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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 7:14:41 AM   
MistressTonya2u


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Status: offline 		Do I think we will be out by aug. 2010? I really doubt it.

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 7:20:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		the full withdrawl by the agreement is for end of 2011, and by the way, Bush would not have signed the status of forces agreement had McCain won. It was not signed until after the elections when it was clear that Obama was the next president.



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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 8:10:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown

Iraq and Afghanistan have bout as much to do with each other as india and japan.

We fight in Iraq of course under the guise that it is a front on the international war on terrorism, but in truth we've brought more of the terrorist element in iraq then we've removed. Remember, sadam was pretty much secular, only using religion when he needed it, He didn't care for islamic extremists all that much because they posed a threat to his "power".


Of course that is all a mute point now, sadam is dead and Iraq has been Liberated, but it still holds no strategic advantage for us to be metaling there any further.Mostly cause of how much we've fucked up, haliburton and friends have totally failed reestablishing any sort of infrastructure needed to pull iraq out of the third world, and our private security forces and interrogation tactics have fed the jihadist with so much PR ammunition that we might as well put up happy little osama bin laden cartoon posters just in hopes that the guilt of association will deter people from associating with him lol.

Time to finnish up our work in Afghanistan if you ask me...


Paragraphs and white spaces ... please.  Then I might read your stuff. 

It seems kinda interesting as I glance through the words. But making your stuff intentionally obtuse doesn't encourage reading, nor say much for your ability to present a rational argument.

Firm



there ya go geezer eyes lol


sorry, when I rant I tendtorunwordstogetherwithoutconsiderationforethereader lol

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 9:05:45 AM   
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Lots of overstatements in your post.  Was it just for emotional effect?

If not, then your "Doesn't anyone fucking read history?" comment seems kinda ... humorous. 

Firm



Which overstatements? I was responding to the proposition that we continue to station forces in these countries for 50 years.

My point was that if we continue to support policies like this, we will overstretch our military and Treasury. THAT is not an overstatement, but merely an observation.

What is interesting is that if in 2001 Bush had proposed that we invade 4 countries and threaten a 5th, and spend about 4 Trillion dollars on these wars, and station troops in all 4 for 50 years, everyone would have thought him mad. Yet thats precisely where we are headed, and the conservatives are cheering this all on.

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 9:09:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

the full withdrawl by the agreement is for end of 2011, and by the way, Bush would not have signed the status of forces agreement had McCain won. It was not signed until after the elections when it was clear that Obama was the next president.



Yeah, outgoing PsOTUS always base their final days on what their successor wants.

LMAO

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 9:40:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorta like when Eisenhower left it to Kennedy regarding Bay of Pigs, you mean, or were you thinking of other numerous examples?

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 9:43:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		In fact its more likely that there will be an increase in our presence in Iraq by mid 2011 than being even close to "fully withdrawn".

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 9:43:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		why would that be 'likely'? And where does the 'in fact' stuff come from?

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 10:03:20 AM   
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why would that be 'likely'? And where does the 'in fact' stuff come from?


It comes from an understanding of the ME and RI. Something even you could aspire to if you read real news and history, instead of the trash blogs you occupy your time with.

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 10:08:56 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Maine and Rhode Island will not have the final say in these matters.

I have never read a blog in my life.

Perhaps you should read some history, rather than making specious pronouncements about it.
And I am also sure that, based on your posting history, you have never read a newspaper.

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 11:38:06 AM   
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Maine and Rhode Island will not have the final say in these matters.

I have never read a blog in my life.


And I am also sure that, based on your posting history, you have never read a newspaper.

Ron


And Im sure from that statement that youre a fucking idiot. OF course that is merely confirmation of you complete history of posts.

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 11:46:42 AM   
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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 12:01:02 PM   
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You cannot field an Army with an enemy in your rear. As long as the United States is in Afganistan, US troops will be in Iraq.

Of course, the President could always occupy Iran instead...would ya like that?


Do you know where Iraq is, did you get your map from Miss South Carolina ? The Republicans on this board made countless claims that Bush went in to liberate Iraq. That makes them your friends right ? No you tell us you were wrong and they are infact, your enemies.

Even if they had an army capable, which they dont, do you think Iran, after losing millions of citizens in the Iran iraq war, would just let an Iraqi army march from one side to the other ?

If you are going to make stuff up, at least get a clue what you are talking about.


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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 12:14:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		He does claim he will have all the combat troops out by August 2010. This is a claim he made last year. As someone else said, combat troops doesnt mean everyone. Normally foreign countries install "advisers" which is a catch all category. I was suprised he made a claim that more insurgents were killed in 2009 than 2008, thats impossible to verify in this type of war.

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 12:17:29 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Noting that midterms are in fall of 2010, (hmmmmmmmmm) wilburs political acumen and the interjections of the states of Maine and Rhode Island into this discourse notwithstanding.


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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 12:53:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Lots of overstatements in your post.  Was it just for emotional effect?

If not, then your "Doesn't anyone fucking read history?" comment seems kinda ... humorous. 

Firm



Which overstatements? I was responding to the proposition that we continue to station forces in these countries for 50 years.

My point was that if we continue to support policies like this, we will overstretch our military and Treasury. THAT is not an overstatement, but merely an observation.

What is interesting is that if in 2001 Bush had proposed that we invade 4 countries and threaten a 5th, and spend about 4 Trillion dollars on these wars, and station troops in all 4 for 50 years, everyone would have thought him mad. Yet thats precisely where we are headed, and the conservatives are cheering this all on.


My question was whether or not your were intentionally using hyperbole as a rhetorical technique, or if you actually thought you were being historically and factually accurate.

If you are intentionally using hyperbole, then fine.  If you think you are being accurate, then I have to disagree with most (if not all) of your assumptions, predicates and definitions.

Firm


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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 1:38:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Obama will claim the combat troops are out by August, and that such claim may actually be true. I'm not at all clear that there will be large differences between the "combat troops" pulled out, and the "support troops" left behind.
He pretty much has to make the claim, I think. His base isn't particularly happy with him.......

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 1:44:52 PM   
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The U.S. will be there for a good long time.



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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 4:30:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
My question was whether or not your were intentionally using hyperbole as a rhetorical technique, or if you actually thought you were being historically and factually accurate.

If you are intentionally using hyperbole, then fine.  If you think you are being accurate, then I have to disagree with most (if not all) of your assumptions, predicates and definitions.


The future estimates of the number of countries and bases was sarcastic conjecture;
the number of bases we have currently is accurate (about 1,000 scattered across the globe)
The number of nations we currently are at war with is accurate (A-stan, P-Stan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia)
The history of our battles with Muslims was exaggerated- we have fought minor skirmishes with them, but never allowed it to become an existential threat.

So overall, I stand by the post. But would be interested to hear any corrections. contrary to what all women say, I am not a God, I just act like one in bed.

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RE: Troops Out of Iraq by August 2010? - 1/28/2010 4:32:21 PM   
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You cannot field an Army with an enemy in your rear.


Was this referring to the repeal of Don Ask Don't Tell? Or was it in the wrong thread?

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