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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/20/2006 12:55:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pat Buchanan, who was in Nixon adminstration, and Paul Craig Roberts who was in Reagan administration both have their articles on this topic at http://vdare.com/.  Many other in the field also have their writings there.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/20/2006 1:31:21 PM   
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Pat Buchanan, who was in Nixon adminstration, and Paul Craig Roberts who was in Reagan administration both have their articles on this topic at http://vdare.com/.  Many other in the field also have their writings there.


Jack45:
I have read the above website and come to the conclussion that a more succint title might be "Racism for the politically correct"
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/21/2006 2:25:40 AM   
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people entering the US illegally, we will not resolve the problem.  You can't stop a skunk from coming into your yard if you keep putting out food for it.



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Your post is a little unclear...is it your position that hispanics and skunks are the same?
thompson


i don't care if they are hispanic or swedish (my own ancestry) i was talking about illegal aliens of any flavor.


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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/21/2006 7:22:32 AM   
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Unless Pelosi and the Democrats do something about this it'll be a short two years for them.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/21/2006 8:25:18 AM   
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All the Polls show that Americans are fed-up with this situation and want that border closed and our immigration laws enforced like our govt. should be doing.
Unless Pelosi and the Democrats do something about this it'll be a short two years for them.


When did we Americans ever vote to change our original immigration laws? Yet it happened against our best interests, will the politicians undo the evil that has been done?
I saw an episode of ABC  show, Boston Legal,   one of the segments was about these twin girls, and one of the girls was on the witness stand saying that in California, Texas, and New Mexico that White people were in the minority.  I looked it up and it was the truth.
Now whether that is a good thing to be celebrated or not is not the issue it is that the changes made were not something the American people knew about until it was too late and even then they had no idea.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/21/2006 8:31:09 AM   
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White people were in the minority.  I looked it up and it was the truth.
And is that a bad thing?

This isn't a matter of race or nationality. I was surprised to learn that many Hispanic organizations don't see it that way. They too make nationality and racial prejudice the issue. It isn't It is a matter of legal immigration. Citizens of the US and those with 'green cards' and those waiting in the proper line for citizenship are the ones being negatively impacted by these illegal aliens. However if they happen to be the same race, creed, or nationality they are unfairly being used as pawns for the money seeking PAC's.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/21/2006 9:43:42 AM   
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/21/2006 11:09:53 AM   
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All the Polls show that Americans are fed-up with this situation and want that border closed and our immigration laws enforced like our govt. should be doing.
Unless Pelosi and the Democrats do something about this it'll be a short two years for them.


When did we Americans ever vote to change our original immigration laws? Yet it happened against our best interests, will the politicians undo the evil that has been done?
I saw an episode of ABC  show, Boston Legal,   one of the segments was about these twin girls, and one of the girls was on the witness stand saying that in California, Texas, and New Mexico that White people were in the minority.  I looked it up and it was the truth.
Now whether that is a good thing to be celebrated or not is not the issue it is that the changes made were not something the American people knew about until it was too late and even then they had no idea.



Jack45:
I do not know where you looked up your stats that  white people are a minority in California but you are wrong.
According to the US census hispanics make up abut 22% of California population and white people make up 49%...
If you continue to rely on tv soaps for factual information then there is no help for you.
The fact that white people are not a majority does not make them a minority.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/21/2006 4:41:00 PM   
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When did we Americans ever vote to change our original immigration laws? Yet it happened against our best interests, will the politicians undo the evil that has been done?
I saw an episode of ABC  show, Boston Legal,   one of the segments was about these twin girls, and one of the girls was on the witness stand saying that in California, Texas, and New Mexico that White people were in the minority.  I looked it up and it was the truth.
Now whether that is a good thing to be celebrated or not is not the issue it is that the changes made were not something the American people knew about until it was too late and even then they had no idea.



You may be interested in this little factoid:

About 47% of voters of Hispanic descent voted for Prop 200 in Arizona which denied some freebies to illegals. Update:  Arizona voters just passed Props 100, 103,  and 300.   AP poll

PHOENIX — About half the Hispanics who voted Tuesday in Arizona supported a successful ballot proposal that makes English the state's official language, according to an exit poll by The Associated Press.

The other props, all of which passed by a large margin,  denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT! Thank You, Arizona. So don't try to tell me that anyone that supports such measures is a racist.




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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/21/2006 6:23:20 PM   
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When did we Americans ever vote to change our original immigration laws? Yet it happened against our best interests, will the politicians undo the evil that has been done?
I saw an episode of ABC  show, Boston Legal,   one of the segments was about these twin girls, and one of the girls was on the witness stand saying that in California, Texas, and New Mexico that White people were in the minority.  I looked it up and it was the truth.
Now whether that is a good thing to be celebrated or not is not the issue it is that the changes made were not something the American people knew about until it was too late and even then they had no idea.



You may be interested in this little factoid:

About 47% of voters of Hispanic descent voted for Prop 200 in Arizona which denied some freebies to illegals. Update:  Arizona voters just passed Props 100, 103,  and 300.   AP poll

PHOENIX — About half the Hispanics who voted Tuesday in Arizona supported a successful ballot proposal that makes English the state's official language, according to an exit poll by The Associated Press.

The other props, all of which passed by a large margin,  denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT! Thank You, Arizona. So don't try to tell me that anyone that supports such measures is a racist.





eyesopened:
Lest see property taxes pay for schools and unless you live under a bridge you pay property tax  so arizona gets to tax them but not give them what they pay for...gee that does not sound too racist.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/22/2006 1:31:37 AM   
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You may be interested in this little factoid:

About 47% of voters of Hispanic descent voted for Prop 200 in Arizona which denied some freebies to illegals. Update:  Arizona voters just passed Props 100, 103,  and 300.   AP poll

PHOENIX — About half the Hispanics who voted Tuesday in Arizona supported a successful ballot proposal that makes English the state's official language, according to an exit poll by The Associated Press.

The other props, all of which passed by a large margin,  denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT! Thank You, Arizona. So don't try to tell me that anyone that supports such measures is a racist.





eyesopened:
Lest see property taxes pay for schools and unless you live under a bridge you pay property tax  so arizona gets to tax them but not give them what they pay for...gee that does not sound too racist.
thompson


In your quest to speak only on emotional issues and not facts, the facts above state that hispanic citizens agree with other non-hispanics in issues that involve illegal immigration.  Only racists think this is a race issue.  Now, want to look at the law?  The law says that you cannot sue to recover something gained by illegal activity.  Sheesh!  If you work illegally and pay taxes that falls under the category of "too bad" because the tax was paid on an illegal activity.  The same reason drug dealers can get their property siezed even if they paid taxes on it.  Get it?? 


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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/22/2006 3:00:17 AM   
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When did we Americans ever vote to change our original immigration laws? Yet it happened against our best interests, will the politicians undo the evil that has been done?
I saw an episode of ABC  show, Boston Legal,   one of the segments was about these twin girls, and one of the girls was on the witness stand saying that in California, Texas, and New Mexico that White people were in the minority.  I looked it up and it was the truth.
Now whether that is a good thing to be celebrated or not is not the issue it is that the changes made were not something the American people knew about until it was too late and even then they had no idea.



You may be interested in this little factoid:

About 47% of voters of Hispanic descent voted for Prop 200 in Arizona which denied some freebies to illegals. Update:  Arizona voters just passed Props 100, 103,  and 300.   AP poll

PHOENIX — About half the Hispanics who voted Tuesday in Arizona supported a successful ballot proposal that makes English the state's official language, according to an exit poll by The Associated Press.

The other props, all of which passed by a large margin,  denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT! Thank You, Arizona. So don't try to tell me that anyone that supports such measures is a racist.



Doesn't this send out the message that the "land of the free" is the land of the me me me!". That the land based on law is the land based on 'one law for me and one law for you!'

While every country needs a sensible immigration policy, one doesn't have to treat illegal immigrants worse than stray dogs. The worse that can be said about illegals, is that they are trying to find a better life for themselves. Hardly a hanging offence but maybe it soon will be in Arizona.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/22/2006 3:37:39 AM   
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Doesn't this send out the message that the "land of the free" is the land of the me me me!". That the land based on law is the land based on 'one law for me and one law for you!'

While every country needs a sensible immigration policy, one doesn't have to treat illegal immigrants worse than stray dogs. The worse that can be said about illegals, is that they are trying to find a better life for themselves. Hardly a hanging offence but maybe it soon will be in Arizona.


Please provide examples of how illegal immigrants are treated worse than stray dogs.  What about all the legal immigrants?  What message does "open borders" send to the millions of people willing to play by the rules?  i'm still waiting for that list of "shit" jobs American citizens aren't willing to do along with the list of countries where there are open borders and don't require work visas. 

Try facts instead of emotion.  Here's something for you to chew upon.

"Both the corporatists and the racists are fond of the mantra, "There are some jobs Americans won't do." It's a lie.     Americans will do virtually any job if they're paid a decent wage. This isn't about immigration - it's about economics. Industry and agriculture won't collapse without illegal labor, but the middle class is being crushed by it.     The reason why thirty years ago United Farm Workers' Union (UFW) founder César Chávez fought against illegal immigration, and the UFW turned in illegals during his tenure as president, was because Chávez, like progressives since the 1870s, understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability.     As Wikipedia notes: "In 1969, Chávez and members of the UFW marched through the Imperial and Coachella Valley to the border of Mexico to protest growers' use of illegal aliens as temporary replacement workers during a strike. Joining him on the march were both the Reverend Ralph Abernathy and US Senator Walter Mondale. Chávez and the UFW would often report suspected illegal aliens who served as temporary replacement workers as well as who refused to unionize to the INS."

and this:
" Meanwhile, the millions of American citizens who came to this nation as legal immigrants, who waited in line for years, who did the hard work to become citizens, are feeling insulted, humiliated, and conned.     Shouldn't we be compassionate? Of course.     But there is nothing compassionate about driving down the wages of any nation's middle class. It's the most cynical, self-serving, greedy, and sociopathic behavior you'll see from our "conservatives."     There is nothing compassionate about being the national enabler of a dysfunctional oligarchy like Mexico. An illegal workforce in the US sending an estimated $17 billion to Mexico every year - second only in national income to that country's oil revenues - supports an antidemocratic, anti-worker, hyper-conservative administration there that gleefully ships out of that nation the "troublesome" Mexican citizens - those lowest on the economic food-chain and thus most likely to present "labor unrest" - to the USA. Mexico (and other "sending nations") need not deal with their own social and economic problems so long as we're willing to solve them for them - at the expense of our middle class. Democracy in Central and South America be damned - there are profits to be made for Wal-Mart!     Similarly, there is nothing compassionate about handing higher profits (through a larger and thus cheaper work force) to the CEOs of America's largest corporations and our now-experiencing-record-profits construction and agriculture industries."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/033106H.shtml



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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/22/2006 5:06:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eer....you wrote in your previous post. Now I'm not suggesting that Arizona is a racist state which you are defending it against but denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT!

You may be interested in this little factoid:

About 47% of voters of Hispanic descent voted for Prop 200 in Arizona which denied some freebies to illegals. Update:  Arizona voters just passed Props 100, 103,  and 300.   AP poll

PHOENIX — About half the Hispanics who voted Tuesday in Arizona supported a successful ballot proposal that makes English the state's official language, according to an exit poll by The Associated Press.

The other props, all of which passed by a large margin,  denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT! Thank You, Arizona. So don't try to tell me that anyone that supports such measures is a racist.
 
Don't forget that the USA is the richest country in the world, it doesn't need to deny people of human dignity and if there was a little enlightenment it would see it is not in its overall interest to deny people their dignity. Even an illegal that is educated will be a positive to the economy where an uneducated one won't. As for denying bail, that is window dressing, a sop to people like you who appear to believe illegals are sub-human. 


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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/22/2006 5:18:03 AM   
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/22/2006 8:12:26 AM   
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You may be interested in this little factoid:

About 47% of voters of Hispanic descent voted for Prop 200 in Arizona which denied some freebies to illegals. Update:  Arizona voters just passed Props 100, 103,  and 300.   AP poll

PHOENIX — About half the Hispanics who voted Tuesday in Arizona supported a successful ballot proposal that makes English the state's official language, according to an exit poll by The Associated Press.

The other props, all of which passed by a large margin,  denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT! Thank You, Arizona. So don't try to tell me that anyone that supports such measures is a racist.





eyesopened:
Lest see property taxes pay for schools and unless you live under a bridge you pay property tax  so arizona gets to tax them but not give them what they pay for...gee that does not sound too racist.
thompson


In your quest to speak only on emotional issues and not facts, the facts above state that hispanic citizens agree with other non-hispanics in issues that involve illegal immigration. 
No the facts above state that some 47% (a minority) agree.  Your factoid fails to mention what percentage of the population voted.  Or what percentage of the hispanic voters voted.

Only racists think this is a race issue. 
How do you arrive at this conclusion?


Now, want to look at the law?  The law says that you cannot sue to recover something gained by illegal activity. 
The illegal activity is being here without documentation not the work.  You know kinda like driving without a license.  They can make you a pedesterian but they cannot confiscate your car.

Sheesh!  If you work illegally and pay taxes that falls under the category of "too bad" because the tax was paid on an illegal activity.  The same reason drug dealers can get their property siezed even if they paid taxes on it. 
No the government can only sieze that property that was purchased with the drug money.  Not property that was purchased with non drug money.

Get it?? 
Perhaps you might want to look at some of my post on this subject berfore you accuse me of speaking only to emotional issues and not to facts.  I have said over and over again that the way to solve the immigration problem is to attack the source and not the attribute.  Apply the asset forfeiture laws to the employers of illegal aliens.
When you say they are not entitled to the services that they pay for because they were paid for with money earned in an illegal enterprise does that mean you would confiscate their wages and pump their stomachs of the food they purchased with illegally obtained money?  Would you freeze Mexico's assets in this country to retrieve all the money that these people earned in this country illegally?
Would'nt your logic approve of the government confiscation of your car for being illegally parked.
The constitution guaranties all people, not only citizens, the right to non excessive bail.
 
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/22/2006 8:16:26 AM   
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When did we Americans ever vote to change our original immigration laws? Yet it happened against our best interests, will the politicians undo the evil that has been done?
I saw an episode of ABC  show, Boston Legal,   one of the segments was about these twin girls, and one of the girls was on the witness stand saying that in California, Texas, and New Mexico that White people were in the minority.  I looked it up and it was the truth.
Now whether that is a good thing to be celebrated or not is not the issue it is that the changes made were not something the American people knew about until it was too late and even then they had no idea.



You may be interested in this little factoid:

About 47% of voters of Hispanic descent voted for Prop 200 in Arizona which denied some freebies to illegals. Update:  Arizona voters just passed Props 100, 103,  and 300.   AP poll

PHOENIX — About half the Hispanics who voted Tuesday in Arizona supported a successful ballot proposal that makes English the state's official language, according to an exit poll by The Associated Press.

The other props, all of which passed by a large margin,  denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT! Thank You, Arizona. So don't try to tell me that anyone that supports such measures is a racist.





"Racist?" Since when did "Hispanic" become a "Race?"
There are only three (3) Races; Negroid, Mongoloid, Caucasoid.
"Hispanic" is *not* a "race" it is an Ethnic group just like Saxon, Celtic, or Tarter.
Being of Irish heritage I can't go around calling myself a different "race" by calling myself "Celtic."
It would seem that some are attempting to play a "race card" where none exists.
Also, if someone is in this country illegally I really don't care which race or ethnic group they belong to.
They just need to leave.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/22/2006 8:41:08 AM   
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When did we Americans ever vote to change our original immigration laws? Yet it happened against our best interests, will the politicians undo the evil that has been done?
I saw an episode of ABC  show, Boston Legal,   one of the segments was about these twin girls, and one of the girls was on the witness stand saying that in California, Texas, and New Mexico that White people were in the minority.  I looked it up and it was the truth.
Now whether that is a good thing to be celebrated or not is not the issue it is that the changes made were not something the American people knew about until it was too late and even then they had no idea.



You may be interested in this little factoid:

About 47% of voters of Hispanic descent voted for Prop 200 in Arizona which denied some freebies to illegals. Update:  Arizona voters just passed Props 100, 103,  and 300.   AP poll

PHOENIX — About half the Hispanics who voted Tuesday in Arizona supported a successful ballot proposal that makes English the state's official language, according to an exit poll by The Associated Press.

The other props, all of which passed by a large margin,  denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT! Thank You, Arizona. So don't try to tell me that anyone that supports such measures is a racist.





"Racist?" Since when did "Hispanic" become a "Race?"
There are only three (3) Races; Negroid, Mongoloid, Caucasoid.
"Hispanic" is *not* a "race" it is an Ethnic group just like Saxon, Celtic, or Tarter.
Being of Irish heritage I can't go around calling myself a different "race" by calling myself "Celtic."
It would seem that some are attempting to play a "race card" where none exists.
Also, if someone is in this country illegally I really don't care which race or ethnic group they belong to.
They just need to leave.



popeye:
I would submit that there is only one race....the human race.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/23/2006 2:47:28 AM   
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Eer....you wrote in your previous post. Now I'm not suggesting that Arizona is a racist state which you are defending it against but denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT!

You may be interested in this little factoid:

About 47% of voters of Hispanic descent voted for Prop 200 in Arizona which denied some freebies to illegals. Update:  Arizona voters just passed Props 100, 103,  and 300.   AP poll

PHOENIX — About half the Hispanics who voted Tuesday in Arizona supported a successful ballot proposal that makes English the state's official language, according to an exit poll by The Associated Press.

The other props, all of which passed by a large margin,  denied bail to illegals and denied tuition and other education breaks. EXCELLENT! Thank You, Arizona. So don't try to tell me that anyone that supports such measures is a racist.
 
Don't forget that the USA is the richest country in the world, it doesn't need to deny people of human dignity and if there was a little enlightenment it would see it is not in its overall interest to deny people their dignity. Even an illegal that is educated will be a positive to the economy where an uneducated one won't. As for denying bail, that is window dressing, a sop to people like you who appear to believe illegals are sub-human. 



How does upholding the rights of citizens and people who play by  the rules get translated into believing illegals are sub-human?  Have illegal workers been exploited?  Yes!  But they are still criminals.  We debate the same thing over the "rights" of the incarerated and many people are under the belief that a criminal has more rights than the victim.  Who are the victims when people break into the US and take jobs?  The unemployed US citizen and the guest-worker who came here legally and played by the rules.  i have tried to post links to creditable sources and all i get back is emotional opinion.  How does paying tax give a person the same rights as a citizen.  If i buy a house in France will i get the same rights as a French citizen? If i work in Canada do i get the same rights as a Canadian citizen?  i think not, but again, if i am wrong please provide proof, as i am somewhat into public humiliation anyway.  Why should the child of an illegal worker get the same (or in many cases more, because they are often considered minority) tuition breaks as my children?  Why?  What other countries are doing this?  i am hugely interested because if i can move to a different country that will provide me and my childern more benefits without being a citizen i will be happy to move there.  Please?  The list?


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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/23/2006 2:51:19 AM   
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The point is, if an illegal gets caught there is a process they go through but if they don't and are treated like the scum of the earth, exploited and paid slave wages, the chances are some will eventually become a problem. It is much cheaper to prevent criminality starting than trying to stop it once it starts. Far better to have people doing something productive than decending into criminality through rejection and scorn.


Far better yet to enter the US legally (still waiting for a list of countries that grant more guest-workers) and avoid the problem altogether.  i agree with you entirely that our current immigration laws need to be vigorously enforced!


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