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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 9:10:05 AM   
lally2


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"you can make a choice, end it...the punishment and the relationship... or.... realize how incredibly lucky you are to be punished, and be in my life."
Wow...there's some arrogance.

In your shoes, I would have chosen to end it. You're focused on something totally different than I am, but they'd be huge to me: 1) He's called you a liar. 2) He thinks he gets to change the dynamic of an agreed upon relationship upon his whim.


but this is a Master/slave relationship, changing the dynamic is his perogative, essentially he does not have to tell her anything about any changes. she has accepted being 'slave' without question, which would suggest that in the back of her mind she was at least prepared for that or she would have questioned that part of the change. - thats one angle.

the angle id explore is how after just three months and one RL encounter he felt that leap would work out for her. in her profile she clearly states that she has her own mind and opinions and she does not want to be with anyone who does not respect that. but who am i to say - she took that punishment without turning the fiest on him. so maybe she is more slave material than she appears to be on her profile and he has tapped into that.

in the end we dont know why he got angry. no excuse for losing it, but even so. she states she likes to push, had she been, was she pushing him so hard he turned the screws on.

the thing is its easy to critisize someone out of context and from just one perspective, hers. im not taking his side at all, but we havent really heard from the OP why he upped the anti. it might be relevant to this situation is all im saying, considering the tone of her profile before she changed it yesterday.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 9:22:24 AM   
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I know there are always at least 2 sides to everything.
I can only address what is presented here.

My questions are born from a desire to understand and not intended as Dom-bashing.

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I havent been with my Dom for too long now (about 1 month)
I feel like I just cant please him, Im always messing up.

Just because his training methods worked well on his other subs does not mean they will work on you.

He told me that no longer will he train me as his sub, but now I am going to be trained as a piece of property, His slave.

If you agreed to be in a relationship as his sub, then that decision is as much yours as his.

He told me that I have a "princess" attitude and seem to have a sense of entitlement, that he plans to rid me of.

Is this something he has addressed with you before?
If it was an issue for him and he never told you and is not providing you with specific examples, then how could you have attempted to change your behavior?


Its not that I feel like he owes me anything, but from everything I have read here, most of the subs/slaves here are cared for and their needs are at least listened to.

Some relationships are not structured based on a caring dynamic, but again mutual expectations should have been discussed.

You have spent quite a bit of time in conversation, but I don't really have a strong sense that either of you has an understanding of what the other is looking for in this relationship.

I do want/need to serve him, but i cant do it if he's always going to be this tough on me. :(

Why do you want/need to serve this man? What attracts you to that? What is it about his personality or his personal values that convinced you that he is worthy of your trust and desire to serve him.





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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 9:32:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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"you can make a choice, end it...the punishment and the relationship... or.... realize how incredibly lucky you are to be punished, and be in my life."
Wow...there's some arrogance.

In your shoes, I would have chosen to end it. You're focused on something totally different than I am, but they'd be huge to me: 1) He's called you a liar. 2) He thinks he gets to change the dynamic of an agreed upon relationship upon his whim.


but this is a Master/slave relationship, changing the dynamic is his perogative, essentially he does not have to tell her anything about any changes. she has accepted being 'slave' without question, which would suggest that in the back of her mind she was at least prepared for that or she would have questioned that part of the change. - thats one angle.

>>lally,
This is what she wrote:
"He told me that no longer will he train me as his sub, but now I am going to be trained as a piece of property, His slave."
Unless I am interpreting this wrong, he informed her of this change (either before or after) in conjunction with his punishment of her.

the angle id explore is how after just three months and one RL encounter he felt that leap would work out for her. in her profile she clearly states that she has her own mind and opinions and she does not want to be with anyone who does not respect that. but who am i to say - she took that punishment without turning the fiest on him. so maybe she is more slave material than she appears to be on her profile and he has tapped into that.

in the end we dont know why he got angry. no excuse for losing it, but even so. she states she likes to push, had she been, was she pushing him so hard he turned the screws on.

>>We don't know why he got angry that is true, but it sounds like he did not give her a clear explanation as to the reason.
If she had an attitude that displeased him, then he should have addressed the issue.

the thing is its easy to critisize someone out of context and from just one perspective, hers. im not taking his side at all, but we havent really heard from the OP why he upped the anti. it might be relevant to this situation is all im saying, considering the tone of her profile before she changed it yesterday.



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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 9:34:07 AM   
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...she has accepted being 'slave' without question...


if so, then what's the point of this thread?

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 9:41:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: TapedxCookie


"you can make a choice, end it...the punishment and the relationship... or.... realize how incredibly lucky you are to be punished, and be in my life."
Wow...there's some arrogance.

In your shoes, I would have chosen to end it. You're focused on something totally different than I am, but they'd be huge to me: 1) He's called you a liar. 2) He thinks he gets to change the dynamic of an agreed upon relationship upon his whim.


but this is a Master/slave relationship, changing the dynamic is his perogative, essentially he does not have to tell her anything about any changes.


According to her the relationship was "sub" not "slave"...

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He told me that no longer will he train me as his sub, but now I am going to be trained as a piece of property, His slave.[/quote]

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ORIGINAL: lally2
which would suggest that in the back of her mind she was at least prepared for that or she would have questioned that part of the change. - thats one angle.
The other angle is that she was distressed and shocked. But regardless, she's here asking about the situation which indicates to me that she's not alright with everything that happened.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 9:41:50 AM   
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"you can make a choice, end it...the punishment and the relationship... or.... realize how incredibly lucky you are to be punished, and be in my life."


essentially what he's saying here is if you cant take what i give out then there is no dynamic. if you cant be 'glad' that i am interested enough in you and the possibilities between us that i am prepared to punish you when you get it wrong, then we have no dynamic.

if a slave or submissive refuses to accept discipline or punishment from her Dominant, particularly when she has clearly stated she needs punishment and discipline, but not THAT sort of punishment who is dictating what and to whom. i dont see that as tenable at all.

i just have a sneaking suspicion that she got what she was pushing for, only it wasnt 'funishment' and she got a taste of another side of his personality she hadnt seen before. maybe a good thing, hopefully itll have helped her sort out a few things in her head.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 9:51:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: lally2


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: TapedxCookie


"you can make a choice, end it...the punishment and the relationship... or.... realize how incredibly lucky you are to be punished, and be in my life."
Wow...there's some arrogance.

In your shoes, I would have chosen to end it. You're focused on something totally different than I am, but they'd be huge to me: 1) He's called you a liar. 2) He thinks he gets to change the dynamic of an agreed upon relationship upon his whim.


but this is a Master/slave relationship, changing the dynamic is his perogative, essentially he does not have to tell her anything about any changes.


According to her the relationship was "sub" not "slave"...

quote:



He told me that no longer will he train me as his sub, but now I am going to be trained as a piece of property, His slave.[/quote]

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ORIGINAL: lally2
which would suggest that in the back of her mind she was at least prepared for that or she would have questioned that part of the change. - thats one angle.
The other angle is that she was distressed and shocked. But regardless, she's here asking about the situation which indicates to me that she's not alright with everything that happened.



no clearly she isnt, or wasnt, she's gone a bit quiet now. maybe theyre talking it through.

im not sure about you but when im shocked and distressed and someone then throws me a wide ball like that the tendancy is for me to throw all my toys out of the pram and have a good tantrum. she didnt. the only reason that i can think of, given that she clearly states that she has her own opinions and wont be pushed around, is that she accepted or had already partially accepted it. also she was fearful of his temper and that he might start punishing her again. this was cyber, they are 3 months into the relationship only - what was it exactly that kept her nose to the wall and what was it that made her fearful of having to go through the punishment again - submission, pure and simple, his power over her, and some power too, to keep her there for that long.

im just saying we have her side but not his and we dont know what led up to this and she's changed her profile, whilst still in this relationship?? - how does it matter what she puts in her profile with respect to him when they have already started the relationship with a strong punishment dynamic going on as its premis.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 10:01:08 AM   
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...she has accepted being 'slave' without question...


if so, then what's the point of this thread?


im not sure - i think she'd had a horrible time and was trying to make sense of it in the context of a relationship she thought she had but was then thrown into something she wasnt prepared for.

all im arguing is that there might be a fine line between what she projected she wanted and engineered up to a point and how he translated that into what he wanted.

i dont think anyone is to blame here, just maybe there has been some crossed wires from both sides.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 10:15:50 AM   
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i think she'd had a horrible time and was trying to make sense of it in the context of a relationship she thought she had


exactly. she thought she had a relationship where she was the "submissive" partner. HE changed gears and announced what she would be treated as/trained for...which is something that she didn't sign up for...hence, the confusion and this post. that's quite the stark contrast to accepting her role as His slave...without question

perhaps it is just this slave...but there is a BIG difference between what she signed up for and the role she is now expected to fulfill, just because HE decided to change the dynamic parameters, which, in this slave's humble opinion, is something that BOTH partner's agree to...not the way it went down as the OP describes.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 11:03:36 AM   
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im not sure about you but when im shocked and distressed and someone then throws me a wide ball like that the tendancy is for me to throw all my toys out of the pram and have a good tantrum.
Which is the exact opposite me. I clam up and withdraw until I can process everything. So, I wouldn't have said anything at that moment either, but wouldn't mean that I was down with him changing the dynamic without a discussion.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 11:35:54 AM   
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i think she'd had a horrible time and was trying to make sense of it in the context of a relationship she thought she had


exactly. she thought she had a relationship where she was the "submissive" partner. HE changed gears and announced what she would be treated as/trained for...which is something that she didn't sign up for...hence, the confusion and this post. that's quite the stark contrast to accepting her role as His slave...without question

perhaps it is just this slave...but there is a BIG difference between what she signed up for and the role she is now expected to fulfill, just because HE decided to change the dynamic parameters, which, in this slave's humble opinion, is something that BOTH partner's agree to...not the way it went down as the OP describes.



i completely agree with you, in earlier posts i said pretty much that she needed to get things cleared up with him. but the actual start to this thread was about the punishment and how she felt about it. the slave thing didnt come along until later on in the thread.

and i agree that his change of tack under a new managment perspective was wrong and his use of the word 'vendetta' was troubling. keeping her in a stress position for over an hour was excessive.

never at any point have i said that his behaviour was acceptable, im simply trying to look at both sides of this and read between the lines.

she has said that she wants a hard task master, a strong man, someone who will punish her and that she will push for that punishment - presumably he is trying to get her past the manipulative stage of vying for punishment, which is really just going around in circles in a sort of 'do me' kind of a way. personally i think they have a mismatch. if he doesnt enjoy or relish the play aspect of funishment then he needs to find another sub and she needs to find someone who does. but to trash the guy for trying to bring her to order is basically saying that a Dominant does not have the right to exert the dynamic he was given freedom to apply. ie., the freedom to punish.

that he went about it all wrong isnt up for discussion really, we can all see that. im trying to look at what happened and why, to broaden the discussion. basically though he has told her that she either accepts how it is or walks, i dont think she is, i think she wants to see if she can work it out with him. which suggests also, that she is otherwise happy with him..

im probably wrong, but i see this as a 'do me this way' sort of a thing going awry. she doesnt want to be done the way he did it and thats what this thread was all about. its changed along the way as she herself saw that she had misrepresented herself and changed her profile. in fact she doesnt want punishment, she wants funishment.

but again, what he did and how he did it was wrong and i have never said otherwise.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 1:22:03 PM   
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...the slave thing didnt come along until later on in the thread...


disagree...as this snip is from post #1.

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...He told me that no longer will he train me as his sub, but now I am going to be trained as a piece of property, His slave...


quote:

...but to trash the guy for trying to bring her to order is basically saying that a Dominant does not have the right to exert the dynamic he was given freedom to apply. ie., the freedom to punish...


the way this slave has been reading it, she didn't sign up to be his slave/owned property...she signed up to be his submissive. not a big difference to some folks, but to others...it is the difference between fulfilled and miserable.

according to the OP's very own words, HE decided to change the dynamic...not THEY...and that's pretty lame, if not underhanded and a whole bunch of other descriptive words.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 1:58:38 PM   
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As pointed out the "now you will be trained as a slave" thing was mentioned in the first post. But the other thing is that they have only been talking on line for a couple, maybe three months, and have only met in person just once. And even during that first real time meeting, he pushed her all the way to her safeword. In my opinion, that is pushing things pretty far for a first meeting.

All the other things he is saying, with the "realize how lucky you are" comes across so wrong to me.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 2:06:07 PM   
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I am feeling MUCH better now about things.
I do wish to remain with my Dom, but do understand that we need to talk about what happened some more as I still have a few questions/issues that I need to clear the air about with him.
One of the things we discussed and agreed 100% on last night when we talked was that we absolutely do not want me submitting out of fear.
We also agreed that the punishment shouldn't have happened when it did. He said that he would have MUCH preferred for me to have been there with him where he could have seen to my safety. It was a poor call on both of our parts. He said "it wasn't a good situation, period. last night was me not at my best and you pushing every hot button you could find." About me pushing every hot button I could find, I do see that now. I know that he requires certain protocol when I answer his questions, and I didn't follow that protocol. I didn't have the presence of mind with all of the stress I was in. For example, when he said "Keep your elbows off of that ledge" I should have said "Yes Sir, I will keep them off the ledge. I did not have my elbows on the ledge" instead, i went into a defensive mode with "My elbows aren't on the ledge Sir" He said that I wasn't infact punished for having my elbows on the ledge, He was just reminding me not to put them there (even though his reminder was harsh)
This is his rule for communication protocol, in his own words "you need to give me my answer first. I've told you this...yes/no...then explain... but don't over explain ...and DEFINITELY keep your mouth shut when it comes to minutia during punishment"
Now that I have had some time to rest and think through what happened, I remembered one thing that I can take comfort in. When I was in the stress position, i had to hold the phone with my shoulder, at one point, the phone was slipping and I had asked him if I could move my arm to readjust the phone. He said no, and eventually, the phone fell on the bed, but I didn't make a move to pick it up untill I heard him tell me to. When I picked up the phone he told me he was very proud that I didn't move a muscle untill he told me to, he praised me briefly on my obedience.

Here is another thing he told me that makes me feel a bit better. "but you did actually endure last night. you did something beyond what you thought yourself capable, well beyond, you need to also take stock of that, and realize how much you will do in the future to prevent being punished. how important obedience is."

I still haven't made any concrete decisions, we need to talk more about how my physical, mental, and emotional safety comes into play. I need to know that it is a priority for him. When we first began talking, one of the things he said was "I will hurt you on occasion, but I will not damage you" (yes, he is a sadistic man, but thats okay, we are finding out that i tend to be masochistic)

ETA- yes, he did push me to my safeword, but I really did enjoy it, and was even saddened when the marks the cane left faded. I think we were testing my pain limits, which is something I am definatly interested in. Next time, i will be able to take more pain that I did the first time, and so on.


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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 2:23:40 PM   
lally2


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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...the slave thing didnt come along until later on in the thread...


disagree...as this snip is from post #1.

quote:

...He told me that no longer will he train me as his sub, but now I am going to be trained as a piece of property, His slave...


quote:

...but to trash the guy for trying to bring her to order is basically saying that a Dominant does not have the right to exert the dynamic he was given freedom to apply. ie., the freedom to punish...


the way this slave has been reading it, she didn't sign up to be his slave/owned property...she signed up to be his submissive. not a big difference to some folks, but to others...it is the difference between fulfilled and miserable.

according to the OP's very own words, HE decided to change the dynamic...not THEY...and that's pretty lame, if not underhanded and a whole bunch of other descriptive words.



ok,

i spose i was just exploring the argument that if you say you want to be punished as a strong element of youre relationship then when punishment comes you better be ready for something unpleasant. her previous profile was actually quite provocative in how she represented herself. if she had said she likes to be playful and play up and get spanked as punishment she might never have attracted this guy in the first place.

but - its the fact that he changed their dynamic and used that to push her unfairly into a miserable situation that left her feeling battered, physically and emotionally that does stand out here.

the second line of the OP is quite telling too. it says basically, that she just cant please the guy. that kinda suggests to me even more that he is there for the punishment and is contriving to create punishments at every opportunity.

sorry, im still a bit stuck on that - but i do concede youre points completely.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 2:47:29 PM   
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 I've avoided saying anything about the *punishment* ITSELF.  That's down to the pair of them. They don't KNOW each other...and he might be a total prat, clueless etc.  but my owner isn't, and I've endured/suffered/ accepted worse.

The OP is resentful ...... that is the biggest poo of all.  They got together, it was wonderful .... until it wasn't. It's a very short time in which to be resenting things.

All it does is highlight the fact that it's an idea to just to get to know the person attached to the label.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 3:05:13 PM   
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...I am feeling MUCH better now about things...


that's great news!

personally, this slave can't relate to your situation whatsoever, but that's not the point...point is, you are communicating with your partner and that is what matters...not if random folk on a message board think he's lacking any kind of integrity, moving too fast or whatever.

best wishes to you.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 4:12:28 PM   
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I am glad that you two are talking and trying to figure things out. I hope all goes well for you, but at the same time, you might want to slow down just a bit as you get to know each other better. It really has been a short time.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 5:12:10 PM   
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As pointed out the "now you will be trained as a slave" thing was mentioned in the first post. But the other thing is that they have only been talking on line for a couple, maybe three months, and have only met in person just once. And even during that first real time meeting, he pushed her all the way to her safeword. In my opinion, that is pushing things pretty far for a first meeting.



From my own experiences, I have to approach a couple of things here that I have kept quiet on so far.  The first is the apparent change in dynamics.  I came into my current relationship as probably at best a bottom with some submissive tendancies.  At least, that's how I approached the relationship and any play or domination/submission that occured.  Some people on these boards will remember when the word "slave" came up in a serious manner pushing a year ago now.  Those who remember also remember that I was not handling it very well and really fighting that label.  Upon finally getting to the heart of the matter, what I discovered was that it really changed nothing in how we were already relating because I was already responding to him in the ways he expected a slave to do and he had always interacted with me as a slave without my being aware.  In the end, what I understood is that the label didn't actually matter.  I prided myself on not accepting labels, but when it came time for someone to mess with my self adhered label, it was amazing how much stock I was really putting into it.  He wanted control of everything.  I wanted to give that to him.  That meant I had to let go of the safety of my label too.  My best guess is that the dominant in question relates to the OP as a slave and now want to make that designation official.  I doubt there is much changing that has to occur.  That is a point of discussion between the two of them, however, just as it was for us.  I can only speculate of course, but it is a different perspective.

As far as pushing to the safeword at the first session, I don't know that that really sends up red flags for me.  I didn't safeword, mostly because I really didn't want or felt I needed it, and he had broken out the canes at our first visit.  I was pushed very hard.  He did want to have some idea what my limitations were.  They didn't matter to him, but he was getting to know yet another aspect of me.  This is all a part of feeling a partner out from the dominant side.  I wouldn't push that far intentionally the first time because it may set up a distrust that will be hard to undo.  In their case, it doesn't seem it did.  This punishment, however, did. 

Some of the things he said in the heat of the moment sound absolutely awful.  I would like to see him develop a better handle on himself.  He damaged your trust, OP.  That's never a good thing.  Does he plan to work on this aspect of himself?  I would definitely want him to have better self management if he had control over my body and well being.  I don't mean to be nasty, but I have been down the road of folks with a lacking in this area too many times in my life.

It sounds like you are both working through this incident and it looks like you plan to move forward.  That is a good thing, but it is also something to be done with an abundance of caution until he has been able to reestablish your trust and shows signs maturing in this area of self control.  I wish you the best!  Be smart.  Be safe.  And always take good care of yourself and those you care about.

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RE: HELP! Im not sure what to do! please! - 2/2/2010 8:31:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovingpet
Some of the things he said in the heat of the moment sound absolutely awful.  I would like to see him develop a better handle on himself.  He damaged your trust, OP.  That's never a good thing.  Does he plan to work on this aspect of himself?  I would definitely want him to have better self management if he had control over my body and well being.  I don't mean to be nasty, but I have been down the road of folks with a lacking in this area too many times in my life.


What he said in the heat of the moment concerns me, but also that even though he admits he might have behaved badly, he still is placing a great deal of the fault on her, claiming she was pushing his buttons. Maybe she was, I don't know. What I do know though is that that is a major trait of an abuser, to tell the one they abuse that they "made them do it."

I'm not saying that IS what is going on, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it either. The OP is young, this is her first D/s relationship and those two things together make it very easy to convince someone that things are their fault.

I'm not saying that she should kick the guy to the curb. I do believe that given all the events put together, real time only once, going as far as possible during that time, losing control with the punishment and not being there to provide after care, the whole "vendetta" thing, etc., that it might be in the best interests of both to slow down a bit until they can communicate a little better.

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