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Mercnbeth -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 7:21:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Louve00 quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth What a great opportunity for Obama to turn around his Administration. It's the perfect opportunity for Obama to go over to Iran and talk with both Khamenei and Ahmadinejad as he promised he would do with our enemies during his campaign. Although I rarely assume much, I will choose to assume you mean this sarcastically. [8\|] (My sarcasm says I hope Israel has their nukes pointed right at Iran right about now!) [;)] Only in part; however I hope your Israel reference was completly sarcastic as we might not be able to communicate in this manner if those pointed nukes get launched. Being a man of my word and believing that a person's integrity is measured by how he, or she, reacts when conditions anticipated become reality; I do see this as an opportunity. I honestly hope he takes it. He's traveled for other causes - what better one than to assure that the promises coming out of Iran are benign? On the other hand - he could also come forward to the American people, who he made the promise to in the first place, and, like GITMO, say how although it may have been a good and correct concept - reality makes it impractical to implement. That's really all it would take for him to illustrate he's capable of leadership. Obama's problems, from my perspective, stem from his own words, and subsequently either a fear to stand behind them or a fear to say they are not pragmatically possible. There was a lot of academic theory presented in the Obama Presidential campaign. It proved to me that things haven't changed since I've been in school. Many professors are teaching in college because their 'theories' of business, politics, and social engineering, do not work in practical application. The question is, can Obama as President manage a real world having only academic theory as experience to draw upon?

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 7:23:45 AM)
They can't do an EMP attack against the continental United States, because they don't have a missile with that kind of range. EMP is line of sight, so they'd have to throw the warhead over our hemisphere somehow. They don't have that capability. And they're not going to do an EMP attack against Israel, because that would fry their own electronics.

Thadius -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 7:24:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius I am hoping that this punch is not going to be them testing their first nuke. If that is what happens Thursday, all bets are off and prepare for all hell to break lose over there. In my opinion Israel will no longer sit on its hands waiting for the rest of the world to do something. I fear they will reenact the job they did on Iraq. But it would be too late for that. There's a world of difference between attacking a country that's still in the process of developing nuclear weapons, and attacking a country that's already got them. I fear the toothpaste is already out of the tube. Having the bomb is one thing. Being able to deliver it is another. It takes lots of tech to develop a rocket capable of carrying a nuke. From their latest tests it looks as they still have a ways to go. This last rocket launched only carried a payload of about 4 pounds, figure an advanced nuke comes in around 400 pounds and an effective crude nuke about 4 times that. This is very much why N. Korea gets so much attention with their rocket tests, it's all about range and payload capacity.

mnottertail -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 7:30:13 AM)
well right, they may have a makeshift nuclear bomb, but no launching other than a catapult or a bunch of swarthy Inranians hefting it out like a pyramid stone. The threat level for us is in the azure blue range today. Don't pass on cocktails with the friends tonight over this. If they do go whack and heft it into Israel somehow, our issues are completely over, over there, because it will be over, over there. Homeland Security and Irving Berlin

SeekingAZ -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 7:40:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail well right, they may have a makeshift nuclear bomb, but no launching other than a catapult or a bunch of swarthy Inranians hefting it out like a pyramid stone. The threat level for us is in the azure blue range today. Don't pass on cocktails with the friends tonight over this. If they do go whack and heft it into Israel somehow, our issues are completely over, over there, because it will be over, over there. Homeland Security and Irving Berlin This whole crisis is bullshit. It's a direct threat. One bullet in Khamenei's head, one in Ahmadinejad's and a flat denial we had anything to do with it and 90 percent of this problem is gone. That's assuming Iran isn't plunged into a civil war by the mass protest scheduled for today anyway.

Louve00 -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 7:41:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth The question is, can Obama as President manage a real world having only academic theory as experience to draw upon? Yes, it was sarcasm on my part. I don't wish a nuclear disaster at all, but when you're dealing with the likes of Iran and Korea, who play and make friends with the terrorists who wouldn't give a second diddly damn thought of unleashing nuclear power on US, it certainly starts to get scary. As far as your question goes, we really can only hope. He definitely has more experience in knowing how people in those regions think and they definitely don't think like we do, so again...we can only hope, and I am indeed hoping.

SeekingAZ -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 7:56:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda They can't do an EMP attack against the continental United States, because they don't have a missile with that kind of range. EMP is line of sight, so they'd have to throw the warhead over our hemisphere somehow. They don't have that capability. And they're not going to do an EMP attack against Israel, because that would fry their own electronics. Really ? They can't load a bomb in a Cessna 172 or Beech Baron and fly it to 15-22k feet over kansas or 45-55k feet in Gulfstream V ? Hmmm..i find it interesting that the first thing the border patrol in Arizona does when it finds a new under border tunnel is to call someone in with a geiger counter. EMP is a weapon of asymmetric warfare, why the fuck would the Iranians try to deliver it via conventional means that we would detect and (theoretically) launch a devastating counterstrike long before their warhead reached it's target ? If they achieve surprise with an EMP weapon it isn't clear we would retaliate at all. After all an EMP deployed correctly doesn't result in any direct casualties on the ground beyond flash blindness. How exactly do you think the world would react if we retaliated and killed a few million innocent Iranians (not to mention we'd be splashing Israel and Iraq with radiation too) when the only thing we lost was infrastructure ? And in this situation the rest of the world's opinion would count because we wouldn't even be able to feed ourselves for years, we'd be at the mercy of others. But don't worry, i'm sure as we speak Obama is giving the Iranians a stern talking too.

mnottertail -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 8:07:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeekingAZ quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail well right, they may have a makeshift nuclear bomb, but no launching other than a catapult or a bunch of swarthy Inranians hefting it out like a pyramid stone. The threat level for us is in the azure blue range today. Don't pass on cocktails with the friends tonight over this. If they do go whack and heft it into Israel somehow, our issues are completely over, over there, because it will be over, over there. Homeland Security and Irving Berlin This whole crisis is bullshit. It's a direct threat. One bullet in Khamenei's head, one in Ahmadinejad's and a flat denial we had anything to do with it and 90 percent of this problem is gone. That's assuming Iran isn't plunged into a civil war by the mass protest scheduled for today anyway. you are wapped in the swaddling cloths of naivete. no problem is gone. if that were the case we would be orgying with virgins in Bagdad you and me.

popeye1250 -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 9:59:41 AM)
If there was ever a case for using chemical and biological weapons...

Lucylastic -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 11:11:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 If there was ever a case for using chemical and biological weapons... Are you chanelling Saddam or Chemical Ali, today Pops??? Getting hard to tell which particular brand of bonkers you are lately

Thadius -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 11:13:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 If there was ever a case for using chemical and biological weapons... Are you chanelling Saddam or Chemical Ali, today Pops??? Getting hard to tell which particular brand of bonkers you are lately Perhaps his thinking was along the line of "Mmmmm, deep fried Iranian with a side of mustard (gas)." No accounting for taste.

Lucylastic -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 11:17:58 AM)
Thadius..you do have a sublime sense of humour:)

thishereboi -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 11:24:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 If there was ever a case for using chemical and biological weapons... Are you chanelling Saddam or Chemical Ali, today Pops??? Getting hard to tell which particular brand of bonkers you are lately Perhaps his thinking was along the line of "Mmmmm, deep fried Iranian with a side of mustard (gas)." No accounting for taste. I totally agree, I hate mustard[:)]

KITTYLECTRO -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 11:49:26 AM)
In less than an hour it will be Thursday in Iran.

Thadius -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 11:51:08 AM)
I would guess that we probably have to wait until after morning prayers, before we find out what the "punch" is going to be.

Moonhead -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 12:15:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius I would guess that we probably have to wait until after morning prayers, before we find out what the "punch" is going to be. Khameni donning a silly hat and a red nose and making a statement saying "Fooled ya!" to the press?

mnottertail -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 12:18:07 PM)
showing us that he was holding Husseins WMD for him?

Moonhead -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 12:20:32 PM)
Having Ahmenidenejad do a strip tease on Al Jazeera?

mnottertail -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 12:23:30 PM)
whos gonna judge it? Paula Abdul?

Moonhead -> RE: Khamenei: 'punch which will stun West' (2/10/2010 12:40:21 PM)
Allah will judge it, infidel!

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