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seekingreality -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/16/2011 11:29:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheShrew

A question .. does it irk you more or less to have your carefully crafted, tailor made email completely ignored? Since no stranger on the net is obligated to another stranger on the net, it stands to reason one should have no expectation of a stranger on the net. Personally, I'd say it's damn courteous if the dom/me responds at all. {A statement you agree with in line one.}

ORIGINAL: joether
Now, if I get a reply back, I count myself lucky. <~  Please, remember this when we get to "The end."


I've heard lots of people talk about this on both BDSM and vanilla sites. The vast majority would rather have no response than receive a perfunctory "Thanks but no thanks" reply. And if a woman sends that reply, she's likely to receive an irritated response.

Personally, if I choose to write to someone, I create a personal letter and then forget it immediately after I push send. Answering a profile is about the same as saying hi to someone at a party. There are a million reasons a person could choose not to respond, and it's nothing to get worked up about.




TheShrew -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 1:15:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seekingreality

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheShrew
A question .. does it irk you more or less to have your carefully crafted, tailor made email completely ignored? Since no stranger on the net is obligated to another stranger on the net, it stands to reason one should have no expectation of a stranger on the net. Personally, I'd say it's damn courteous if the dom/me responds at all. {A statement you agree with in line one.}

ORIGINAL: joether
Now, if I get a reply back, I count myself lucky. <~  Please, remember this when we get to "The end."


I've heard lots of people talk about this on both BDSM and vanilla sites. The vast majority would rather have no response than receive a perfunctory "Thanks but no thanks" reply. And if a woman sends that reply, she's likely to receive an irritated response.

Personally, if I choose to write to someone, I create a personal letter and then forget it immediately after I push send. Answering a profile is about the same as saying hi to someone at a party. There are a million reasons a person could choose not to respond, and it's nothing to get worked up about.


Dig around ta bit and you'll find several old threads lobbing complaints of "fake", "snob", "spam bot!", "man hater" .. because they got no response. {It can be a damned if you do, and damned if you don't situation.}





LadyConstanze -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 2:48:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: seekingreality


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheShrew

A question .. does it irk you more or less to have your carefully crafted, tailor made email completely ignored? Since no stranger on the net is obligated to another stranger on the net, it stands to reason one should have no expectation of a stranger on the net. Personally, I'd say it's damn courteous if the dom/me responds at all. {A statement you agree with in line one.}

ORIGINAL: joether
Now, if I get a reply back, I count myself lucky. <~  Please, remember this when we get to "The end."


I've heard lots of people talk about this on both BDSM and vanilla sites. The vast majority would rather have no response than receive a perfunctory "Thanks but no thanks" reply. And if a woman sends that reply, she's likely to receive an irritated response.

Personally, if I choose to write to someone, I create a personal letter and then forget it immediately after I push send. Answering a profile is about the same as saying hi to someone at a party. There are a million reasons a person could choose not to respond, and it's nothing to get worked up about.


Which is actually true, I replied to a mail and the guy went in a fit because I wasn't impressed that he gave me a bunch of overblown compliments and didn't automatically want to be best friends with him. Resulted in about 5 mails, all complaining and telling me how wonderful he is (claimed to be a D type) and then getting insulting and telling me I am not a dominant because he's one ever since he was born and blah blah... Mind you most of the mails were complaining that he couldn't find subs (he decided to label them as sluts) who were interested in online toilet service (whatever the hell that is - staring at pics of poop?), I guess I should have been more sympathetic and told him that I can't understand why submissive women don't just kneel down if somebody has a toilet as a main picture...

Best bit was actually a copy and paste of a conversation he found that should show what a nice guy he is, apparently an 18 year old virgin approached him and wanted to be his slave - my mistake for thinking a guy used the typical model pic and played a bit of a game...




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 3:52:08 AM)

One thing I have noticed is that males, dom or sub doesn't seem to matter, send emails that either require very little response, or else require ME to initiate topics of conversation.

I don't have a long list of questions unless I have some interest, beyond my standard: Are you married/attached?

So the fact that you've written what is to you a long well thought out email doesn't mean you've written one that is easy to respond to.

And yeah, the compliments on looks get old real fast. As does the completely ignoring specifications in your profile, such as local only.






stoni23 -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 7:12:26 AM)

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who were interested in online toilet service (whatever the hell that is - staring at pics of poop?)


In case you weren't being sarcastic.

Online toilet service:
Typically involves eating one's own excrement on webcam for the viewing pleasure of said Dominant. The act is usually reserved for those that are willing to do it (and have done it on their own), but too afraid to actually meet someone in person to be a real life toilet. In my experience, it's typically a stepping stone to doing the real thing (just like most online slave oriented activities).




stoni23 -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 7:16:11 AM)

As far as the OP itself.... Someone else mentioned it but I don't feel like quoting it: The biggest problem is one liner initial messages. If you get any reply at all, you had a successful initial post and at least sparked enough interest for a response. If they give you anything besides a "No thanks" then you are 100 steps ahead of 99% of the douches that send messages on here.

I wouldn't call it hypocritical at all. In fact, these one liner responses are probably driven from hesitation and not wanting to spend time on something with is potentially a waste of effort. I've seen some pretty decent initial messages, good responses given, and then that person degrades to a caveman with their next messages, or just leads every sentence with "I" in the next message.

So to sum it up, any response is a good response in my opinion.




LadyConstanze -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 9:58:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: stoni23

quote:


who were interested in online toilet service (whatever the hell that is - staring at pics of poop?)


In case you weren't being sarcastic.

Online toilet service:
Typically involves eating one's own excrement on webcam for the viewing pleasure of said Dominant. The act is usually reserved for those that are willing to do it (and have done it on their own), but too afraid to actually meet someone in person to be a real life toilet. In my experience, it's typically a stepping stone to doing the real thing (just like most online slave oriented activities).


Oh shit, I wish I wouldn't have asked.... Ewww




stoni23 -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 10:44:20 AM)

lol tis what I'm here for!




seekingreality -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 11:38:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

One thing I have noticed is that males, dom or sub doesn't seem to matter, send emails that either require very little response, or else require ME to initiate topics of conversation.

I don't have a long list of questions unless I have some interest, beyond my standard: Are you married/attached?

So the fact that you've written what is to you a long well thought out email doesn't mean you've written one that is easy to respond to.

And yeah, the compliments on looks get old real fast. As does the completely ignoring specifications in your profile, such as local only.





A lot of people don't know to communicate, especially in writing. If there were a template for responding it would be:

1. Read a domme's profile and find those things that you genuinely speak to you.
2. Write her an honest and pleasant letter, specifically mentioning those things in a genuine way.
3. Keep the compliments short, specific, and genuine, and make them about something other than her appearance.
4. Don't focus on BDSM activities except in a general sense. Talk to her like a person, with the same respect and decorum as if you were answering a match.com ad.
5. If you attach a photo, make sure it really looks like you and is g-rated.
6. End the letter with an open-ended question that points a way to continuing the conversation.
7. If she doesn't respond forget it. If she responds with a no-thanks, resist the temptation to blast her or argue your cause; the delete button is your friend.
8. Don't get too worked up. It doesn't start to become real until you decide to meet.
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ElanSubdued -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 11:53:43 AM)

VaguelyCurious,

quote:

<pedantry>

It's not hypocrisy anyway.

Saying 'I will not accept one-line emails' and 'I think it's ok for me to send one-line emails' simultaneously is not hypocritical; saying 'I think nobody ought to send one-line emails' and 'I think it's ok for me to send one-line emails' would be hypocritical. Hypocrisy isn't not practicing what you preach, it's claiming to hold one set of beliefs while actually holding another.

</pedantry>


Your smarts are showing... again... which is fuckin' sexy.  Just sayin'. :-)




Arturas -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 11:55:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


quote:

ORIGINAL: MargueriteV

The length of my reply depends on how many things I can comment on in the message.


Wisely said. When I get an email which is 200 words of praise on my profile, the only thing that comes to mind is *thank you*.

Oh, did you want to engage me? Then engage me! Ask me questions! If I'm interested, I often use the first few emails to ask questions. If they don't ask me any in return, I can comment on the questions asked, but that's pretty much it.

And to be honest, a man that doesn't show me that he's inquisitive by asking questions is a turn off. A man that asks too many questions is overwhelming. I'd say 1-3 questions per email in a well thought out email is a good balance to get a nice conversation going.

- LA


This is a free reply, ahmm sorta, as in a guy sorta way...

Hmmmm...so, it's all their fault for not asking enough of the right questions to "engage you"? So, let me get this straight...if a handsome well built guy wrote you about himself and expressed interest in you and did a good job explaining why you two are good for each other but failed to ask a question, then you would not reply because you are not properly engaged by a question?

Hmmmm...so next time I need to engage a beautiful woman across the room I need to think up the right questions?

Yeah...ah no, I think not beautiful ladies and I do mean that well! I do enjoy these forums...[:D]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 12:07:25 PM)

Arturas, that is NOT what LA said in her post. Look at the actual words.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 12:12:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Hmmmm...so next time I need to engage a beautiful woman across the room I need to think up the right questions?

Well you'd certainly need to be capable of actual conversation, which is a give and take. Lecturing a woman about how good you'd be for each other is not conversation.

Seriously? This concept is new to you?

---

And Elan, you are easily impressed. [;)]




Arturas -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 12:13:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Arturas, that is NOT what LA said in her post. Look at the actual words.



Oh, you're right, she said a confident contact filled with intelligence and honesty framing a handsome face in a clear picture does the trick as I quoted her below...I do enjoy these forums [:D]


quote:

Oh, did you want to engage me? Then engage me! Ask me questions! If I'm interested, I often use the first few emails to ask questions. If they don't ask me any in return, I can comment on the questions asked, but that's pretty much it.

And to be honest, a man that doesn't show me that he's inquisitive by asking questions is a turn off.




LaTigresse -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 12:14:11 PM)

Arty you seem to forget something. Women get approached by men. Most all women. By a lot of men. It works differently than the reverse. We have more choices. This is where it really does not matter what the power dynamic is, the women are still getting approached by the men. It is the nature of the animal.

Women will decide whether or not to bother with men. Just because HE believes he is awesome, doesn't mean the woman he is approaching believes the same thing. If he doesn't convince her he is, she won't bother with him.

My profile pretty much promises a guy that he is wasting his time writing me but that doesn't slow the blue in-box section of my email down. Most get deleted unread. If I recognize the name, I will give it a quick scan. If there is something that requires an answer, I do. Otherwise I..........don't bother.

So yeah.....a guy has to have the right questions, say the right things. As women, our brains usually have to be engaged before our cunts. Unlike men who appear to only need their brain engaged enough to follow the dick that is already charging ahead.

Not a slam against men, just the way it seems to work.




Arturas -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 12:23:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

Hmmmm...so next time I need to engage a beautiful woman across the room I need to think up the right questions?

Well you'd certainly need to be capable of actual conversation, which is a give and take. Lecturing a woman about how good you'd be for each other is not conversation.

Seriously? This concept is new to you?

---

And Elan, you are easily impressed. [;)]



I agree, give and take it is. Your smile tells me you don't really believe I mentioned "lecturing" a woman about anything, that's your word you threw out to perhaps...should I say it with a hopeful and inviting smile, yes... "engage me"?

Cause, I suggested that being prepared with the right number and type of questions is not what we do when engaging beautiful women across a smoke filled room or the internet! I do enjoy these forums, yes I do beautiful woman! [:D]




Arturas -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 12:28:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Arty you seem to forget something. Women get approached by men. Most all women. By a lot of men. It works differently than the reverse. We have more choices. This is where it really does not matter what the power dynamic is, the women are still getting approached by the men. It is the nature of the animal.

Women will decide whether or not to bother with men. Just because HE believes he is awesome, doesn't mean the woman he is approaching believes the same thing. If he doesn't convince her he is, she won't bother with him.

My profile pretty much promises a guy that he is wasting his time writing me but that doesn't slow the blue in-box section of my email down. Most get deleted unread. If I recognize the name, I will give it a quick scan. If there is something that requires an answer, I do. Otherwise I..........don't bother.

So yeah.....a guy has to have the right questions, say the right things. As women, our brains usually have to be engaged before our cunts. Unlike men who appear to only need their brain engaged enough to follow the dick that is already charging ahead.

Not a slam against men, just the way it seems to work.



Chill baby, it's cool, so you don't want to dance with me. I still think you're beautiful and turn away with a sigh and then see, across the smoke filled room, a woman who looks bored...she looks up, tosses her hair and looks down for a moment with a smile...she sees me turn toward her and she is clearly engaged now....for the moment...




ElanSubdued -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 12:31:02 PM)

A general comment now.  Though this is an old thread, I'm finding it useful.  I especially appreciate the feedback about asking questions, giving the reader a sense you're interested in what they have to say, and inviting the reader to share their own views.

As to the notion of short replies, my experience is that what a dominant writes in a profile may or may not indicate their preferred style of interaction.  Thus, though their profile may be lengthy and detailed, this doesn't necessarily mean the dominant wants an equivalently detailed response, particularly when it comes to introduction letters.  Similarly, the dominant may or may not like expressing themselves in detail and may prefer certain mediums over others.  There is a natural flow that occurs in conversations and when I'm not feeling this, I may try to invigorate it, but if it still isn't working, I let the conversation go.  There's really not much you can do when the mutual connection isn't working.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 12:31:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Your smile tells me you don't really believe I mentioned "lecturing" a woman about anything, that's your word you threw out to perhaps...should I say it with a hopeful and inviting smile, yes... "engage me"?

The smiley was directed at ElanSubdued, not you - that's why his name is in front of it. As for lecturing, this:
quote:

...wrote you about himself and expressed interest in you and did a good job explaining why you two are good for each other but failed to ask a question...

would be a lecture.

I would appreciate it if you did not refer to me as 'beautiful woman'.




ElanSubdued -> RE: The Hypocritical Domme (8/17/2011 12:37:39 PM)

VC,

quote:

And Elan, you are easily impressed. [;)]


Nope.  You've let your smarts peek out from beneath your headdress before.  A camel toe of the mind, as it were.  It's a cumulative thing and it wears well.




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