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RE: punishment - 1/29/2010 12:15:43 PM   
Kana


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Just a quick thought on this.
I actually just had a discussion on this recently so the thoughts are still somewhat fresh.
Part of my interaction with a slave is based on rules. If she disobeys, she gets consequences. I don't play games, there are no hidden tricks with me, it's all above board-when she screws up, she knows it. As part of the rules, as with life et al., there are consequences. Good decisions=good consequences. Bad decisions=bad consequences. This is simple stuff.
Now I don't personally prefer the word punishment, because that's not what I am really trying to do. If I want to hurt her, I don't need to wrap it up in any games or tricks, I just do-shit, that's part of what slaves are for.
No, what I am really trying to do is get her to modify her actions to act in accordance with my desires.So that's what the consequence is, not punishment but behavior modification.
Let it be noted here I don't give out casual consequences. I think them through, I consider and evaluate the situation, and when I decide it's based on sound reasoning that I am quite capable of justifying. She knows it, I know it, and it's talked through before the consequence is rendered (nice word that, eh?).
Things are straightforward until here, but now things get ethically tricky because this cuts in a large part to the heart of a bound relationship.
There are a slew of men out there wanting to be doms, the women who have served me over the years have chosen me because of who I am as a man, not as a dominant or because I can crack a bullwhip. Their decisions were largely based on my possessing in some small measure a smidgen of such basic character traits as integrity, responsibility, and reliability among others. I'm not saying this to toot my own horn, but rather to point out one small fact:
-Perhaps the most important thing a dominant can give a submissive/slave/whatever is consistency-
Structure is important, people.
Nobody likes operating in an environment where the ground rules shift all the time, especially when they are shifting on entirely random principle such as fickle winds or emotional appeals or good moods. Think about work experiences you have had where everyone waits with bated breath to see what mood the boss is in that day. It's a shitty way to run any operation, much less a relationship.
Setting that point aside, the more important issue is when I issue a proclamation, and fail to back it up with the declared action, I undercut my own integrity. If I continue performing my irregularity with regularity, sooner or later she's not going to be able to take anything I say with any degree of reliability. Thus, when I make a proclamation, I am duty bound, for the goodness of the bound relationship, to follow through in accordance with the consequences I had laid down.
(This could lead to a whole new rant re responsibility involved in the words we use, but that's another day)
Failure to do so may be perceived as "being nice,"-at least that is the way I thought I was acting when I was young and new-but it turns out that when I was 'being nice," I was actually taking the one action that would, and did, deeply damage the relationship. In failing to hold her accountable, I failed to live up to my end in my implied domination and threatened the cage of trust that I had been striving to build.
Therefore I am obligated to give her exactly what I threatened her with, and any failure to do so is, in essence, me failing her.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled madness...

< Message edited by Kana -- 1/29/2010 12:32:26 PM >

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RE: punishment - 1/29/2010 3:27:57 PM   
littleone35


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If Master tells me i am going to get displined i know i am going to get it. I could be the worlds perfect sub until the punishmet. That does not make a difference, i did something that diapleased Master and he wants to correct my behavior so i do not repeat the thing that dia\spleased him. Case in point on day i was tickling him he told me to stop tickling him, i was in a playful mood and did not stop, after i got the displine well let me put it this way i will not be tickling Master anymore.

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RE: punishment - 1/29/2010 3:31:45 PM   
sunshinemiss


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I'm not a kid.  I don't need to be punished.  All that would do is destroy my ego.  And we're NOT gonna go there.  pffttt



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RE: punishment - 1/29/2010 5:14:12 PM   
stella41b


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quote:

ORIGINAL: afkarr

What is the fascination with the punishment concept around here?



Okay, so it appeals to some people. Your point is?


quote:

ORIGINAL: afkarr

If the Dom and the sub can't figure those things out by themselves, maybe they shouldn't be playing grown up.



Written by a poster who started a thread because she can't figure out by herself what to do with a dom who's dicking her around.

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RE: punishment - 1/29/2010 6:32:46 PM   
Zechriel


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Good evening!
I had a situation like this last year where I REALLY messed up-big time. I had my punishment and since we like spanking, my punishments are a list of things I hate. This one was 2 weeks of no chips or sodas. There was no funishment-after 3 days, I was in serious trouble..climbing the walls, lol. But I still told him I was having trouble but doing it and after a few days, he let me have a soda. Another few days, when it got bad again, A bowl of chips. Was I disappointed at the end of the punishment? HECK NO! I was soo grateful, I cried. It showed me that he had mercy and compassion. I finished the time and he was very impressed that I made it even with those reprieves. And have I misbehaved ever again? HECK NO! It has been almost a year since that incident and I have not been in trouble since. Even a few days with no chips or sodas was enough for me to learn my lesson. Disappointed that he took time off or granted me a break? HECK NO! Grateful comes to mind...along with the wincing fear that if I ever screwed up like that again-it could be for longer with NO breaks. I am not one to tempt fate. Hope that helps, good luck!
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RE: punishment - 2/1/2010 5:05:12 PM   
littlegirlangel


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lol kind of. I talked Daddy into taking away all the marks (two) I had on the chalkboard for being too bratty at the beginning of the new year. I told him we needed to have a fresh slate. Actually I'm not too bad but I'm sure if I asked Daddy he would remove marks for good behaviour, it takes having five on the board though before punishment so it can take a while to add up. 

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