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LadyAngelika -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/6/2010 2:44:27 PM)
quote: The submissive woman the terminator. A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever. Most men that think they are dominants don’t understand that simple fact which is why they crash and burn. You know, at first I thought this was total bunk. But I read it again. And I can't believe this but I'm going to agree with osf on this one. I'v been pondering for a few days to start a thread on a very similar topic... it's in draft form. Essentially, when I was starting off in what it is that we do, I played the role of a submissive in order to learn from dominants. I didn't learn much until I met one in particular, a really strong one. Why? Because I'm a manipulative little bitch who always gets her way in bed. More on this soon... promise ;-) - LA

lally2 -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/6/2010 3:53:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive Hi Lally Just like you, I have difficulty owning anything. I am allergic to the word my and havent used it in a long time. Can I own Sir? Best not even try to do that, since I am not a great owner of people, things and stuff. He can own himself as well as me, and i will own-up to my responsibility of being His. [sm=wave.gif]

osf -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/6/2010 4:03:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: osf something i wrote The submissive woman the terminator. A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever. Most men that think they are dominants don’t understand that simple fact which is why they crash and burn. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read in my life. i bet it isn't

sweetboundesire -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/6/2010 5:42:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Can you own your dominant? If you love your dominant set him free...If he returns to you he is yours to keep. lmao...but in all seriousness...anything you love should have a the free element of being there by will...imo...after all this isn't Iran.

littlewonder -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/6/2010 9:41:08 PM)
quote: A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever. I guess I'm not very submissive then because well..there are times when my sexuality does indeed come to a screeching halt..it dies on the concrete floor with a big loud bang! It's easily reasoned with and can find bargains at basement prices. And there are quite a few times when it feels pity and remorse and lots of times when it feels fear...more times than I wish. So yup..big load of bullshit.

osf -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/6/2010 10:20:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder quote: A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever. I guess I'm not very submissive then because well..there are times when my sexuality does indeed come to a screeching halt..it dies on the concrete floor with a big loud bang! It's easily reasoned with and can find bargains at basement prices. And there are quite a few times when it feels pity and remorse and lots of times when it feels fear...more times than I wish. So yup..big load of bullshit. are you saying because it doesn't fit you, it fits no woman? i beg to differ with you a lot of men know more about the range of female sexuality than most women do, after all , all they only really know is their own unless they're lesbian or bi

littlewonder -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/6/2010 10:23:51 PM)
You can beg to differ all you want. No one is stopping you. lol You said "a submissive's sexuality"...not "some submissives' sexuality"...thus what you said is not true for all submissives and so a load of bullshit as far as I'm concerned.

Hawkwindblues -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/6/2010 10:37:52 PM)
quote: but the relationship owning the individuals KoM, as i read you words and the explaining of the idea, i thought to myself: What a great way to call it. I have to admit that i am not really able to find the right words, but it rings so very true concerninig M. and me. I have had it never happen to me quite that way before and frankly i did not expected it. HWK

sexyred1 -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/6/2010 10:50:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder quote: A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever. I guess I'm not very submissive then because well..there are times when my sexuality does indeed come to a screeching halt..it dies on the concrete floor with a big loud bang! It's easily reasoned with and can find bargains at basement prices. And there are quite a few times when it feels pity and remorse and lots of times when it feels fear...more times than I wish. So yup..big load of bullshit. Yup, she is right. That truly is one of the most bullshitty things osf has ever said. Why? Not just because it is a sweeping generalization, but in my experience, the Doms I have been with feel the same way, their sexuality and need for us and our relationship matched mine and sometimes, surpassed it. So please, give me a break. Edited to add: what does that have to do with the OP's question?

osf -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 2:57:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder quote: A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever. I guess I'm not very submissive then because well..there are times when my sexuality does indeed come to a screeching halt..it dies on the concrete floor with a big loud bang! It's easily reasoned with and can find bargains at basement prices. And there are quite a few times when it feels pity and remorse and lots of times when it feels fear...more times than I wish. So yup..big load of bullshit. Yup, she is right. That truly is one of the most bullshitty things osf has ever said. Why? Not just because it is a sweeping generalization, but in my experience, the Doms I have been with feel the same way, their sexuality and need for us and our relationship matched mine and sometimes, surpassed it. So please, give me a break. Edited to add: what does that have to do with the OP's question? and here i thought we were getting along what does your post have with the ops question then again it's an allegory for some of my past experiences and maybe i knew some women that were in a submissive frame of mind all the time so far we have one in agreement and 3 against get over yourselves ladies, you don't represent all womanhood and some submissives are never out of role, they it seems instinctively react to their dom in a submissive way constantly and most men cant handle that for long and of course you are here looking , some for years for the man that can keep up to your oh so easy natures if submissives were so easily taken care of some of you wouldn't be here and every man could be a dominant but they can't wonder why that is again it is from my experience with a couple of women and i stand by it

LillyoftheVally -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 3:05:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf get over yourselves ladies, you don't represent all womanhood I think the point the girls were making is that you don't, you did make an inaccurate generalisation.

LaTigresse -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 5:28:08 AM)
I think a lot of people are owned by their own desires and needs. Their insecurities. Then, whomever feeds those things, owns them. In that light, I see some self proclaimed D and M types, being owned/controlled by their s types. I believe we have seen a very good example of that in the Gorean forums lately.

LadyAngelika -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 6:09:28 AM)
quote: so far we have one in agreement and 3 against I'm only in agreement in that when a very dominant natured submissive woman meets a more insecure dominant man and gets him wrapped around her little finger, this will happen. - LA

Madame4a -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 6:13:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf a lot of men know more about the range of female sexuality than most women do, after all , all they only really know is their own unless they're lesbian or bi uhmmm... no.. not a lot.. a few might think they do... most women, regardless of orientation know a lot more about female sexuality.. regardless of their experience... so make generalizations... I'll do the same...

Madame4a -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 6:16:06 AM)
To the original post... yes I've seen lots of folks who think they are mutually owned.. I don't care who you are, as some have said, owning someone in general, truely, isn't really possible... but people like to think so... and its fine if they do. Personally, my boy recently put a beautiful necklace around my neck and said several times.. "its a top's collar... mine mine mine mine" ... and I laugh at her and remind her its a necklace, but yes.. I am hers... we have a very broad relationship that encompasses several things... so in many situations, I am completely hers. It doesn't make me any less dominant.

osf -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 7:23:39 AM)
quote: I think a lot of people are owned by their own desires and needs. Their insecurities. Then, whomever feeds those things, owns them. i put it as dominants are a catylist for subs to express their sexuality, a needed thing but not the causative factor

lally2 -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 12:22:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder quote: A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever. I guess I'm not very submissive then because well..there are times when my sexuality does indeed come to a screeching halt..it dies on the concrete floor with a big loud bang! It's easily reasoned with and can find bargains at basement prices. And there are quite a few times when it feels pity and remorse and lots of times when it feels fear...more times than I wish. So yup..big load of bullshit. Yup, she is right. That truly is one of the most bullshitty things osf has ever said. Why? Not just because it is a sweeping generalization, but in my experience, the Doms I have been with feel the same way, their sexuality and need for us and our relationship matched mine and sometimes, surpassed it. So please, give me a break. Edited to add: what does that have to do with the OP's question? and here i thought we were getting along what does your post have with the ops question then again it's an allegory for some of my past experiences and maybe i knew some women that were in a submissive frame of mind all the time so far we have one in agreement and 3 against get over yourselves ladies, you don't represent all womanhood and some submissives are never out of role, they it seems instinctively react to their dom in a submissive way constantly and most men cant handle that for long and of course you are here looking , some for years for the man that can keep up to your oh so easy natures if submissives were so easily taken care of some of you wouldn't be here and every man could be a dominant but they can't wonder why that is again it is from my experience with a couple of women and i stand by it the blue bit - in the early years i would have said this was very true - i would have harped on about the men who just wanted kink but who had no innate Dominance and who mistakenly believed that i would happily submit all day long without an ounce of effort from them. my sexuality was rampant back then - i just had to have it and flipped into submission at the drop of a hat, didnt matter if they were dominant or not. looking back i wasnt submitting to them i was submitting to my need to submit. these days im a little better clued in to how it all works and i dont waste my time on the guys that have no innate dominance. Dominant men turn me on, for them its just who they are, no thought process required. so now the blue bit isnt true for me anymore.

osf -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 12:43:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lally2 quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder quote: A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever. I guess I'm not very submissive then because well..there are times when my sexuality does indeed come to a screeching halt..it dies on the concrete floor with a big loud bang! It's easily reasoned with and can find bargains at basement prices. And there are quite a few times when it feels pity and remorse and lots of times when it feels fear...more times than I wish. So yup..big load of bullshit. Yup, she is right. That truly is one of the most bullshitty things osf has ever said. Why? Not just because it is a sweeping generalization, but in my experience, the Doms I have been with feel the same way, their sexuality and need for us and our relationship matched mine and sometimes, surpassed it. So please, give me a break. Edited to add: what does that have to do with the OP's question? and here i thought we were getting along what does your post have with the ops question then again it's an allegory for some of my past experiences and maybe i knew some women that were in a submissive frame of mind all the time so far we have one in agreement and 3 against get over yourselves ladies, you don't represent all womanhood and some submissives are never out of role, they it seems instinctively react to their dom in a submissive way constantly and most men cant handle that for long and of course you are here looking , some for years for the man that can keep up to your oh so easy natures if submissives were so easily taken care of some of you wouldn't be here and every man could be a dominant but they can't wonder why that is again it is from my experience with a couple of women and i stand by it the blue bit - in the early years i would have said this was very true - i would have harped on about the men who just wanted kink but who had no innate Dominance and who mistakenly believed that i would happily submit all day long without an ounce of effort from them. my sexuality was rampant back then - i just had to have it and flipped into submission at the drop of a hat, didnt matter if they were dominant or not. looking back i wasnt submitting to them i was submitting to my need to submit. these days im a little better clued in to how it all works and i dont waste my time on the guys that have no innate dominance. Dominant men turn me on, for them its just who they are, no thought process required. so now the blue bit isnt true for me anymore. and in your early days you probably burned them out so i stand by the statement

Rochsub2009 -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 12:55:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys I'm definitely on the side of reality..but who's reality? Surely you don't think you speak for all of us do you? That would be a fantasy alright..One that would be easily disproved. Ownership of another person is about the mind not about whether or not it's legitimate legality. When a female feels she has no choice in her mind but to stay with an individual..Meaning she feels powerless to leave or the very idea isn't in her head..no matter what you do..You own that person from the inside and out...... If it's not a reality for you and you can't conceive how it could be for others..No problem..It doesn't matter in the scheme of things relating to what others think. i can conceive of many things. Believe me. It is possible that someone would stay REGARDLESS of what was done to them. But usually, that is in situations that are illegal in nature. Most people (i won't say "all", because there is an exception to almost every rule), regardless of how submissive, have a button that can be pushed that will cause them to rescind their submission. Where that button lies will vary from person to person. For some, it might be exceeding their stated "limits". For others, it might require something more extreme like giving them an incurable STD, or accidentally breaking a limb during S&M play, or lashing out in rage during an argument and committing violence that doesn't belong in any relationship (vanilla or D/s). But for most subs/slaves, there is a line that cannot be crossed. Would you not agree? Furthermore, this lifestyle is unfortunately populated by many individuals who lack the self-esteem or strength to remove themselves from situations that are not healthy for them (physically or emotionally). i am not including those people in this discussion, since many of those individuals actually need professional help.

Rochsub2009 -> RE: can you own a Dominant (2/7/2010 1:12:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Madame4a Personally, my boy recently put a beautiful necklace around my neck and said several times.. "its a top's collar... mine mine mine mine" ... and I laugh at her and remind her its a necklace, but yes.. I am hers... we have a very broad relationship that encompasses several things... so in many situations, I am completely hers. It doesn't make me any less dominant. i like this story, and i agree with your perspective on the D/s dynamic.

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