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So it would appear.

nice to have someone on my side once in a while lol

it's lonely on the front lines

but you have youre goose.

going to youre other point, that i cant highlight cos im pants at that. there are times when you walk a very very fine line between what is possible for the submissive and what is not impossible. when it physically and mentally brings you to a point of breakdown. that in of itself isnt always a negative thing for the submissive if its handled judiciously, but everyone has their breaking point, i reached mine that time and it continued beyond that point and beyond and then i was told (indirectly) hat it was going to get much worse.

when you look at it this way, and its a bit melodramatic, but im trying really hard to get past the whole 'submissives must submit, always and not complain ever'. torture has been used on hard men to bring them to their knees - everyone has a limit of endurance, beyond that point ethical issues start to arise.

even the most hard boiled sadist has to realise at some point that his subject has reached the end of her rope, how they handle it beyond that point determines if the outcome is good or bad.

yes and i was the one that mentioned responsible domination and ethical ownership

just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do


that being said once she comes to understand and believe that about him then i see no need for her to want limits placed upon him. because even though they may be her limits, they are placed upon him and his freedom of action

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im realising that you cant know a persons judgement off the bat, you have to get a feel for it over time