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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 8:12:28 PM   
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True, dc. I hope the OP finds a crystal ball, and soon.

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 8:26:23 PM   
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I ignore it and move on to the next post in that thread.
Not worth my time most of the time. (That goes for any board, not just CM).

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RE: Since i can;t read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 8:50:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

There are tiers of web forum seniority. It would be nifty seeing someone do an in-depth analysis of how the evolution of tenure at a certain website makes individuals prone to certain reactions.

The phenomenon you are describing happens somewhere in the mild to moderate tenure timeframe, where the individual has been on the site long enough to feel s/he has seen the stereotypical questions/threads that will pop up enough to be able to offer up a clever and cynical quip because s/he can claim to have heard the issue as if it was a broken record.

The problem often with people in this stage, is that their ability to more specifically discern how honest and genuine a comment is hasn't been completely developed yet, so they treat all such threads/comments with the same aloof, pseudo-witty retort presuming that it's always merited because the content of the post seems familiar to them.

It happens to everyone on message boards long enough. It's a certain rite of passage to be able to feel you're at the point where you can make this quick reaction, especially if, by virtue of your long-term presence on the boards, you're able to have other posters who like you jump on board.

The entire process is actually probably a wonderfully ripe playground for any sociologist itching for a small/medium-sized personal project.


And some people devote far too much effort analyzing such things.

Here is a novel approach:
How about if you don't like how people post, either a. don't read it b. ignore it c. snark back d. pontificate a really really long post about it or d. start a thread asking why posters are so annoying.

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 8:57:12 PM   
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i was wondering what your first thought is when you read posts from people who :

Everything they say is in a mean or sarcastic way
They put down everyone and slam people for making a puncuation mistake.

They always try to start arguments or constantly coming on with a joke to throw a great thread off track.

Do you get mad or do you do like i do and feel sorry for the ones who do that?

What do you think their reasons are for acting this way? thanks


Everything they say? Are you sure it is everything? Need to be careful of the usage of that word. Same with always, often a misperception going on there, one that skews the truth in a damaging way at times.

There are some brilliantly talented funny people who come on here and scatter their funny words and I love it. I think funny is so great. I dont think it throws the thread off track at all, at all, at all. Someone is welcome to come in anywhere along the way and say something super heavy and profound if they wish, it all moves together. Some people are so adept they do it all at once. Funny, insightful, heartfelt.

I get mad and feel sorry for someone for different reasons than some others seem to do. Sometimes the things that someone is feeling mad or feeling sorry for in Person A is what makes me think that Person A is super cool. Things that annoy others may not annoy me and vicey versey.

Some people are less conscious, for sure that is true.

I have learned so many things on these boards that I couldnt even begin to articulate. Some people come across as so smart and having it so together and sometimes I do not share in that feeling with them about themselves.

Lots of people are being themselves and that is why they act this way.

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:02:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ForeverOwned

i was wondering what your first thought is when you read posts from people who :

Everything they say is in a mean or sarcastic way
They put down everyone and slam people for making a puncuation mistake.

They always try to start arguments or constantly coming on with a joke to throw a great thread off track.

Do you get mad or do you do like i do and feel sorry for the ones who do that?

What do you think their reasons are for acting this way? thanks


Frankly, if you think that this site is full of such terrible people, I wonder why you are here. That is what I think is the most important question that you need to be asking.

Generally, people on CM don't fillet each other over grammar unless said person is attempting to portray themselves as smarter or superior to everyone else.

What you think is mean and scarastic isn't mean or scarastic or others. This is intended as nicely as possible but... you don't get to be the judge of what is mean and awful. That is what the mods are for. Instead of creating threads that have already been done a million times and clearly haven't had an effect, you can A) call the person out on their behavior or B) report it to the mods. If their behavior is out of line, the mods will handle it.

There are some people that I would agree go too far. But oh well. This is a group of people. And like any group of people, there will be those that I don't agree with their way of doing things. And that's fine. People don't have to like how I do things.

I have to say though... I'd rather someone who is openly hostile than someone who is passive-aggressive about feeling sorry for us all. Quite frankly, that isn't a nice thing to say. And if you are going to complain about people being mean and rude, you should probably follow the old rule of "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" and lead by example.


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RE: Since i can;t read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:11:57 PM   
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And some people devote far too much effort analyzing such things.

You mean, like actually answering the OP's questions instead of giving her advice on questions she didn't ask?




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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:12:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ForeverOwned

i was wondering what your first thought is when you read posts from people who :

Everything they say is in a mean or sarcastic way
They put down everyone and slam people for making a puncuation mistake.

They always try to start arguments or constantly coming on with a joke to throw a great thread off track.

Do you get mad or do you do like i do and feel sorry for the ones who do that?

What do you think their reasons are for acting this way? thanks



My absolute first thought when reading this (kinda lame/go nowhere) thread was your typo on 'punctuation'.
 
I notice such things. Why is it a crime?
 
When did inserting a joke into a thread or being witty become an offence?
 
My advice is to move on to something more meaningful to you.

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:21:13 PM   
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Frankly, if you think that this site is full of such terrible people, I wonder why you are here.

She never made any comment at all referring to how common these sorts of people are, just that they exist...which is quite correct.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Generally, people on CM don't fillet each other over grammar unless said person is attempting to portray themselves as smarter or superior to everyone else.

But, less-than-generally, people will make grammar, spelling, or punctuation comments for little reason...half the time making one themselves in response.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

What you think is mean and scarastic isn't mean or scarastic or others.

lol

Which is why the PN thread recently was a maniacal slingfest!

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

This is intended as nicely as possible but... you don't get to be the judge of what is mean and awful.

Actually, she does. It is precisely her (or anyone else) that makes something mean and awful if she makes that perception. Either that or there is no mean and awful and a whole mess of folks here would look awfully silly.

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That is what the mods are for.

Sort of. they're there to determine if a complainer's assessment of "mean" or "awful" sufficiently conforms to whatever parameters they've set in their private web-home enough to take active steps to remedy the event(s).

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Instead of creating threads that have already been done a million times and clearly haven't had an effect, you can A) call the person out on their behavior or B) report it to the mods. If their behavior is out of line, the mods will handle it.

Actually, the way this thread is phrased seems to me a bit more genuine is dissecting the issue than actual whine-threads of the past.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

There are some people that I would agree go too far. But oh well. This is a group of people. And like any group of people, there will be those that I don't agree with their way of doing things. And that's fine. People don't have to like how I do things.

Fair point, but this isn't entirely true. In any human social structure, with enough displeased community members, your actions do have to be liked (if you want to reamin part of that community or if you want to avoid consequences).

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I have to say though... I'd rather someone who is openly hostile than someone who is passive-aggressive about feeling sorry for us all. Quite frankly, that isn't a nice thing to say. And if you are going to complain about people being mean and rude, you should probably follow the old rule of "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" and lead by example.

I don't think pointing out the fact that people do actually behave this way when they do is "saying something not nice".


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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:23:14 PM   
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My advice is to move on to something more meaningful to you.

I don't think she was branding all punctuation pedants (myself included) as wackos or trouble-makers.

And, this topic is certainly more thought-worthy than plenty of stuff that pops up on here. We may as well tell half the forum's OP's to find something more meaningful.


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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:27:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ForeverOwned
i was wondering what your first thought is when you read posts from people who :

...always coming on with a joke to throw a great thread off track.


I think, why am I reading my own posts?

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:28:03 PM   
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Thank you, so very much Nihilus. and you're right, i was speaking of people who come on when one word is mispelled or one period is out of place and they crucify that person. To be fair i have not seen that recently for a lot of those people are now gone. A ;ot of nice people are on here now.

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RE: Since i can;t read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:29:07 PM   
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One of my pet peeves is when people flame someone for starting a new topic by saying "Use the search function!!!"

Or, if you use the search function, it's "Why on earth did you resurrect a 3 year old thread?!"

(I have admittedly been guilty of at least soft reactions like this before until I realized the funny catch-22.)




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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:34:03 PM   
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I think it is easy to misunderstand a post when you cannot see the face and body language. For instance in your other thread today I think you believed I was being sarcastic with you or putting you down…that is far from what I was trying to do.

I start many threads here and I realize often people don’t read every post in the thread before they post… if it is something already addressed I just say that or ignore them but I never come back with attitude for an honest mistake.

That said of course there are people who love to hijack a thread or use extreme satire. If my thread I just put it back on track or sometimes I join in the fun or the offshoot…after all we are all here to enjoy ourselves.

Then there are those that just bait you…just refuse to let them do it ignore them. All and all I have little trouble with those kinds of people…they don’t mess with me for some reason.

There are also some here that I have heated debates with…even to the point of calling them stupid or them calling me and idiot…. but after the heat of the moment goes away I find I like these folks better than most…they are fun.

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RE: Since i can;t read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:34:51 PM   
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Every thread cannot be new and original that's impossible, i don;t know why they don't understand that.

To point out that a question was asked two months ago in November on the 16th at 10 pm is pretty pathetic.  Then they will spend three days searching for that thread so that they can try to make you look even worse.

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:35:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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Frankly, if you think that this site is full of such terrible people, I wonder why you are here.

She never made any comment at all referring to how common these sorts of people are, just that they exist...which is quite correct.

The OP has made a few comments along this line recently. If she truly feels this way, than I still wonder why she chooses to be here. I don't see any difference in my wonderings than hers.
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Generally, people on CM don't fillet each other over grammar unless said person is attempting to portray themselves as smarter or superior to everyone else.

But, less-than-generally, people will make grammar, spelling, or punctuation comments for little reason...half the time making one themselves in response.

As I say later in the post, every group as their jerks. I don't particularly see a need to make a post about a few jerks when, if they are being an ass, one can just ask why they felt the need to say that.
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

What you think is mean and scarastic isn't mean or scarastic or others.

lol

Which is why the PN thread recently was a maniacal slingfest!

I musta missed that one. That or I'm tired and don't know which you are referring to.
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

This is intended as nicely as possible but... you don't get to be the judge of what is mean and awful.

Actually, she does. It is precisely her (or anyone else) that makes something mean and awful if she makes that perception. Either that or there is no mean and awful and a whole mess of folks here would look awfully silly.

She gets to decide what she considers to be mean and awful. That's quite different being the judge of what is mean and awful. I regard that as the mods' job, for better or worse.
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That is what the mods are for.

Sort of. they're there to determine if a complainer's assessment of "mean" or "awful" sufficiently conforms to whatever parameters they've set in their private web-home enough to take active steps to remedy the event(s).

If a person objects to the types of behaviors that are allowed by a site's rules, than I truly do not see the point in staying on the site to complain about it. I would understand an attempt to change thing if this wasn't about the millionth thread I've seen like this. Evidently, it doesn't work so if someone is going to attempt change, they need to try something new.
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Instead of creating threads that have already been done a million times and clearly haven't had an effect, you can A) call the person out on their behavior or B) report it to the mods. If their behavior is out of line, the mods will handle it.

Actually, the way this thread is phrased seems to me a bit more genuine is dissecting the issue than actual whine-threads of the past.

There we'll have to disagree. It's less balant but doesn't strike me much differently.
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

There are some people that I would agree go too far. But oh well. This is a group of people. And like any group of people, there will be those that I don't agree with their way of doing things. And that's fine. People don't have to like how I do things.

Fair point, but this isn't entirely true. In any human social structure, with enough displeased community members, your actions do have to be liked (if you want to reamin part of that community or if you want to avoid consequences).

I'm not attempting to get into a debate on human society.

If people on this message board don't like how I do things, I really don't care. I've learned a great deal here. I'll probably be here for some time longer. But if, for whatever reason, I decide I don't like the waters, I'll leave.
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I have to say though... I'd rather someone who is openly hostile than someone who is passive-aggressive about feeling sorry for us all. Quite frankly, that isn't a nice thing to say. And if you are going to complain about people being mean and rude, you should probably follow the old rule of "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" and lead by example.

I don't think pointing out the fact that people do actually behave this way when they do is "saying something not nice".


Whereas I regard it as not following the old adage of if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.

That isn't to say I don't think the opinion should be expressed. Only that it does strike me as hypocritical.

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RE: Since i can;t read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:38:00 PM   
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Every thread cannot be new and original that's impossible, i don;t know why they don't understand that.

To point out that a question was asked two months ago in November on the 16th at 10 pm is pretty pathetic.  Then they will spend three days searching for that thread so that they can try to make you look even worse.


I do understand that. However, when thread after thread after thread after thread has been meet with the same reaction, one has to wonder why someone thinks this time it will be different.

By the way, calling someone pathetic isn't nice either. Just sayin'.

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:40:01 PM   
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And, this topic is certainly more thought-worthy than plenty of stuff that pops up on here. We may as well tell half the forum's OP's to find something more meaningful.



Eh... we can't agree on everything. I love you anyway.

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:45:58 PM   
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The OP has made a few comments along this line recently. If she truly feels this way, than I still wonder why she chooses to be here. I don't see any difference in my wonderings than hers.

I suppose we could ask her if she feels the type of people described in the OP constitute a majority of the site's posters.

And, while your wonderings are essentially not different, they are a deviation from the points being brought up and, technically, they are an argumentum ad hominem.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

As I say later in the post, every group as their jerks. I don't particularly see a need to make a post about a few jerks when, if they are being an ass, one can just ask why they felt the need to say that.

How many honest (or at least 'self-cognisant of their ways') jerks do you know?

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She gets to decide what she considers to be mean and awful. That's quite different being the judge of what is mean and awful.

Not really, because there is no universal "mean and awful".

Although, I do concur that, structurally, we consent to be in a place where we've relinquished temporal right to decide what's "mean and awful" to the moderation team and administration.

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If a person objects to the types of behaviors that are allowed by a site's rules, than I truly do not see the point in staying on the site to complain about it.

Any website with a moderation team than actually cares about its community will, as rarely as it may happen, actually listen to them..and just maybe make adequate changes. I've seen it happen.

Otherwise, we're engaging in the old fallacious "If you don't like the country, get out of it!" line of reasoning.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I would understand an attempt to change thing if this wasn't about the millionth thread I've seen like this. Evidently, it doesn't work so if someone is going to attempt change, they need to try something new.

So...what? Do you want me to dance in suspenders across the thread to make it a bit more unique?

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I'm not attempting to get into a debate on human society.

You need a break from the MMORPGs sometime!

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:52:44 PM   
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I suppose we could ask her if she feels the type of people described in the Op constitute a majority of the site's posters.

And, while your wonderings are essentially not different, they are a deviation from the points being brought up and, technically, they are an argumentum ad hominem.

Deviation in threads doesn't particularly bother me and truly never has. Not in the threads I start nor in those I post on. I understand that it bothers some but I really can't bring myself to care about it.

Does that make me an asshole?
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How many honest jerks (or at least 'self-cognisant of their ways') jerks do you know?

Well Val is one... and I've certainly been called it enough that I freely refer to myself a terrible, rotten bitch. Does that make two?

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Any website with a moderation team than actually cares about its community will, as rarely as it may happen, actually listen to them. I've seen it happen.

Otherwise, we're engaging in the old fallacious "If you don't like the country, get out of it!" line of reasoning.

I agree with you that mods should listen to their community. And I think the mods do listen here. I have seen things ebb and flow in response to the community here. But this is an old charge that I have seen brought up since my first days on the board. So I don't believe that a new thread is going to change anything. If things were going to change, I think it would take something more along the lines of a dedicated group of posters who didn't insult or belittle those doing the belittling and politely asked "why did you say that?" every time they see what they consider to be an instance of rudeness.
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So...what? Do you want me to dance in suspenders across the thread to make it a bit more unique?

Jeeze... come on, I've seen that already. At least add a trained pony...
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... and you just reminded me that Lotro is giving bonus XP this weekend... See you all in a few hours.

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RE: Since i can't read anyone's mind at least not yet - 1/24/2010 9:54:53 PM   
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i was wondering what your first thought is when you read posts from people who :

Everything they say is in a mean or sarcastic way
They put down everyone and slam people for making a puncuation mistake.

They always try to start arguments or constantly coming on with a joke to throw a great thread off track.

Do you get mad or do you do like i do and feel sorry for the ones who do that?

What do you think their reasons are for acting this way? thanks


Because this is a fairly freewheeling board, and it's not moderated to the level of a college classroom.   Thank goodness.

Because sometimes it's FUN to read and see this happen.  There are some clever people here who can make a point even when it's cloaked in something else.

Because just as frequently, a thread can be peppered with humor and sidetracks, and yet still stay the course and be quite meaningful.

You can either choose to stick it out and read it (and participate) or you don't.  Every board has its own flavors and styles.

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if there is any reaction, both are transformed.

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