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ThatDamnedPanda -> Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 2:04:06 PM)

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(CNN) -- The medical journal The Lancet on Tuesday retracted a controversial 1998 paper that linked the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine to autism. The study subsequently had been discredited, and last week, the lead author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, was found to have acted unethically in conducting the research. The General Medical Council, which oversees doctors in Britain, said that "there was a biased selection of patients in The Lancet paper" and that his "conduct in this regard was dishonest and irresponsible."


Oops!

So. Now that this fairy tale has been out to rest, how long will it take before we stop hearing this as an excuse for not vaccinating our children?



Jeffff -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 2:16:21 PM)

Good luck with that. People need to believe goofy shit. It gives their lives meaning



ShaharThorne -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 2:33:05 PM)

I am a mom who made sure her kid got those important vaccines.  I never saw anything about the shots affecting my child's mental and emotional attention (now she is a goth sadomachostic teenager).  I even got her the chickenpox vaccine when Medicaid was covering her.  No adverse effects whatsoever.

I am glad this report has been debunked.  The doctor publishing it lives in Austin now, working with children with autism.  He was a gastro doctor anyway.  What research he did was scandelous (taking blood samples at a child's birthday party, paying for more samples).  I hope that the AMA will further discredit this fraud.



pahunkboy -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 3:58:08 PM)

Why isn't this in random stupidness?


Adjunvants are never good to inject into the body.  The story is a farce.   Part of the depopulation agenda.



philosophy -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 4:06:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

   Part of the depopulation agenda.




..for gods sake Pa, get back on the meds, or at least speak to someone who isn't clinically paranoid.



pahunkboy -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 4:14:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

  Part of the depopulation agenda.




..for gods sake Pa, get back on the meds, or at least speak to someone who isn't clinically paranoid.


http://www.google.com/search?q=depopulation%20agenda




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 4:19:13 PM)

The sad fact is the numbers of children with measles and mumps has gone up since the doubts were first cast. People shouldn't still be suffering from preventable diseases in this day and age. Could you imagine if all this fuss had been caused over the smallpox vaccination, in some ways the world has evolved since then and in others ignorance has taken over.



DomKen -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 4:54:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Why isn't this in random stupidness?


Adjunvants are never good to inject into the body.  The story is a farce.   Part of the depopulation agenda.


Do you not understand that without immunizations tens of thousands more children would die in the US every year? Vaccines are not part of any agenda involving depopulation.



philosophy -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 5:02:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: philosophy



..for gods sake Pa, get back on the meds, or at least speak to someone who isn't clinically paranoid.


http://www.google.com/search?q=depopulation%20agenda





....for fucks sake Pa, did you even look at that list?

So, according to you, feminism is an evil plot to depopulate the earth?



BeingChewsie -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 5:25:42 PM)

Actually it isn't even just the children, the WHO estimates that a drop in vaccination rates below 93-95% of the population will reduce our herd immunity, in other words it impacts all of us negatively.

Fears of autism or autism spectrum disorders are just one reason parents give for not vaccinating their children, it is by no means the only reason they choose not too. Education, education, education is the best way to combat this out in the community.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Why isn't this in random stupidness?


Adjunvants are never good to inject into the body.  The story is a farce.   Part of the depopulation agenda.


Do you not understand that without immunizations tens of thousands more children would die in the US every year? Vaccines are not part of any agenda involving depopulation.



pahunkboy -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 6:02:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: philosophy



..for gods sake Pa, get back on the meds, or at least speak to someone who isn't clinically paranoid.


http://www.google.com/search?q=depopulation%20agenda





....for fucks sake Pa, did you even look at that list?

So, according to you, feminism is an evil plot to depopulate the earth?



it goes with the 80 year cycle.



tazzygirl -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 7:37:40 PM)

pa, clinically speaking, the more people who dont get immunized, the higher the risk of an outbreak. Now, add to this fact the number of people with diseases that do NOT allow them to get immunizations... those with aids... those who are on immunosuppressions for things such as transplants.

This is a man who took blood samples of "normal children" from kids they invited to a birthday party for their daughter. No one has been able to duplicate his findings, which is a requirement for a test to stand up on its own in the scientific community.

I feel for the parents who were lied too. Those who convinced themselves that their child's autism was caused by a shot. No parent ever wants to believe that there is no cause for the problems their children may inherit. But, sometimes, its just that. These parents latched onto this belief that the MMR caused their childrens autism. And no proof has ever been given. Yet, how many adults and children have these parents placed at severe risk by refusing to believe the medical community and, instead, believing this one man. If ANYONE has a reason to be angry, it would be those people these parents placed at risk because they could not bare to believe no OUTSIDE source caused their childs autism.



MzMia -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 7:46:52 PM)

I tell you what, this topic is near and dear to me, for a variety of reasons.
There MAY no be a link to the vaccine and Autism, but with the ever increasing
number of children being diagnosed with Autism, I believe there is some environmental
correlation.
 
I believe there is an environmental factor that may "cause" or "trigger" Autism.
The rates of children being born with Autism, is growing at an alarming rate, it is an
epidemic.
I hope they find out what causes or triggers "Autism" in my lifetime.
 
Autism Numbers Are Rising. The Question is Why? - TIME


AGE OF AUTISM: February 2010



pahunkboy -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 8:02:25 PM)

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/02/med-schools-not-responding-to-ghostwriting-scandals.ars

Interesting blurb about pharma ghostwriting - again.



DomKen -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 9:03:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I tell you what, this topic is near and dear to me, for a variety of reasons.
There MAY no be a link to the vaccine and Autism, but with the ever increasing
number of children being diagnosed with Autism, I believe there is some environmental
correlation.
 
I believe there is an environmental factor that may "cause" or "trigger" Autism.
The rates of children being born with Autism, is growing at an alarming rate, it is an
epidemic.
I hope they find out what causes or triggers "Autism" in my lifetime.
 
Autism Numbers Are Rising. The Question is Why? - TIME


AGE OF AUTISM: February 2010

Actually we're getting close to finding the cause. We have a very strong correlation between age of the father and rate of autism. This strongly suggests some sort of epigenetic change to sperm may be the cause. As the science of evo-devo continues to advance hopefully we will get a very good grip on what is going on.

However it is definitely not vaccines in any way shape or form. The scientific evidence against that claim is now overwhelming.



stef -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 9:03:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Why isn't this in random stupidness?

Probably because unlike the nutjob garbage you always post, it's true.

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Adjunvants are never good to inject into the body.  The story is a farce.   Part of the depopulation agenda.

As the forum rankings so aptly advertise, you're insane.  The only shred of comfort comes from the fact that your insanity will affect no one but yourself.

~stef



tazzygirl -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 9:08:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I tell you what, this topic is near and dear to me, for a variety of reasons.
There MAY no be a link to the vaccine and Autism, but with the ever increasing
number of children being diagnosed with Autism, I believe there is some environmental
correlation.
 
I believe there is an environmental factor that may "cause" or "trigger" Autism.
The rates of children being born with Autism, is growing at an alarming rate, it is an
epidemic.
I hope they find out what causes or triggers "Autism" in my lifetime.
 
Autism Numbers Are Rising. The Question is Why? - TIME


AGE OF AUTISM: February 2010



hi MzMia

i think within the article from Time is part of the answer.

Experts note that the CDC database — the Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring Network (ADDM) — is the closest thing to an ideal measure of autism's prevalence. The data are culled from assessments made by health or developmental professionals, including pediatricians, psychologists and language and speech pathologists. In previous evaluations, autism estimates were based on less reliable parental reporting of symptoms or diagnoses.

and

But as striking as the new figure is, it's not clear how much of the rise reflects a true increase in ASD risk and how much is due simply to improved awareness and diagnosis of the disorders. Increased access to special education classes and other therapies may also be inflating the numbers, as educators and parents enroll more children in hopes of optimizing their learning environment. Indeed, CDC researchers found that among sites where they had access to both health and education records, the prevalence of ASD was higher on average than in sites where only health information was available.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1948842,00.html#ixzz0eRiwoKn8

I am definitely not saying this isnt a problem, and i agree that it needs to be researched in depth, but the spectrum includes more subtle nuances than before. That begs the question.... is there really a rise in numbers or are we getting better at diagnosing?



MzMia -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 9:22:24 PM)

Thanks tazzy, I have heard that maybe the increase in
the number of children being diagnosed, is related to improvements
in awareness and the ability to diagnosis Autism.
 
I can certainly understand how that is a factor, I am just not ready to
rule out some link to environmental factors.
Time will tell!



tazzygirl -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 9:25:24 PM)

I agree. Sadly, this idiot who posted his flawed findings in the Lancet actually did these parents a HUGE disservice. All this time the disease could have been studied properly. Instead, everyone was so grateful they had a solution that they stopped looking at other possible causes.

This link may add extra light to the situation

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1927824,00.html?loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r1:c0.164491:b29439284&xid=Loomia



philosophy -> RE: Lancet Renounces Paper Linking Autism, Vaccine (2/2/2010 9:35:18 PM)

Mz Mia, new reporting is an enormous part of the leasp in diagnoses of autism. This was partially triggered by the growing realisation that autism is not a single problem but is a spectrum disorder. Nowadays people with relatively mild symtoms are being labelled autistic.



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