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Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase)


Justifiable -- Insurance companies have to make a profit
  5% (1)
Justifiable -- Why mess with the free market?
  10% (2)
Neutral -- It doesn't affect me anyway
  0% (0)
Neutral -- I can't do anything about it, so why stress?
  0% (0)
Neutral -- Health "insurance" doesn't insure anyway
  5% (1)
Questionable -- What about those who can't afford these increases?
  10% (2)
Questionable -- Profits shouldn't come before human health
  70% (14)


Total Votes : 20
(last vote on : 2/12/2010 8:49:59 PM)
(Poll will run till: -- )


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CallaFirestormBW -> Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 6:17:48 AM)

Hey folks, I'd like to hear peoples input on this.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-02-11/business/17187370_1_individual-policyholders-anthem-blue-cross-higher-premiums




Musicmystery -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 6:21:11 AM)

The more we continue to ignore reality, the more rates will climb.




Louve00 -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 6:25:38 AM)

Well, I voted for What about those who can't afford these increases?  But it was actually a toss up for me between that and Health "insurance" doesn't insure anyway.  I have lived through the experience of paying faithfully (and painfully) high insurance rates, and then came the day my husband was diagnosed with lung cancer.  We found out then, first hand, just how "worthful" health insurance is.  If it werent for the fact we owned our home and could refinance, the insurance companies would have been able to conveniently deny him the tests and treatments he needed (and don't get me wrong, they did pay for some, and decided which ones they would not pay for, while ALL of it was necessary to my husbands life. 

But thats just a sob story...and one of many.  Quite frankly, I feel for anyone who *thinks* they are covered and gets *real* sick.




pahunkboy -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 6:26:09 AM)

LOL.   reality?   Oh man.  That is funny.   (no examples- no explanation- no foot notes)




Musicmystery -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 6:29:20 AM)

Only so many ways to repeat the same thing over and over, pahb.

Laugh, though. Rates aren't really going up, and they won't go up any more either. Why would they? This is America, land of magic.




pahunkboy -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 6:34:07 AM)

fair enough MM-




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 6:35:40 AM)

PA -- care to contribute your poll response as well as commentary?





CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 7:01:14 AM)

I have an "extra credit" question for anyone who watched House on Monday night -- I'd like to hear your thoughts about Cuddy's encounter with the insurance company CEO in the restaurant -- especially the CEO's comment at the end of that encounter.






pahunkboy -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 7:33:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

PA -- care to contribute your poll response as well as commentary?




In todays world one has to be wary of ANY paper promises.

I loath insurance due to the MANY escape clauses.

For myself- I seek to be neither under -insured - nor over insured.

If you crunch the numbers- as Walter Burien explains-  the pay outs vs premiums- are something like 5 cents for every dollar.   when they went wild- and jacked up rates it was 10 cents per dollar.

so I view ins as a tricky  fact of life.

:-)




pahunkboy -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 7:36:21 AM)

http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/the-biggest-game-in-town-walter-burien-and-comprehensive-annual-financial-reports/


A heavy read.  I will summaries for you.  ... the deck is stacked.   :-)




SirAldwyn -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 7:52:19 AM)

Last year our BCBS rates went up 19.5% (the state limit is 20%), We just got another notice that our rates have gone up this year 19.5% with a decrease in coverage and and increase in the deductible and now they are asking that everyone open a checking account linked to BCBS and deposit the deductible amount so they can withdraw the money to insure your bills are paid before they pay any insurance company money

They raised the deductible to $3500 per person per year, I have a family of 4 so they want $3500 for each deposited by March 1st,

So my premium has skyrocketed to over  $2300 per month for a family of 4 plus the $3500 each and this is an employer based policy

Do the math

they want $14,000 for the deductibles deposited and my premium is $27,600 per year 


And don't even tell me about those great online deals, if you read the small print, you have to pay into the policy for a minimum of 12 months before anything is covered, everything is considered a pre-existing condition if you see a doctor for it in the first 12 months, and they want the same BS deposit, at least that is how it is in Illinois and we cannot cross state lines to buy insurance, cause it's against the law




Louve00 -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 7:55:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirAldwyn

...and now they are asking that everyone open a checking account linked to BCBS and deposit the deductible amount so they can withdraw the money to insure your bills are paid before they pay any insurance company money

They raised the deductible to $3500 per person per year, I have a family of 4 so they want $3500 for each deposited by March 1st,

So my premium has skyrocketed to over  $2300 per month for a family of 4 plus the $3500 each and this is an employer based policy

Do the math

they want $14,000 for the deductibles deposited and my premium is $27,600 per year 


And don't even tell me about those great online deals, if you read the small print, you have to pay into the policy for a minimum of 12 months before anything is covered, everything is considered a pre-existing condition if you see a doctor for it in the first 12 months, and they want the same BS deposit, at least that is how it is in Illinois and we cannot cross state lines to buy insurance, cause it's against the law



There truly should be a law against that.  Fine, if you want to give someone access to your personal checking account.  But I, personally, feel it is unconstitutional to insist they have that trump over you![:'(]




SirAldwyn -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 8:00:10 AM)

You're right it should be against the law, but it is not.  If we do not make the deposit, we will lose our coverage, and the employer is looking for other insurance, but there really are not many other insurance companies in Illinois, and the ones they have contacted are all saying they are only going to start offering the same type of policies. 

So if they change it will just delay the deposits for a year and then when the insurance comes up for renewal they are saying the deposit language will be inserted.

It sucks and there is really nothing you can do




Mercnbeth -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 8:01:22 AM)

It's difficult to rationalize a thought until the problem is documented. For the sake of discussion - lets keep it simple using real world examples; mine.

beth and I went to the Doctor twice in 2009. Once when we got our annual physical, once when beth was sick. We pay about $600/month for family coverage. None of our +21 dependents needed care. We are insured by the same company who insures my parents, aged 86/84. They went to the doctor every three weeks, my mother was hospitalized 3 times for a total of 28 days. Our payment to the insurance company was $4800, my parents had union insurance coverage, as retired UAW and NJEA, they paid nothing, but assume their unions paid at least as much, $4800.

The cost of our physicals and beths visit would be, at maximum $1000, neither of us are on any prescription. Combined, my parents are on 14 high end prescription drugs. The bills from my parents for the year was $130,000; 2009 was a 'healthy' year for them. In the past, I've seen annual statements exceeding $200k for them. How does an insurance company account for both within their premium structure?

The problem isn't the insurance company, the solution isn't universal health coverage from the government. The issue is how to manage the 'exceptions'. No company would insure my parents given the choice. There are many like them in the world. Were they in the same condition in 1970-80 they would not be alive. They are alive today because we have the technology and ability to keep them alive; however it is very expensive. Since this is self centered - I'm glad we do.

However as an insurance company or as a government how do you deal with the problem? There is no way the model I presented can survive. It takes too many 'Merc & beth' policies to pay for one 'Merc's Parent' policies. The pubic sector, insurance companies, have only one choice - raise rates to make the numbers work, or get out of the market. You see that in State Farm's decision to leave Florida. The government actually has the same decision, except instead of raising premiums they have to raise taxes. The bottom line is that somebody has to pay.

I think the only solution is government run 'clinics' and hospice programs staffed by those who came though a domestic medical version of the 'Peace Corp'; but I don't know if even that would work.

So before I can have a "thought" I need to know yours. Is life worth extending for all regardless of the cost, or the quality of the live preserved? Should 90% of the resources allocated be used by 10%?

If anyone wants to see the back up documentation about my families cost of health care - feel free to email me.




SirAldwyn -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 8:12:19 AM)

In Illinois, your dependents are only covered until they are 18, plus 4 years if they are full time college students.  After that they are on their own

I disagree with you about pooling, I think if you have a "Medicare" type program which every person can join if they want, you increase the number of people covered in the policy and there-by reduce risk.

Today the only people insurance companies want to insure are the young and healthy (many of whom do not have coverage, because of costs,& low wages to start out in a career), which is why most private insurers dump clients over 65 and they are forced to get medicare

Your parents like mine have Union based insurance and my father is in his 80's also has great insurance, only because his Union fought so hard for it, however current political parties are doing everything they can to break Unions, hence the lower number members per year.

It has been proven by countless studies that most people use their insurance most in the last 6-12 months of their lives, which explains why private insurers drop people if they can at the age of 65 and dump them on medicare




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 8:21:53 AM)

quote:

So before I can have a "thought" I need to know yours. Is life worth extending for all regardless of the cost, or the quality of the live preserved? Should 90% of the resources allocated be used by 10%?


While I'm holding off on my commentary in general (since when I do comment, for some reason it seems to stifle discussion), I will answer this question for me and mine, though I can't answer for anyone else.

For me, and for those close to me, the answer is "No, life is not worth extending regardless of cost, and at the point at which I can no longer contribute, I will have to have that discussion with my family about how much of the family resources can actually be put out for my ongoing care, and how those resources will be used. In my case, that translates to 'just enough resources to keep me relatively comfortable while I pass from this world'. If there were an option for "just enough resources to keep me comfortable and help me shorten the time passing from this world", it would translate to that one.

I don't think that my choice could be universally applied, though. Too many people are too afraid of death to ever be comfortable allowing the natural course of events, much less encouraging the transition.





Arpig -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 8:22:42 AM)

~FR~
Anybody on here who has been on here should pretty much know how I voted.
The other night while doing a survey I spoke with a woman who pays $550.00 a month for her health insurance, and she has a $1000.00 deductible....Now in my 50 years I have twice had medical procedures that cost more than $1000, so I would have been paying out in excess of $6000 a year for insurance that didn't cover anything, does that seem reasonable to you?
The lady pays this exorbitant amount and still has to consider her financial situation before deciding to go to the doctor, that is simply outrageous.
You guys seem to want the present system, so go ahead and keep it while the rest of the world shakes its collective head in amazement that you can be so backward in the 21st century, but hey, its your country, go ahead and ruin it any way you want,




pahunkboy -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 8:24:10 AM)

why are insurance company buildings tall?




mnottertail -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 8:25:08 AM)

so insurance companies can sit on their money.




Thadius -> RE: Thoughts??? (Insurance rate increase) (2/10/2010 8:26:09 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

why are insurance company buildings tall?


You need some altitude to make sure your (golden) parachute opens....[8D]




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