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Sanity -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 7:19:26 AM)



Newsbusters, which is every bit as mainstream as the far left sources that thornhappy apparently relies on for her "news" is running an interesting article on the hit pieces she cited in her OP:



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Left-wing Websites Don't Bother With Truth in Smearing James O'Keefe


When the far-left finds a character to assassinate, it doesn't let facts get in the way. That, at least, is the lesson we can draw from the latest bout of liberal character assassination, this one aimed at James O'Keefe.


The slandering of his reputation has occurred mostly at Salon.com, the Village Voice, and an obscure hard-left organization called the One People's Project. Together, they have waged an all-out war on James O'Keefe's character by associating him with supposedly racist people and organizations. Just one problem: their claims are predicated on falsehoods, exaggerations, and assumptions (but mostly just falsehoods).

Max Blumenthal, who penned the Salon piece, and the stalwart non-journalists at OPP (the Village Voice, for its part, issued a mild retraction) alleged that O'Keefe had helped to organize a gathering of "anti-Semites, professional racists and proponents of Aryanism." They also claimed (and produced a cropped picture that could not possibly validate this claim) that O'Keefe had manned the literature table at the event.

Blumenthal and OPP based their "facts" (yes, those are snarky quotation marks) on a blog post by the Washington Independent's Dave Weigel, who claims to have attended the event in question. Weigel supposedly validated the wild claims made by Blumenthal and OPP, saying on his blog that he could "confirm all the details" of Blumenthal's story. But Weigel later clarified his remark:

While I’d been at the event, it was Isis, a photographer/investigator for the One People’s Project, who told me that her photo was actually a picture of O’Keefe at a table of controversial literature. But several e-mailers and commenters have pointed out that my first post appeared to endorse Blumenthal’s whole story. I want to quickly walk through that story and point out the parts that, based on my experience at the event and interviews with Isis and event organizer Marcus Epstein, were not true. Whoa, so the blogger whose recollection of an event taking place four years ago provided the basis for Blumenthal's hit job of a Salon column is now saying that numerous facts in the Blumenthal column were untrue.


In bullet-point form, via Patterico (with his emphasis), these untruths include:
  • Salon’s description of the event as a “conference on ‘Race and Conservatism’” — Weigel says it “was a two-hour debate, not a conference.” That makes a big difference, as one’s attendance at a debate does not by itself indicate an allegiance with one side or another.
  • Salon’s claim that “The leading speaker was Jared Taylor” whom Salon labels a white supremacist — Weigel says that Taylor is controversial, but “was only one of three speakers.
  • Salon’s claim that O’Keefe helped “plan” the event — Weigel notes that his other sources agree with O’Keefe that O’Keefe had no planning role. Weigel concludes that O’Keefe “absolutely wasn’t” a planner of the event.
  • Salon’s claim that black conservative Kevin Martin “was added at the last minute” to provide cover for conservatives — Weigel provides an e-mail proving that Martin was invited 29 days before the event.
  • Salon’s claim that “O’Keefe was manning the literature table” — Larry O’Connor tracked down Blumenthal’s source, who claimed that Weigel had witnessed O’Keefe manning the table. Weigel makes it clear that he didn’t: “I never told anyone that O’Keefe had ‘planned’ the event or ‘manned’ the table, because I could not confirm those things.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/02/05/left-wing-websites-dont-bother-truth-smearing-james-okeefe#ixzz0elktKsTT








Sanity -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 7:31:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

And another right-winger derails rofl!!!

Bow to your leader [;)] .

[image]local://upfiles/100518/658DCD2A080545B99943BAC170B02D81.jpg[/image]


That picture was photoshopped.

[img]http://washingtonindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/IMGP1648A.jpg[/img]

You far left wingnuts are falling victim to your own propaganda sources. You're being brainwashed and you don't even know it.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 7:35:31 AM)

Dang, I thought i could talk about the richness of the feminine art of Georgia O'keefe. Instead this..[:-]




kittinSol -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 8:17:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

That picture was photoshopped.



No shit, Sherlock.

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You far left wingnuts are falling victim to your own propaganda sources. You're being brainwashed and you don't even know it.



And you whine when others insult you... you cynical crypto-fascist wanker [:)] .




Sanity -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 8:28:58 AM)


I think I'll always love you kitten. Why? I don't know... [:)]




thornhappy -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 8:35:35 AM)

Yep, that's talked about in the comments.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

And another right-winger derails rofl!!!

Bow to your leader [;)] .

[image]local://upfiles/100518/658DCD2A080545B99943BAC170B02D81.jpg[/image]


That picture was photoshopped.

[image]http://washingtonindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/IMGP1648A.jpg[/image]

You far left wingnuts are falling victim to your own propaganda sources. You're being brainwashed and you don't even know it.





DomKen -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 8:41:32 AM)

Let's take a closer look at this "Race and Conservatism" panel and see where the truth lies.

Who sponsored/organized it? The Robert Taft Club
Who was in charge of the club at the time? Marcus Epstein of the drunken karate chop.
What is the association between Epstein and O'Keefe? Both claim the other is a friend.
Was the Epstein's invitation of Taylor a one time event? No. He had repeatedly invited other authors from American Renaissance to Taft Club events.
Is it possible that Epstein disaproves of these bigots and was opposing them? No. He writes for vdare and has made supportive comments about Taylor.

So O'Keefe has a bigoted friend who he was willing to "help out" by attending an event where a leader of the white supremacist movement would be speaking to a receptive audience. By itself that isn't anywhere near enough to call O'Keefe a racist but combine it with his other actions and writings and he clearly is a racist.




Sanity -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 9:51:48 AM)


Probably more lies. Even if true, so what. Whats your point? Obama attended an overtly racist church for over twenty years. He dragged his wife and his small children through that ugliness, they were even baptized there. He didn't renounce his close ties with Jeremiah Wright (who he called his spiritual adviser) until he was well into his run for president and their relationship had become an inconvenience for him.

Considering Barack Obama's racist past, you Liberals have to be morons to even try to bring this subject up.






tazzygirl -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 10:04:33 AM)

Nor is Wright in the media, perpetuating crimes (alleged for the moment). Keep it in its proper perspective, Sanity. When you target a race, people will look into your past. Acorn was a target... racially motivated... to try and embarrass an administration that has a black face. At the center of this, was O'keefe. If he doesnt like the lines that are being drawn about himself, he has only himself to blame.




Sanity -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 10:13:23 AM)


Jeremiah Wright is a major part of our current president's racist past, which you would have to as dense as a concrete block in order to fail to understand why thats relevant today.

Couple the Obama families' attendance record in Wright's sermons with the president's AG Eric Holder's refusal to bring charges against the group of Black Panthers who were caught on tape intimidating white voters at a polling place in Philadelphia, and I'd say that with the racism that is running rampant in the highest offices in the land, these outright lies that are being spread around about O'Keefe are laughable.

Not only is it an embarrassing double standard for you but its all based on lies on your part in the first place.




Moonhead -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 10:15:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Probably more lies. Even if true, so what. Whats your point? Obama attended an overtly racist church for over twenty years. He dragged his wife and his small children through that ugliness, they were even baptized there. He didn't renounce his close ties with Jeremiah Wright (who he called his spiritual adviser) until he was well into his run for president and their relationship had become an inconvenience for him.

Considering Barack Obama's racist past, you Liberals have to be morons to even try to bring this subject up.



If you have no problem with the right being full of racist wankers like O'Keefe (or Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter, or...) why are you whining about Obama being a racist? I hope it's not a partisan thing because that would make you a bit of a hypocrite after a few of your comments about liberals having no problem with racism from their own above.




tazzygirl -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 10:27:36 AM)

Sanity, because i entertain your thoughts, and have discussions with you about opposing view points on political issues, does not make me a conservative, anymore than it makes you a liberal. The same can be said about Obama. I have yet to see the man do a racially motivated act... nor has anyone else proved he has. Sadly, the same cannot be said about O'keefe.




Sanity -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 10:27:55 AM)


I've heard the lies that the left likes to spread around smearing the people you mentioned as racists, but the only proof of racism seems to come from big libs like KKK Robert Byrd, Jeremiah Wright and his disciples Barack & family, Eric Holder and his Black Panther buddies, Harry Reid and Joe Biden marveling over Obama's white tendencies, and Bill Clinton remarking that "a few years ago (Obama) would have been bringing him coffee...



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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Probably more lies. Even if true, so what. Whats your point? Obama attended an overtly racist church for over twenty years. He dragged his wife and his small children through that ugliness, they were even baptized there. He didn't renounce his close ties with Jeremiah Wright (who he called his spiritual adviser) until he was well into his run for president and their relationship had become an inconvenience for him.

Considering Barack Obama's racist past, you Liberals have to be morons to even try to bring this subject up.



If you have no problem with the right being full of racist wankers like O'Keefe (or Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter, or...) why are you whining about Obama being a racist? I hope it's not a partisan thing because that would make you a bit of a hypocrite after a few of your comments about liberals having no problem with racism from their own above.




DomKen -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 10:36:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Probably more lies.

Every point above is easily verifiable. Unlike the lies you spread.




Sanity -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 10:47:22 AM)


SURE, ken.

And we all believe you, too... [sm=rofl.gif]

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Every point above is easily verifiable.




DomKen -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 10:57:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


SURE, ken.

And we all believe you, too... [sm=rofl.gif]

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Every point above is easily verifiable.


Then prove me wrong. Put up or shut up.




Sanity -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 11:22:39 AM)


I can't disprove a lie, how do you do that. Its impossible.

Thats not how it works.

You posited the bullshit, so you try and back it up if you can.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 11:22:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


SURE, ken.

And we all believe you, too... [sm=rofl.gif]

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
Every point above is easily verifiable.


Then prove me wrong. Put up or shut up.



I see, so your reliance on "burden of proof lying with the affirmative side" only applies when someone else is making the affirmative statement.

Put up or stfu. Preferably the latter.




rulemylife -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 2:45:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I can't disprove a lie, how do you do that. Its impossible.

Thats not how it works.

You posited the bullshit, so you try and back it up if you can.



A lie can't be disproved? 

HUH?

And it was you who started the bullshit when you hijacked the thread by bringing in your relentless attempts to tarnish Obama by the fact he went to a church where Wright was a minister.




Sanity -> RE: O'Keefe's done some strange stuff.... (2/6/2010 3:10:32 PM)


You moron...

All right, fine - I'll try to educate you. Here's your lesson for today:

You pick your nose daily, and you eat it.

Now, its not up to me to prove its so, per your own logic. Its up to you to prove that you don't...

And if you can't prove that you don't, it must be true.

[:D]




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