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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/28/2010 6:17:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not "all" books put me to sleep, we read one of John Steinbeck's books in class and I was hooked! I went down to the library and checked out all the rest of his books and read them all on my own,....ah,...when I was out in the woods skipping school. And I liked Hemingway's stuff and quite a few others.

Doctors should prescribe that "Sidhartha" to their patients who have sleep disorders, I swear it'd be better than drinking half a bottle of Nyquil!

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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/28/2010 7:29:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can't agree there, popeye---major Hesse fan here! Especially The Glass Bead Game,, but certainly including Siddharta.

Steinbeck's a good choice, though, of course, and absolutely Hemingway!



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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/28/2010 7:50:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Narcissus and Goldmund was my fave Hess book. I didnt love Siddhartha although many did, it was a bit of a rage to read it. Same with Anne Rand, she rubbed me the wrong way fo sho.

Steinbeck ROCKS!!!



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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/28/2010 9:34:14 PM   
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I never liked Catcher in the Rye - Holden is just a whiny punk as far as I'm concerned (yeah, I said it... somebody had to say it).

None-the-less my condolences to his family and friends.

What Marc said.


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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/28/2010 9:49:12 PM   
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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/28/2010 9:50:17 PM   
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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/28/2010 10:19:58 PM   
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when I was out in the woods skipping school. And I liked Hemingway's stuff and quite a few others.


Wow. Although I knew theoreticaly that they had to exist, I never thought I'd actually meet someone as nerdy (although I prefered to think of it as "enlightened") as me and actually skip school to read books in the woods.

Thoreau, Verne, Cooper, Herbert and Asimov were my choices.

As far as the ones that school assigned, Lord of the Flies and 1984 were my favorites.

For sleeping aid, I nominate Moby Dick. "Oh look, yet another page about whale blubber."

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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/28/2010 10:26:28 PM   
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We'll alert the literature critics.


Ultimately, the only literature critic that counts is the person reading the book.

Face the facts - the entire book is listening to this kid bitch and moan. Stupid twit didn't even know what to do with a prostitute. I just wanted to slap him and say, "quite your bellyaching and get your punk ass back to school!"

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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 7:46:40 AM   
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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 8:12:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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We'll alert the literature critics.


Ultimately, the only literature critic that counts is the person reading the book.

Face the facts - the entire book is listening to this kid bitch and moan. Stupid twit didn't even know what to do with a prostitute. I just wanted to slap him and say, "quite your bellyaching and get your punk ass back to school!"


That wasn't the point. Since you want to make an issue of it, I'll be more blunt.

Like who you want. Read what you want. Fine. I'd agree with you there. A lot of the trouble here is that books (like Melville) are presented in High School and our entire impression and evaluation of them is forever frozen in adolescent reaction. But that's not the point.

To come on to a thread posted as a farewell to a recently deceased author, one whether you like one book is one of the recognized literary geniuses of the century, one filled with condolences by fans, just to point out you didn't like the one book you read, is to be a deliberate asshole.

Thanks so much for sharing. Fuck you. Or watch Franny and Zooey--they made it into a movie, so you won't have to read.



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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 8:18:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		They made us read Silas Marner in High School. It is the second worst book I have ever read and I read probably 200-300 books a year.

I have no recollection of the lessons it was supposed to be teaching Me. All i remember is it sucking soooooo badly.

Incidentally the worst book I almost read was Ulysses. I have tried 3 times to read it. I remain convinced that no one has ever actually read the whole thing...:)

I have read most of Salinger and I find him interesting. I think perhaps the mystique over shadows the writing though

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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 8:25:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Word up on Silas Marner--Ethan Fromm too. Those are forever ruined, I'm afraid, until I can one day overcome the trauma that pretended it was education. Mine happen on the side too, read read read read read.

I love Joyce...OK, I don't understand Finnegan's Wake, but the rest of it. Difficult read, but awesome, incredible writing.

Now that I know more about how teachers are prepared...I suspect that much of the time we were being taught literature by people who didn't really have all that good a grasp on it themselves.

Certainly that doesn't apply across the board. But probably more often than we'd like.

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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 9:38:16 AM   
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That wasn't the point. Since you want to make an issue of it, I'll be more blunt.


You are the one who made an issue of it with your snide, pompous, and totally uncalled for, “We’ll alert the literature critics” remark.

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Like who you want. Read what you want. Fine. I'd agree with you there. A lot of the trouble here is that books (like Melville) are presented in High School and our entire impression and evaluation of them is forever frozen in adolescent reaction. But that's not the point.


That’s probably true but since I first read Catcher in the Rye about three years ago it doesn’t really apply to me does it?  In your arrogant self conceit did you presume that I had not read it since my teen years?  Why would you make such a presumption?  Based upon this and previous posts of yours the answer is becoming clear: you regard anyone who disagrees with you on anything to be inferior to you and not worthy of any respect.

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To come on to a thread posted as a farewell to a recently deceased author, one whether you like one book is one of the recognized literary geniuses of the century, one filled with condolences by fans, just to point out you didn't like the one book you read, is to be a deliberate asshole.


If you had read my first post in this thread you would have seen that I did not come on this thread just to criticize the novel.  If you are going to malign my character at least make it about one of my legitimate faults – otherwise, I cordially invite you to fornicate yourself with a rusty iron shaft.

[NOTE: a “fault” is an imperfection that us normal, lump in the mud, human beings have.  The concept is probably beyond the ken of someone as morally and intellectually superior as yourself.]

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Thanks so much for sharing. Fuck you. Or watch Franny and Zooey--they made it into a movie, so you won't have to read.


God!  You really are in love with yourself, aren’t you?

Upon further reflection I withdraw my invitation to go fornicate yourself.  I think you would enjoy it far too much and you would probably expect the iron shaft to be put on display in the Smithsonian afterwards.

Instead I invite you to climb down from that high marble pedestal that you have built for yourself and actually spend some time with normal people (if you would so deign) and then maybe – just maybe – you would learn a little humility, grow up, and start to resemble a decent human being.   

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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 9:45:51 AM   
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Thanks for sharing.

The rest of us will look forward to seeing what Salinger has been writing for the past 50 years.

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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 9:59:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fuckin' Panda.... can't even start a nice J.D. Salinger thread.


Bastard!

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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 10:02:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Panda's just hoping Salinger wrote a nice Western somewhere in there, and that it will be made into a classic film...



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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 10:06:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL.... a Salinger western?   I want  Joyce musical/comedy



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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 10:07:00 AM   
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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 10:12:50 AM   
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LOL.... a Salinger western?   I want  Joyce musical/comedy




Having seen a T.S. Eliot and a Victor Hugo musical, I don't see why not....

Soundheim no doubt could come up with interesting songs for it.

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RE: So Long, J. D. Salinger - 1/29/2010 10:33:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I love JD Salinger even if no one else does. I loved Seymour, An Introduction, (part of the same book with another great short Raise High the Roofbeam Carpenter, also good reading) ripped the heart right out of my chest, threw it down, danced the polka on it and left me gasping for another story possibly named, Seymour, Now Ya Know Him Better. Not sure if that will be in his unpublished works, I hope so.

I loved they way he described his life on the Upper West side with all brothers and sisters throughout his books. I love the way he writes (as we will be seeing more apparently).

That olde English is hard to read for me. Chaucer etc, whoa man.

I love to read.

Been finding Canadian literature on my night table. I get my books out of the library, not a bookstore. Canadian writing has a tendency to be so, what is the word? Kind of like depressing, really revealing and unglamorous.

Panda thanks for starting the thread, better you dan me.

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