of the Fed. quote: This stock "may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan" and all member banks receive a 6% annual dividend. No stock in any Federal Reserve Bank has ever been sold to the public, to foreigners, or to any non-bank U.S. firm. As for the "profit" and "where does it go"? quote: The dividends paid by the Federal Reserve Banks to member banks are considered partial compensation for the lack of interest paid on the required reserves. All profit after expenses is returned to the U.S. Treasury or contributed to the surplus capital of the Federal Reserve Banks (and since shares in ownership of the Federal Reserve Banks are redeemable only at par, the nominal "owners" do not benefit from this surplus capital); the Federal Reserve system contributed over $31.7 billion to the Treasury in 2008. So the Fed pays a 6% dividend to all the members banks and whatever money is left over is given to the Treasury. I agree with you that the Fed should be audited regularly to make certain that it's actually operating the way it claims it's operating - but it's not some big dark mystery - unless you think it's all a complete tissue of lies and there's some secret panel of rich scions of old money who are really running the Fed and getting all of its money.

Musicmystery -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/26/2010 9:41:12 PM)
quote: it's not some big dark mystery - unless you think it's all a complete tissue of lies and there's some secret panel of rich scions of old money who are really running the Fed and getting all of its money. Don't give them ideas...they come up with plenty of nonsense on their own! [;)]

heartcream -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/27/2010 9:48:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Sorry heartcream, it just seems like a load of bullshit to be debating about what happened to witches so long ago when in more recent history there have been far greater atrocities that dwarf those about which you are concerned. I refer to the Black slavery holocaust, the slaughter of the indigenous people of the Americas, Stalin's murder of millions in the USSR, Mao's atrocities in China, the killings in Cambodia, Rwanda, East Timor, the Japanese in Mongolia, China, and SE Asia, and of course the German camps and ovens. I refer also to the atrocity of poverty, lack of protein, clean drinking water, warmth and shelter, and ready medical assistance amongst the non-white peoples of the southern hemisphere; in the cities and rural districts of the USA right now, today! With all of the horror of recent memory and that still on our doorstep, you choose unjustly murdered witches to be your cause? Something about which you can no longer do anything? Seems to be a misdirected waste of the talent of an intelligent and compasionate young woman. Is the modern horror more than you can endure and so you turn away? Or are you unaware? Are you freaking serious??? How do you get that by mentioning the freaking atrocities of days gone by, in one area (atrocities freaking abound in history and the present this is one area of toxic hateful bullshit crap) that in any way disputes the freaking horrors that have gone on since and now? How do you make that conclusion? My head is shaking in disbelief. Some of you people, honestly. I didnt come in here trouncing witch killings as a freaking cause. Someone mentioned it and I thought in a derogatory way and said something about it. I cannot understand why you think this in anyway negates all the massive amounts of horrors going on in the world now, and then. None of it dwarfs any of it. One evil and wrong thing done is wrong and evil, any where any time. None of it dwarfs any of it, it is all bad, it all sucks, it is all wrong, I would love to see justice done to each and every wrong done. I am well aware of the gross misconduct of some of the monsters wandering our planet doing unspeakable things to two-legged flowers on our Earth. There is shite going on hat not even you know about. I dont get your point at all. I turn away? You think modern horror any freaking different than any horror? What the feck you talkin about boy?

Musicmystery -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/27/2010 10:00:16 AM)
I think primarily he's talking about coming into the discussion with a preconceived point you were determined to make and repeat and defend whether it fit into the conversation or not. Like a few others, you're in your own little posting world, unable to ascertain the main points around you, seeing all occurrences through the lens of your selective outrage. Hence, you mistakenly jumped in to attack a position that actually essentially agreed with you, except that you're pre-programmed for the counterattack. Unable to see this and without the character to admit an error, you've been fanning your own flames ever since. Test this for yourself. Drop it, and you'll find it's instantly dropped, as no one's making an issue of this but you. Oh, wait, I forgot. That would constitute proof, and on this thread, proof is bad. I'll keep working on it. I'm still used to reconciling ideas to reality. It's a hard habit to break.

heartcream -> RE: Conspiracy theories ? (1/27/2010 10:02:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Sorry heartcream, it just seems like a load of bullshit to be debating about what happened to witches so long ago when in more recent history there have been far greater atrocities that dwarf those about which you are concerned. I refer to the Black slavery holocaust, the slaughter of the indigenous people of the Americas, Stalin's murder of millions in the USSR, Mao's atrocities in China, the killings in Cambodia, Rwanda, East Timor, the Japanese in Mongolia, China, and SE Asia, and of course the German camps and ovens. I refer also to the atrocity of poverty, lack of protein, clean drinking water, warmth and shelter, and ready medical assistance amongst the non-white peoples of the southern hemisphere; in the cities and rural districts of the USA right now, today! With all of the horror of recent memory and that still on our doorstep, you choose unjustly murdered witches to be your cause? Something about which you can no longer do anything? Seems to be a misdirected waste of the talent of an intelligent and compasionate young woman. Is the modern horror more than you can endure and so you turn away? Or are you unaware? Are you freaking serious??? How do you get that by mentioning the freaking atrocities of days gone by, in one area (atrocities freaking abound in history and the present this is one area of toxic hateful bullshit crap) that in any way disputes the freaking horrors that have gone on since and now? How do you make that conclusion? My head is shaking in disbelief. Some of you people, honestly. I didnt come in here trouncing witch killings as a freaking cause. Someone mentioned it and I thought in a derogatory way and said something about it. I cannot understand why you think this in anyway negates all the massive amounts of horrors going on in the world now, and then. None of it dwarfs any of it. One evil and wrong thing done is wrong and evil, any where any time. None of it dwarfs any of it, it is all bad, it all sucks, it is all wrong, I would love to see justice done to each and every wrong done. I am well aware of the gross misconduct of some of the monsters wandering our planet doing unspeakable things to two-legged flowers on our Earth. There is shite going on that not even you know about. I dont get your point at all. I turn away? You think modern horror any freaking different than any horror? Something about which you can no longer do anything? What the feck you talkin about boy? As long as the past is in the present it is still relevant, it is not only the past then. Why do you say there is nothing that can be done now? Awareness, forgiveness, understanding all sorts of things can still be done. Recognizing that this same sort of hateful intent is around for people, as then, who dont fit into the demanding masses demands for a certain presentation, to behave a certain way, to believe in certain things. As I said earlier thank the lord they can no longer act out like they used to (in our part of the world like they used to) and kill a person for delivering a baby or knowing the healing properties of say Rue, but the hatred and push toward a big glom of obedience is out here. Look a certain way, act a certain way... What they are doing in the Congo etc is no freaking different is it? Here we are in 2010 and women with clits coming out over their labia are hunted down, and gang fucked, killed and then freaking eaten maing.

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