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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Not really. A municipality can make almost any rule they wish. Home owners associations even more so.

If you live someplace the onus is on you to be aware of any laws or building codes.


Jeff

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

free to leave?

you got to be joking.  no country in the right mind would want a loud mouthed American to come crashing their space.


free to leave.   gag me.

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Gesundheit

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

It is pretty obvious that I should just stick to the lovey-dovey stuff and not post anything within the forum that tends to rile the masses. Also pretty apparent some of you feel that others are not entitled to think or feel any differently than yourselves. Simply amazing to me.

I didn't notice any posts in which people were telling you that you didn't have the right to think whatever you like. I noticed a lot of posts disagreeing with you, and pointing out flaws in your logic, but I didn't see anyone telling you that you didn't have the right to think what you think.

But I think your misinterpretation of what people are saying is indicative of the larger problem - you seem to have a hard time understanding things as they are. You seem to think in absolute terms, without any consideration for context, and to interpret things, even relatively simple things, very differently than most other people. Both of which are perfectly fine, but it tends to raise a lot of barriers to effective, productive communication.

That post you made just before this one, where you listed a long string of what you consider to be unreasonable government regulation - that's a good example of what I'm talking about. There are examples that support your point, examples that do not, and examples that are just plain ludicrous. Your apparent inability to distinguish between reasonable and appropriate government regulation, and unreasonable and inappropriate government regulation, torpedoes your whole argument.

A lot of us - most of us, in fact - agree with your central premise that there's a lot wrong with our government. And most of us don't trust the government  any more than you do. But we find it difficult to agree with your argument, because all the bullshit you throw out along with the good information just obscures your whole point. I wonder if you realize how much you contradict yourself. You're just dumping  a whole bunch of shit out there and telling us, "Here. You guys sort through this and find the stuff that makes sense. It's not my problem." Pretty much the same as the arguments you threw out there in the 9/11 thread. That's not how you build a solid argument. so please don't be surprised or offended if we aren't persuaded by it.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

That was a joke..... at eyesopened.   satire..... dude LIGHTEN the fuck UP!

Jeff

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well, since the idea is to be fragile here, I guess; from the outset you impugned folkses cognizance wholesale, and misconceived the subject, in that your subject intimates that solar by itself is against statute or ordinance.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

That was a joke..... at eyesopened.   satire..... dude LIGHTEN the fuck UP!

Jeff

Sorry, didn't see that you were talking to her. I just assumed it was directed towards me.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

That was a joke..... at eyesopened.   satire..... dude LIGHTEN the fuck UP!

Jeff

Sorry, didn't see that you were talking to her. I just assumed it was directed towards me.

Sorry here too. 

Look, as I see it, tyranny is a direct result of apathy.  You don't want tyranny, get involved in your local government!  People, ordinary citizens, actually do effect change.

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So, Hey!!! you fucked up!!!!! you trusted us!!!!! We will perhaps have a better future posting history, but really, no harm, no foul.

Points were made, lost, and ignored.....netargs.


Ron

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Eh, I am a dart thrower, at least. And that ain't ever likely to change, but you ask around here, they'll tell you, nothing personal, it's just business.

Don Corleone

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It was just a joke eyes....:)

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While I am normally opposed to ad hominem attacks, there comes a point where the possibility of intelligent debate no longer exists.

"Government, always and everywhere, is theft and violence, nothing more.  In the extremely rare case where government actually benefits some individual, it does so by stealing from a far greater number.  The net benefit is always negative. 

Government is never liable, never responsible, never helpful.  It steals and kills.  It's very good at those activities.  End of story."

Clearly, your posts show the alarming deficiencies of our educational system since you have no grasp of history, economics, current events, or rational reasoning.  From my perspective you are like the poor deluded boob who purchases the Brooklyn Bridge and is run over by a truck while waving a piece of paper and screaming- "Get off my bridge!"

To spell it out for you.....

The Neocon philosophy which you espouse "Government is always the problem." is an argument for fascism in a democracy.  Since we do have what at least used to be something of a representative government- if the government is a problem, that means you have an issue with your neighbors.  To whit, they are ignoramuses and shouldn't be allowed to run the show, but you, in your vast wisdom, will rescue them from their ignorance.  Fascists are very noble that way.  Your sentiments are shared amongst such beneficent luminaries as Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Hideki Tojo.

Your knowledge of history shows an amazing ignorance of facts.  Civilization is optional, and by no means wins out over barbarism automatically.  See the period of the dark ages in Europe, the success of Genghis Khan in spreading his seed through Asia, and the nihilistic call to martyrdom of the Al Queda and the Taliban.  There are plenty of alternatives to government.

Why did the neocons espouse this philosophy that government was always evil?  May I suggest you follow the money?  The very same people who protested volubly about the failures of government regardless of whether they ran the show or not have lined their pockets at our expense.  Their none too subtle plan was to "bankrupt the beast".  There never was any grand design amongst the neocons to replace our government with anything better- at least anything that anyone dared publish.  My guess is that the neocons figured that if they could bankrupt our current government, then they'd be in power because they'd have the money.  What happens at that point is anybody's guess.  They've nearly done it, and they might still succeed.  We're tottering on the brink of depression- were it not for the actions of the recent administration to rescue the banks, there would have been bank runs and a financial collapse.  I think Obama had to bail out the banks- the options were far worse- but there needs to be accountability and that bugaboo of neocons- regulation- similar to what was enacted in the 1930s and repealed in the 1990 to present day.

The people who designed our system of government were no dummies.  One of the most important checks on the corruption that is endemic in any form of government is a free press, to allow the corruption to be exposed and the wrongdoers punished.  But the neocons have dismantled our free press with their cries of "deregulation" and "free market".  At this point, we no longer have a free press, we have corporate propaganda of a few different flavors.  Further ensuring the demise of the free press was the darling of the neocons, Samuel Alito's decision, that corporate free speech deserves the same protection as the voting citizenry.  Yet corporate speech, with its far vaster resources, has no ethical or practical dilemma in squelching the free speech of the citizens.

You blame the government for the corruption you find in building code inspectors.  I blame you since you clearly had the knowledge- but did not care to share it with your fellow citizens except on this board where it is likely far too little and too late. Why didn't you call a reporter when you found corruption first hand?  If you think that government is always the problem, then it always falls to the other guy to solve your problems for you.

The strength of this country and its real wealth was always the middle class, a well educated and motivated workforce.  Yet the hard won skill set of the middle class has been shipped off as rapidly as it could be crated to China, all to line the pockets of the wealthy.  And this was done with your wholehearted support you blithering idiot!


Sam

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And I'm going to guess that you are still a rather young individual who hasn't yet developed the level of maturity that would enable you to engage in a conversation of this sort without first attacking me. You seem educated, but yet you don't possess good communication skills. That will be all I care to address as far as your remarks here are concerned. I'm through with this thread.