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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:17:14 AM   
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Have you been a mentalist long?




Well, Muse, you've left us all with no option but to speculate.  Maybe after the holidays are over?  We still have President's day, of course...

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:20:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fair enough. One thing after the other here, and there're so many different overlapping issues raised that it takes a solid block of time to work out.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:22:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hate that Palin is a vapid, smug sound bite who caters intentionally to the lowest common denominator.

I used to feel sorry for her for having been so poorly chosen and then blamed for being so ill suited. That is, I felt sorry for her until she refused to go away.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:29:31 AM   
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I am one that hopes that the lamestreamers keep on underestimating the amount of anger in the electorate out there in 'fly over' land.... the mountain that is about to fall on the Obamaites will be measured for years to come in studying the political collapse of the 'progressive' movement.


As far as the legacy of his administration is concerned I'm not so sure that the Republicans winning big in the 2010 mid term elections would be a bad thing for Obama himself. Clinton's presidency is viewed favorably by many and he benefited from the GOP taking control of both houses of Congress during the 1994 midterm elections. He didn't write legislation - only signed that which was sent to him by Newt. I think Obama could enjoy the same benefits in the wake of the same happening this November. In all honesty if he isn't already praying for a big GOP win in November he should be.




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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:31:07 AM   
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Its sounding more and more to me like the Tea Party will be fielding a presidential candidate of its own in '12.

Any guesses as to who that candidate could possibly be?

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Noting his party's dismal showing in elections since Obama moved into the White House a year ago with talk of hope and promises of change, Palin asked the gathering: "How's that hope-y, change-y stuff workin' out for you?"

Her audience waved flags and erupted in cheers during multiple standing ovations as the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee gave the keynote address Saturday at the first national convention of the "tea party" coalition. It's an antiestablishment, grass-roots network motivated by anger over the growth of government, budget-busting spending and Obama's policies.


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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:37:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		First they'll have to become an actual political party, choose a platform, coalesce around candidates, get them on the ballot in hundreds of districts.

That's not likely for the 2010 election. They're not a very cohesive group. Maybe in the future. For '12, they'll need to be on the ballot in 50 states and the District of Columbia. That would mean large numbers of Republicans abandoning their party for the Tea Party.

More likely is a few of the more organized regional groups will get behind candidates they like fielded by other parties.

Those are going to be conservative Republicans. The myth that they're a nonpartisan movement contradicts reality. If they have an impact at all, it will be to support those who want to move the Republican party even further to the right. But as that's already happened, it really seems more cheerleading than change. Same voters, same candidates, different name.



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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 9:39:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let's hope so. If the teabaggers split the halfwitconservative vote enough Obama may stand a chance of getting re-elected in 2012.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:21:44 AM   
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How well did you predict Massachusetts?

It could be that people are tiring of the white McSame vs. the black McSame, and they're looking for something different. The Republicans have clearly abandoned Conservative principles, and though Obama ran as a fiscal Conservative we all see how well he is implementing fiscally Conservative ideas.

With all things considered, and especially judging by the Massachusetts race, I'm willing to bet that 2012 will be full of all kinds of surprises.


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First they'll have to become an actual political party, choose a platform, coalesce around candidates, get them on the ballot in hundreds of districts.

That's not likely for the 2010 election. They're not a very cohesive group. Maybe in the future. For '12, they'll need to be on the ballot in 50 states and the District of Columbia. That would mean large numbers of Republicans abandoning their party for the Tea Party.

More likely is a few of the more organized regional groups will get behind candidates they like fielded by other parties.

Those are going to be conservative Republicans. The myth that they're a nonpartisan movement contradicts reality. If they have an impact at all, it will be to support those who want to move the Republican party even further to the right. But as that's already happened, it really seems more cheerleading than change. Same voters, same candidates, different name.









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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:25:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Show me where I ever predicted anything about Massachusetts. In any event, Massachusetts writers note this was about state politics. I'm not there, so I'm not taking a position, but that seems reasonable at least.

And it has nothing to do with what I just posted. Nor has the rest of what you just posted.

I'm confident 2012 has all kinds of surprises coming. Presidential elections usually do. Who foresaw Barack Obama this far ahead?

But a new national party takes time to build. More time than a new Tea Party meaningful in 2012, especially among such a currently ideologically disorganized group. It's an organized outlet for expressing frustration and staging events.

Anything else is in its infancy.



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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:44:13 AM   
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In any event, Massachusetts writers note this was about state politics.



ROFLMAO!

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:46:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		What are you laughing at?

People were pissed. Voters sent a message. Editors wrote it up.

Perhaps they're wrong. Dunno. No data. It's all speculation, and people certainly missed what was coming.

Nonetheless, what they wrote.



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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:47:48 AM   
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What are you laughing at?

People were pissed. Voters sent a message. Editors wrote it up.

Perhaps they're wrong. Dunno. Nonetheless, what they wrote.



Im laughing at the writers/editors. They are so wrong that writing it was ludicrous.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:50:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		So now suddenly Massachusetts is a red state?

That doesn't seem likely.

But who knows. People have drawn conclusions, no one's studied this yet (to my knowledge).

And granted, they certainly misread the situation going in.


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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:52:09 AM   
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They're whistling while walking past the graveyard.

Muse included... 


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Im laughing at the writers/editors. They are so wrong that writing it was ludicrous.


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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:54:01 AM   
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Not likely, but it would sure help the conversation.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:55:02 AM   
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So now suddenly Massachusetts is a red state?






Got an A+ in the KenDoll course on misstating what someone has said?

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:58:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Back up then.

Assigning right/wrong without support isn't gonna earn you any points.

Or credibility. Ridicule is not synonymous with reason.

If all this is about that Pubs will pick up seats, readily conceded.



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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 11:59:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		You missed the point. It isn't a journalists to judge whether there should be ideas in a given speaker's speech, or not.

have you seen fox news since it started?

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 12:02:15 PM   
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You missed the point. It isn't a journalists to judge whether there should be ideas in a given speaker's speech, or not.




Funny, I thought that it was precisely a political journalists job to report on a politicians speech. Noting that one may be devoid of ideas is certainly part of reporting.

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RE: Hate Palin, Love Palin - 2/7/2010 12:04:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		sorry cuckyman but you are indulging in wishful thinking, the midterm elections will see moderate gains by republicans, but they have the most governerships and senators up for reelection and nothing to run on nationally except "we said no", and to this that the teabaggers have also taken aim at some republicans and I doubt your scenario will fall like you think.

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