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eyesopened -> RE: Legally Illegal? (12/22/2006 3:37:39 AM)
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
Doesn't this send out the message that the "land of the free" is the land of the me me me!". That the land based on law is the land based on 'one law for me and one law for you!'
While every country needs a sensible immigration policy, one doesn't have to treat illegal immigrants worse than stray dogs. The worse that can be said about illegals, is that they are trying to find a better life for themselves. Hardly a hanging offence but maybe it soon will be in Arizona.
Please provide examples of how illegal immigrants are treated worse than stray dogs. What about all the legal immigrants? What message does "open borders" send to the millions of people willing to play by the rules? i'm still waiting for that list of "shit" jobs American citizens aren't willing to do along with the list of countries where there are open borders and don't require work visas.
Try facts instead of emotion. Here's something for you to chew upon.
"Both the corporatists and the racists are fond of the mantra, "There are some jobs Americans won't do." It's a lie. Americans will do virtually any job if they're paid a decent wage. This isn't about immigration - it's about economics. Industry and agriculture won't collapse without illegal labor, but the middle class is being crushed by it. The reason why thirty years ago United Farm Workers' Union (UFW) founder César Chávez fought against illegal immigration, and the UFW turned in illegals during his tenure as president, was because Chávez, like progressives since the 1870s, understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability. As Wikipedia notes: "In 1969, Chávez and members of the UFW marched through the Imperial and Coachella Valley to the border of Mexico to protest growers' use of illegal aliens as temporary replacement workers during a strike. Joining him on the march were both the Reverend Ralph Abernathy and US Senator Walter Mondale. Chávez and the UFW would often report suspected illegal aliens who served as temporary replacement workers as well as who refused to unionize to the INS."
and this:
" Meanwhile, the millions of American citizens who came to this nation as legal immigrants, who waited in line for years, who did the hard work to become citizens, are feeling insulted, humiliated, and conned. Shouldn't we be compassionate? Of course. But there is nothing compassionate about driving down the wages of any nation's middle class. It's the most cynical, self-serving, greedy, and sociopathic behavior you'll see from our "conservatives." There is nothing compassionate about being the national enabler of a dysfunctional oligarchy like Mexico. An illegal workforce in the US sending an estimated $17 billion to Mexico every year - second only in national income to that country's oil revenues - supports an antidemocratic, anti-worker, hyper-conservative administration there that gleefully ships out of that nation the "troublesome" Mexican citizens - those lowest on the economic food-chain and thus most likely to present "labor unrest" - to the USA. Mexico (and other "sending nations") need not deal with their own social and economic problems so long as we're willing to solve them for them - at the expense of our middle class. Democracy in Central and South America be damned - there are profits to be made for Wal-Mart! Similarly, there is nothing compassionate about handing higher profits (through a larger and thus cheaper work force) to the CEOs of America's largest corporations and our now-experiencing-record-profits construction and agriculture industries."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/033106H.shtml
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