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osf -> do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 3:23:49 PM)

do you think obedience is conditional and if so under what circumstances?



dragonseeker -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 3:46:11 PM)

Very good question! As much as i would love to say "of course obedience should be absolute" i would have to say that in reality i guess obedience would be conditional. Personally consider my obedience to my Sire to be absolute, but i am also quite sure that he would never ask me to do things like kill someone, jump off a bridge, break the law, etc. If he did request that of me the i would be forced not to comply. 



camille65 -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 3:48:48 PM)

Technically, yes. For the most part, no.

Yes because my obedience is part of my belonging to him and that is conditional in several different aspects. It depends upon my continuing to be his (that condition is set by him) and my trust that he won't tell me to walk off a cliff (which would end dramatically any further obedience from me) as well as depending on things between those two extremes.

No because while I belong to him I am obedient to him.



slaveluci -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 5:03:19 PM)

Yes it is conditional. We established that from day one. I am not a moron and I'm not going to do anything to harm myself whether He instructs me to or not. He never would, of course, or I wouldn't have entered this relationship to start with. Also, if He ever becomes mentally unstable and that fact is obvious to me, I can tell you now I won't be obeying any old thing He says. My obedience is "conditional" in that.... as long as we both remain true to what our original agreement was and I can rest assured He would never harm me or make me less than what I was when we met.....it will continue forever without question[:)]

luci



littlewonder -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 5:04:25 PM)

For some people it is.

My only condition for obedience is that I only obey Him because he's who I chose as a partner and those he wishes me to obey. Other than that..nope, not conditional.

I simply obey.



DesFIP -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 6:31:52 PM)

It is supposed to be conditional. He is fully aware that he is not perfect and will make mistakes. I'm not supposed to compound them by obeying blindly even, or especially, when I know something bad will happen as a result. I'm supposed to have his back which means refusing, and making however much noise I have to, until he pays attention to the problem.



PrincessDonna -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 6:52:28 PM)

As a Domme I have to make conditions such as there must always be honest communication,Ive dismissed them for lack of.



HisEvelyn -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 6:54:50 PM)

Definitely conditional.  As long as the order my Master gives is reasonable, I will obey.  Reasonable does not always mean I like it, but that it makes sense.

However, if he tells me to do something that would somehow damage me or create a really unreasonable situation?  I know he counts on me to give him my opinion and feelings on the situation, so he can reassess it.



lucylucy -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 8:40:52 PM)

Hell yeah, it's conditional. I obey on the condition that my boyfriend is the one telling me what to do. (And I cleverly picked a boyfriend who is not insane and has good judgment.)



AquaticSub -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 8:52:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: osf

do you think obedience is conditional and if so under what circumstances?


It's conditional in that...

if he orders me to shoot my Mom I will disobey.

if he ordered me to go buy him crack I would disobey.

if he ordered me to plant explosives in high schools I would disobey.

Of course... he expects me to refuse to obey those commands unless I were certain of extreme circumstances that required them. In fact, if I were willing to do the above things at the drop of a hat, he wouldn't want me.

More realistically, my obedience is conditional on us continuing to have a happy, healthy and loving relationship. He has no interest in owning a woman who doesn't love him and I have no interest in serving a man who doesn't love me. So, really... his dominance is conditional as well.



juliaoceania -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 10:22:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

do you think obedience is conditional and if so under what circumstances?


Obedience is granted under the condition that I remain undamaged by it in the context of a D/s relationship. If I believe it will damage me, I will no longer be obedient. And what I have found in this life is I am the best person in the world to determine what is damaging to me, because I feel as though I am completely in touch with myself these days... and anyone who would try to foster the belief that they were better able to determine what is good for me than I am, well I would question that person's judgment in general.



littlebitxxx -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/24/2010 11:40:11 PM)

Standard "opinion only" disclaimers apply.

Obedience itself is unconditional, only the circumstances change.  If the latest command/demand/request (ie, step in front of a moving bus) goes against the original command outlined (ie, protect Master's property) then not obeying is not disobedience.

If you throw a stick for your dog, having taught him to fetch "no matter what" (in water, through trees, etc) and it goes across the street, he will start after it.  If he doesn't see the bus coming, he'll get hit.  If he does see the bus coming, he'll stop and probably turn to look at you for direction.  If you wave your arm telling him to "fetch anyway", chances are he'll sit and look at you like you have three heads, waiting for you to realize the danger you put him in.  Is that disobedience? 



Focus50 -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/25/2010 2:30:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: osf

do you think obedience is conditional and if so under what circumstances?

Of course it is; I'm not interested, let alone inspired, in dominating a nodding drone.

I equate obedience to respect; if she were consistently disobedient, it's telling me she doesn't respect my authority over her and she doesn't wanna be here and, therefore, I don't want her here.

IE, obedience is an integral and complementing part of a D/s dynamic. Her general obedience is an indicator of what I've earned from her (as is respect).

Focus.



Mercnbeth -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/25/2010 2:35:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

do you think obedience is conditional and if so under what circumstances?


yes it is. for this slave, it is one of many obligations this slave signed up for upon becoming His slave.

the individual circumstances should be worked out between those involved in the relationship, according to their relationship's unique needs/desires.



wandersalone -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/25/2010 3:12:45 AM)

What Focus has written below.  I found that I eventually could not keep obeying when he lost my respect though I did keep trying for a while.

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

I equate obedience to respect; if she were consistently disobedient, it's telling me she doesn't respect my authority over her and she doesn't wanna be here and, therefore, I don't want her here.

Focus.






eyesopened -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/25/2010 5:09:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

do you think obedience is conditional and if so under what circumstances?


My Master gave me a prime directive, a priority order, if you will.  I am to take care of His well-being above all and to always make sure He is well respresented in public and honored in His home.  In order to obey that Primary order, I am allowed to disagree with any order that conflicts with that.  I don't willfully disobey anything but I will point out if there is a conflict with the Primary order.

At one time I felt my Master could be having a reoccurrance of an old illness and really felt a trip to the emergency room was in order.  Since it is my duty to tend to His well-being, I told Him I wanted to take Him to the hospital.  He said no.  I pointed out my concern and that if I were to do my job and obey His first order, I wanted to take Him to the hospital.  He held my hands in His and said "Your concern is duly noted and appreciated."  which translates into "You didn't disobey, but I make the final decision and the subject will not be discussed further."

However, had my Master become unconcious, I would have called 911 because the primary order would supercede the previous "I ain't going to the hospital" order.



chamberqueen -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/25/2010 7:43:42 AM)

Within my dynamic it is not conditional unless there is an extremely good reason.  For instance, I was once told to drive somewhere and had to explain that my car was broken down and asked if I might take a taxi instead.  Once he found out that my car was not running the task was changed.

This has been more because of my feelings towards my role than his.  He told me early on that he could see that he would have to be very careful with the way he worded things to me because it was obvious that I took his word as law.  That does not mean that I am unthinking or don't consider the consequences.  It is more a reaction to the disgust I feel at "slaves" that pick and choose which commands to follow, always following anything where he can see it but failing to do so if he is not looking.  If there is a good reason for not following a command then it needs to be discussed, but simply choosing to only obey when I feel like it or I see some immediate benefit coming from it is not my style.



littleone35 -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/25/2010 11:03:44 AM)

My obedidence to Master is conditional on the fact he continues to be the man i submittited to. If he suddenly starts giving me orders that are totally out of character for him . Asking me to do things that hurt me physically or emotoinally or to do things that would huertothers, i could not follow those orders. We have a contract saying i don't have to. In all other areas that that my obedience is unconditional.

Matt's littleone



sublizzie -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/25/2010 11:10:26 AM)

My primary command was to take care of myself so it may look like I disobeyed him on occasion but I was actually obeying my primary command. He always rewarded any "disobedience" so I'm guessing he was okay with my choices.



starshineowned -> RE: do you think obedience is conditional and if so (1/25/2010 11:17:32 AM)

quote:

do you think obedience is conditional and if so under what circumstances?


Greetings..

Yes it is conditional in that as long as I am his slave I am absolute in obedience to him. The moment the condition changes to my willful refusal.. I am no longer his slave. Stupid shit like killing people or things that would seriously harm us or others isn't part of us to begin with and needs no introduction for conditional considerations.

starshine



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