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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/3/2010 1:40:10 PM   
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I am not subject to the left/right paradigm.    Coke, Pepsi, Pepsi, Coke. Same thing.

I could take that argument a lot more seriously if you weren't taking a hard right stance most times you open your mouth on here, I'm afraid. Your stance reminds me a lot more of "independents" like Rush Limbaugh than somebody without any political affiliation.
(There's been a lot more right leaning independents about since the last election, I've noticed. Funny that.)



What you say- is that I do not fit into a box.



No, you and many of our other "Independents" here, just don't acknowledge the box you fit in.

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/3/2010 1:48:07 PM   
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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/3/2010 1:48:46 PM   
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And maybe people are finally noticing that Obama is a moderate Democrat, somewhere in the same political field as Johnson, Truman, or Kennedy.



ROFLMAO Roosevelt maybe, but J T or K, not even close. Kennedy was a moderate conservative (fiscal hawk, defense hawk, socially moderate to liberal) and would fit very well in the GOP that Colin Powell envisions.

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/3/2010 1:52:40 PM   
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McCain spent the whole of the '08 election bigging up oil and insisting that there was quite enough oil offshore to meet all America's energy needs for the forseeable future, though. I don't think he agreed with you on that, pahunk.


You obviously werent paying attention. Both he and Palin campaigned on using/developing all alternative energy sources.

On nuclear specifically:

"Sometimes the goals of achieving energy independence and reducing climate change are at odds. Would you, as president, oppose subsidizing technologies that would worsen global warming, even if they would reduce our reliance on foreign oil?

I would certainly give highest priority to those technologies that both reduce greenhouse-gas emissions and reduce our dependence on foreign oil -- including and to a significant degree nuclear power. Nuclear power is going to have to be part of any equation if we're truly going to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions.


How would you address the problem of safely storing and disposing of nuclear waste?

We need to make tough decisions just like the French have, and just like other European countries have: you either store it or you reprocess it. We have the reprocessing capability at the Savannah River Site [in South Carolina], and we also have a place called Yucca Mountain [in Nevada] where I believe we could safely store the nuclear waste. We have the worst of all worlds now. We've got nuclear waste sitting all over America, and we also have not moved forward with the construction of nuclear power plants, which we could do if we would streamline the procedures. Meanwhile, coal-burning power plants are being constructed as we speak.

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/3/2010 3:13:45 PM   
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He is arrogant but he's learning. I think he got swept up in his own hoopla during the election and now that has all come crashing down around him as he struggles in a position he was clearly unprepared for. I was amazed at his "one term president" comment recently. I never thought I'd hear anything like that come from him especially after only one year in the White House. It made me wonder if he is having second thoughts about all of this.



Maybe he should just quit and write a book, he can call it "Going Obama" and then get a job on Fox News.



Maybe he should just take a cue from you and blame someone else to change the subject.


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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/3/2010 3:25:08 PM   
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ROFLMAO Roosevelt maybe, but J T or K, not even close. Kennedy was a moderate conservative (fiscal hawk, defense hawk, socially moderate to liberal) and would fit very well in the GOP that Colin Powell envisions.


Truman proposed a national health care plan much more expansive and broad than anything Obama has proposed; he used the Army to take over the natiuonal railroads during a strike, in effect "soacializing" a major private industry;
Johnson proposed- and passed Medicare, the Civil Rights Act, and many other expansions of the Federal government on a scale not seen since, even by Obama;
Obama has shown himself to be every bit as hawkish as Kennedy, expanding the wars to include Yemen and Somalia, continuing the Bush abandonment of the Geneva Conventions, warrantless wiretapping, and illegal detentions.
All three of those Presidents were very content with a tax system that levied a 90% marginal tax rate on the rich.

So yeah, Obama is right in there with all three of them.

Now is where you present countering evidence....

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/3/2010 3:26:50 PM   
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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/10/2010 7:00:00 AM   
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Probably due to plummeting poll ratings, and the last Senate race in Massachusetts where one of the most liberal states in the country voted for a moderate, I've noticed Obama has already begun to remake himself probably at the direction of his handlers. I seriously doubt he has enough common sense to do it himself, especially considering how arrogant he is.



Probably more along the lines of, I can say i'm for this to mollify part of the country. When the far left bitches about it, i'll just reassure them that the EPA will never allow it to happen. Just like every other god damn position he takes, he votes "present" one way or the other.

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Just a few days ago, he announced that we need nuclear energy to help minimize global warming. Isn't this what McCain and everyone with common sense has been saying? The wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine, so common sense would tell you that wind and solar power is not the answer. Certainly it is part of the equation, but nuclear is the only real answer for the long term especially if they refuse to minimize Immigration, and eliminate Illegal Immigration. www.numbersusa.com

Then today I actually heard him say that government must learn to live within their means. Wow, the shit is really starting to get deep in here now isn't it, as if it wasn't before?

http://babelishere.webs.com

"When the government creates jobs with more spending, they have to take more and more of your paycheck in taxes or pass the debt on to our children which means they are giving billions in interest payments to wealthy people here and abroad and to other countries, not to mention still owing the debt.

When private industry creates jobs, you actually receive a product or a service when they take your money. Now which would you rather have?"


"Any time the government imposes, taxes, fees or penalties on corporations, small businesses, financial institutions, and energy companies; they have no choice but to eventually pass the cost on to the consumer. The same works with multi million dollar lawsuit settlements. Democrats promised you a middle class tax cut in order to get elected, knowing full well that they would get far more money out of you in the long run by blocking tort reform, and passing a multitude of backdoor taxes along with their socialized healthcare."

By the way, Palin is not the answer either. Half of the conservatives won't vote for her since she doesn't have a clue about the necessity for enforcing our Immigration laws. You might as well help spread the word now, otherwise Palin will destroy the election for us again just like McAmnesty did.



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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 11:28:04 AM   
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Obama is NOT a moderate democrat comparable to JFK who declared "we need a nation of minuteman." That claim is utterly rediculous and by claiming that, you pretty much label yourself a lunatic. In fact, he voted with the democratic senate about 96% of the time which is indicative of his liberal nature, and before the election, one think tank had awarded him the most liberal senator in Congress award.

I actually had one person the other day, ask me which taxes Obama has raised? I explained to her that it's not which taxes he has raised so far that matters. What matters is what he will do if unopposed. One can only imagine the nightmarish backdoor taxes he would get through if Congress bowed down to him. The same applies to Bush. Can you imagine that if Congress had given in to Bush and given him everything he wanted, we would have Mexican flags waving in all 50 state capitals, including Washington D.C. eventually.

"Any time the government imposes taxes, fees or penalties on corporations, small businesses, financial institutions, and energy companies; they have no choice but to eventually pass the cost on to the consumer. The same works with multi million dollar lawsuit settlements. Democrats promised you a middle class tax cut in order to get elected, knowing full well that they would get far more money out of you in the long run by blocking tort reform, and passing a multitude of backdoor taxes along with their socialized healthcare."

It's a fact that democrats have blocked us from becoming energy independent ever since they created the department of energy which was supposed to make us energy INdependent.

This page has an excellent synopsis of the failure of their massive program called the Dept. of Energy.  http://babelishere.webs.com/health.html


They have blocked all new nuclear power plants, facilitated almost unlimited population growth from Immigration, and they have prevented oil companies from drilling where they need to claiming that they are protected areas. Well I come from an oil and gas producing state, and I can promise you that in 100 years of drilling, our streams are perfectly clean, except for the one along the Arkansas border, and that is the result of too many chicken farms, which is a direct result of democratic induced overpopulation. Only one time have I heard of someone claiming that their well water was contaminated by drilling.  That's a pretty good record for 100 years.

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 11:37:12 AM   
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By the way JFk didn't support gay marriage or abortion which are 2 of the key hallmarks of a liberal in addition to uncontrolled tax and spend policies. The federal budget was also under control during the JFK administration.

By the way, I'm not against civil unions if each state approves it, but calling it a marriage made in heaven is a little absurd, and giving 2 guys the right to adopt a kid is even more absurd.

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 11:51:21 AM   
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I've never understood this.  Obama has realized that he needs to change and is doing so.  Why are necessary changes of course looked down on?  Why is pushing the country determinedly along a failed path considered a virtue?

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 11:52:28 AM   
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And maybe people are finally noticing that Obama is a moderate Democrat, somewhere in the same political field as Johnson, Truman, or Kennedy.



ROFLMAO Roosevelt maybe, but J T or K, not even close. Kennedy was a moderate conservative (fiscal hawk, defense hawk, socially moderate to liberal) and would fit very well in the GOP that Colin Powell envisions.


Colin Powell..That's a blast from the past...Whatever happened to the guy? Did he ever recover from being thrown under the bus(h)?

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 12:06:23 PM   
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I've never understood this.  Obama has realized that he needs to change and is doing so.  Why are necessary changes of course looked down on?  Why is pushing the country determinedly along a failed path considered a virtue?


what tune has he changed? He may have changed the lyrics, but the song remains the same. Its called "my way or the highway".

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 12:11:13 PM   
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If Colin Powell had a mistress, she would make him watch the U.N hearings over and over.

Talk about humiliation?  "you were a dirty little Secretary of State, weren't you!"


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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 12:11:58 PM   
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Far be it from me to argue with babelishere, but I will give it a shot:
Here are some excerpts from the 1960 Democratic Party Platform, upon which Kennedy was elected:

On Immigration:
"We shall adjust our immigration, nationality and refugee policies to eliminate discrimination and to enable members of scattered families abroad to be united with relatives already in our midst.

The national-origins quota system of limiting immigration contradicts the rounding principles of this nation. It is inconsistent with our belief in the rights of man. This system was instituted after World War I as a policy of deliberate discrimination by a Republican Administration and Congress."


Wow...allowing unlimited immigration of...gasp...Mexicans? Oh, teh Soshulizm!

On the United Nations:
"Through the machinery of the United Nations, we shall work for disarmament, the establishment of an international police force, the strengthening of the World Court, and the establishment of world law.

Great Democratic Presidents have taken the lead in the effort to unite the nations of the world in an international organization to assure world peace with justice under law."


GOOD GOD!!! ONE LAW with an INTERNATIONAL POLICE FORCE!!!! That damned fascistic commie bastard!!!


On the economy:

"The Democratic Party reaffirms its support of full employment as a paramount objective of national policy.

For nearly 30 months the rate of unemployment has been between 5 and 7.5% of the labor force. A pool of three to four million citizens, able and willing to work but unable to find jobs, has been written off by the Republican Administration as a "normal" readjustment of the economic system.

The policies of a Democratic Administration to restore economic growth will reduce current unemployment to a minimum.

Thereafter, if recessionary trends appear, we will act promptly with counter-measures, such as public works or temporary tax cuts. We will not stand idly by and permit recessions to run their course as the Republican Administration has done.

"These communities have undertaken valiant efforts of self-help. But mutual aid, as well as self-help, is part of the American tradition. Stricken communities deserve the help of the whole nation."


PUBLIC WORKS??!!! NOT ALLOWING THE MAGIKAL FREE HAND TO SELF_CORRECT TEH ECONMY???

Jesus God, how could such a Soshulizt ever be allowed to come to power?


On Unionized Labor:

"We will repeal the authorization for "right-to-work" laws, limitations on the rights to strike, to picket peacefully and to tell the public the facts of a labor dispute, and other anti-labor features of the Taft-Hartley Act and the 1959 Act. This unequivocal pledge for the repeal of the anti-labor and restrictive provisions of those laws will encourage collective bargaining and strengthen and support the free and honest labor movement.

We shall strengthen and modernize the Walsh-Healey and Davis-Bacon Acts, which protect the wage standards of workers employed by Government contractors. "

Strengthen labor unions? Isn't this why Obama's nominee to the TSA is being blocked?

On Raising the Minimum Wage:

"At the bottom of the income scale are some eight million families whose earnings are too low to provide even basic necessities of food, shelter, and clothing.

We pledge to raise the minimum wage to $1.25 an hour and to extend coverage to several million workers not now protected.

We pledge further improvements in the wage, hour and coverage standards of the Fair Labor Standards Act so as to extend its benefits to all workers employed in industries engaged in or affecting interstate commerce and to raise its standards to keep up with our general economic progress and needs."


On Food Stamps:
"The Democratic Administration will inaugurate a national food and fiber policy for expanded use of our agricultural abundance. We will no longer view food stockpiles with alarm but will use them as powerful instruments for peace and plenty.

We will increase consumption at home. A vigorous, expanding economy will enable many American families to eat more and better food.

We will use the food stamp programs authorized to feed needy children, the aged and the unemployed. We will expand and improve the school lunch and milk programs."


Apparently President Kennedy failed to understand that Mrs. Bostik would be using this program to make oxtail soup for her family.

On Big Business:
"The last 7 1/2 years of Republican government has been the greatest period of merger and amalgamation in industry and banking in American history. Democratic Congresses have enacted numerous important measures to strengthen our anti-trust laws. Since 1950 the four Democratic Congresses have enacted laws like the Celler-Kefauver Anti-Merger Act, and improved the laws against price discriminations and tie-in sales.

When the Republicans were in control of the 80th and 83rd Congresses they failed to enact a single measure to strengthen or improve the antitrust laws.

The Democratic Party opposes this trend to monopoly.

We pledge vigorous enforcement of the antitrust laws.

We favor requiring corporations to file advance notice of mergers with the anti-trust enforcement agencies."


WOT? Attacking corporations, the live-giving mothers milk of jobz? How Soshulizt! How Fascist!

Medical Care:
"The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health."

Illness is expensive. Many Americans have neither incomes nor insurance protection to enable them to pay for modern health care. The problem is particularly acute with our older citizens, among whom serious illness strikes most often.

We shall provide medical care benefits for the aged as part of the time-tested Social Security insurance system. We reject any proposal which would require such citizens to submit to the indignity of a means test—a "pauper's oath."

As stated, we will provide an effective system for paid-up medical insurance upon retirement, financed during working years through the Social Security mechanism and available to all retired persons without a means test. This has first priority."


ZOMG!!! A government run medical care system??? Isn't this what Ronald Reagan called a Socialist takeover of the health care system that would destroy life as we know it? KennedyKare, I think it was called, which is why today we have Death Panels, or something.

And it goes on...welfare, disability insurance, housing assistance, retirement assistance...oh, and this gem-

"Natural resources are the birthright of all the people.

The new Democratic Administration, with the vision that built a TVA and a Grand Coulee, will develop and conserve that heritage for the use of this and future generations. We will reverse Republican policies under which America's resources have been wasted, depleted, underdeveloped, and recklessly given away."


Natural Resources are the birthright of....THE PEOPLE? Isn't that what Mao said???


Jesus God, who was this radical Un-American Soshulist Commu-Nazi??

But hey, I will give you this- he was a defense hawk, AND advocated for nuclear power.

So on balance, I was wrong.
Obama is MORE CONSERVATIVE than JFK.

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 12:16:18 PM   
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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 12:35:25 PM   
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By the way JFk didn't support gay marriage or abortion which are 2 of the key hallmarks of a liberal in addition to uncontrolled tax and spend policies. The federal budget was also under control during the JFK administration.

By the way, I'm not against civil unions if each state approves it, but calling it a marriage made in heaven is a little absurd, and giving 2 guys the right to adopt a kid is even more absurd.

Nor was Wahington or Jefferson.....wtf is your point?

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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 12:41:07 PM   
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Gee a politician in 1960 didn't support gay rights or abortion? I am STUNNED!

I'll bet that fucker John Tyler didn't support abolition either.


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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 12:42:43 PM   
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He obviously thinks Dems only have one way of thinking about things....
if JFK didnt like it, then neither must Obama



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RE: Obama Is Changing His Tune - 2/14/2010 12:49:24 PM   
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First mistake Lucy is when you ascribe actual "thinking" to this particular poster.....there is ample evidence to suggest he avoids doing so on pain of death.

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