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SimplyV -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 3:18:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

I would have plenty of limits then, things like
1. Is this potential Dom sane? If not..limit limit. *grin*


Thats the difference hey

*laughs loudly*  That would be my opinion too.. Its all fine and dandy to have no limits with a specific person.  However I find "slaves" that advertise to the open world or to potential Dom/mes that they have no limits.. its like a challenge.  Sets my little evil streak right in motion. 

I start thinking of "limits" that this "no limits" person probably has..  like.. Amputations, Death.. Then I start getting creative.. Like..
"I'd like you to have sex with dead animals, preferably roadkill"
"I will lock you in a cage all day and ignore you. You will only be let out to do my dishes. (no other play of any kind)"
"You will be required to finance my every whim, by becoming a whore. When you're used up, you'll be disposed of"
"Every week, I will devise a new way to kill you "by accident".. until I finally succeed. I'll start with making you destroy a bee hive with your bare hands."
"You will be forced to work a suit and tie deskjob at least 60 hours a week"









slavejali -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 3:27:18 AM)

damn You ARE evil!!!! grin hehehehe (laughing so hard here)



MHOO314 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 5:08:46 AM)

Here is My all time favorite for those no limit pain slut boys who say "real men" take pain--
 
Ok hon, We are going to meet, the Wal-mart is close to you, that's a great place--after hours though as we will be in the parking lot--you will of course arrive with your requisite erection and I with My formidable black Hummer--you will strip of course, I will tie one end of this rope to your cock and the other to the bumper of My car < now now, no whimpering, you did say you had NO LIMITS>--its a cool CBT method I have been practicing--<oh what am I practicing? hearing the safeword over the roar of the engine and the squeal of the tires!>--
 
Oh but you have no limits, so we don't have to worry about hearing the safeword---ok then--Guido, start that engine!



OkSMWhiphandler -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 5:10:15 AM)

There is a bottom in the dungeon that I attend and he is as close to a no limits as I have seen and it has been referred that you could take a chainsaw and cut off his arm and he would only rate that at a leval 3 in pain intencity but he still has both arms lol but I do enjoy getting to play whith him on ocasion no one has been able to get him to red out yet but that is not the goal
there is no such thing as a no limits slave in real time jmho
Steve



MrDiscipline44 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 5:23:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I'm surprised.  The only person whose comments I find at all reasonable is Amayos.  Otherwise, I disagree with just about everyone on this thread, including, surprisingly, JohnWarren.

There is such a thing as a no-limits slave--and not one who is defective or deluded or insane.  It is a slave who would do literally anything for his or her master.  No more and no less.  You don't find people like that every day, and even someone who has the capacity to become a no-limits slave isn't born that way.  But they exist.

If it's not for you, by all means don't do it.  But I am very very very surprised that such an open-minded crowd as this should be so quick to dismiss the whole thing as fantasy (or worse).

Actually, I agree with you, LaM, and slavejali and Amayos. But the arguement gets tiresome after having it for what? The third time this year alone. Countless times last year. And people still don't listen and only discount what others say with stupid "what if" comments that aren't based on any reality. My slaves are no limits, my companion is no limits. Why? Because I've taken the time to show and build the type of trust needed to have such. If some chick emailed me right now that she was in m area and was no limits and wanted an M/s relationship, would I take her up on it? Yes, after I took the time to make sure there is no or was no mental illness in her now, in her past or her family history. Does that mean I'm going to come after her with a chinsaw and a hockey mask? No, that would just be stupid and damage a piece of property that I will want to use later. Why would I want to do that?

Another point to make is that if someone does not believe a person can be no limts with another, why should I care what they think? It doesn't matter to me if twiggy the OP does not believe in my no limits relationships. They don't involve him. They won't involve him and his line of thinking only shows that he will never achieve the type of trust that I have with my girls.

So fuck it. This horse has been dragged up and beat some many times that it's just a joke. There will always be those that refuse to believe and those that achieved. The only thing that matters to me is which am I and my girls.



JohnWarren -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 5:27:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Merc mentioned revving up a chainsaw.. I'd bet dollars to donuts.. it's a bluff and he would no more cut off the arms and legs of a slave than my Master would, unless I happen to 'need' my arms and legs cut off for who knows what reason. Whatever reason he had to do so, it would be necessary, I'm sure. I'd bet dollars to donuts that John Warren would no more participate in a snuff scene than Master would. 


Then you are saying just about what I say.  It's not a matter of no limits; it's a matter of matching limits between partners.

You're probably right about your illustrations.   While I have killed, it hasn't been part of a scene, but there are those who have and would.  If someone has "no" rather than "matching" limits, then he or she would have no problem submitting to such a person.

I just don't see it within the range "I" consider "sane."  Even with the documented suicide scenes, the one's I've heard about contained limits (if only "you will kill me") and some were as chorographed as a kabuki play.



Mercnbeth -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 6:02:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Merc mentioned revving up a chainsaw.. I'd bet dollars to donuts.. it's a bluff and he would no more cut off the arms and legs of a slave than my Master would, unless I happen to 'need' my arms and legs cut off for who knows what reason. Whatever reason he had to do so, it would be necessary, I'm sure. I'd bet dollars to donuts that John Warren would no more participate in a snuff scene than Master would. 


Then you are saying just about what I say.  It's not a matter of no limits; it's a matter of matching limits between partners.


It's not a case of not believing in a "no limits" slave, its referencing a self proclaimed or advertisement of "no limits". Every time this subject is brought up, I say that beth is a "Merc-no limits" slave. In other words she has MY limits. I think everyone who says these unicorns exist represents they exist in this circumstance only; attached to another person. Any challenge - refer to John's hot poker or my chainsaw.

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 L&M: It is a slave who would do literally anything for his or her master.  No more and no less.  You don't find people like that every day, and even someone who has the capacity to become a no-limits slave isn't born that way.  But they exist.


How about a FAQ section of this site? L&M's quote would be nice, succinct and correct. If someone continues to ask they get John's; the third time generates the sound of a chainsaw.



ownedgirlie -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 6:17:19 AM)

MrD and Celeste, Bravo for both your posts.  You both said what i have been trying to say as well. Unfortunately our posts seem all for naught, as even after Celeste's so eloquent, well stated post, we are still reading how such a scenario can not possibly exist.

No limits, matching limits....The fact is, i have no stated limits to my Master.  And it seems Celeste does not either (to her own Master, that is...heh).  The fact is, i have no stated anything to my Master other than devotion and absolute obedience.  i do not tell my Master, "my limits are your limits."  i tell him, "i have no limits, no barriers to you. Anything you choose to do with me, i will welcome." 

John Warren, regardless of how we choose to define  "none" or "matching" (when really all i am doing is obeying Master because he can, at any time, change his limits...and he has),  i'm glad you decided to restate your response minus the comments about insanity and about snuff.  All those comments did were to contribute toward the ridicule of a slave having no self defined limits.

MrD, i said the same thing you did in a previous post, when one of the "what if" questions was about shoving barbed wire up someone's ass.  Why would my Master destroy that which he worked so hard to build?  i do him no good if i am dead, mutilated, or jailed.  So he has no intention or desire to do such things.  Why destroy that which he benefits from?  Only a fool would do that.

The rhetorical question i have stopped asking is, why must others feel the need to define me or tell me what i'm experiencing does not and can not exist?  The next rhetorical question is (similar to Mr D's)....why do i care.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 6:21:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
The rhetorical question i have stopped asking is, why must others feel the need to define me or tell me what i'm experiencing does not and can not exist?  The next rhetorical question is (similar to Mr D's)....why do i care.

It's what we do when we try and sort out others situations from us when they are dissonant from our own understandings.  If someone were to ask me what I thought about your relationship, I'd say that you have the same limits as your master.  And IMO this is true- if he tells you something is a limit, then you accept it as a limit.  If he tells you something isn't a limit, then you accept it as not a limit.

However, I understand the way you word it and process is it slightly different from that particular way.

It's just how others try and process- it's why people think poly can't really be intimate, it's why people think switches are really just confused, it's why people think vanilla really isn't happy...so on and so forth.



ownedgirlie -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 6:24:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


It's just how others try and process- it's why people think poly can't really be intimate, it's why people think switches are really just confused, it's why people think vanilla really isn't happy...so on and so forth.


i understand that.  i guess it baffles me because i would never tell someone the dynamics of their relationship could not exist or was insane.



MistressSassy66 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 6:32:14 AM)

I know that "no limits" can mean that either they dont know what they are talking about or they do from experiences.
In either case I dont like sessioning with "no limits".I think limits are important to ensure safety of all parties.



Lordandmaster -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 10:26:02 AM)

No limits is not the same thing as matching limits.  The fact that a master would not ask a slave to do certain things doesn't mean she wouldn't do them.  (And it doesn't matter whether they're legal or not--that's a false distinction too.)

This seems to be another one of those instances where people who have not experienced something--or probably, judging from these comments, never will experience something--decide that it must be a fantasy, or a delusion, or a manifestation of mental illness.  I'm just surprised, and of course disappointed, that people who immediately attack the my-kink-is-better-than-your-kink crap have fallen into exactly the same trap here.

I'll agree with this: people who put things like "HI u all I'm a no-limits slave looking for a discrete partner" in their profiles tend to be players.  But that doesn't mean there aren't no-limits slaves in this world.



subtoFemDommes -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 11:10:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyV
I start thinking of "limits" that this "no limits" person probably has..  like.. Amputations, Death.. Then I start getting creative..

Like..
<snip> "You will be forced to work a suit and tie deskjob at least 60 hours a week"


Alright, i think the "real" sadist around here has been revealed!  Geeze, is there no decency?



swellslave -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 11:10:54 AM)

There are slaves that effectively have no limits. Yes, i qualified it a bit. But, those limits that do exist are superficial, like hesitation and nervousness at first. However, that can be overcome.

There were some excellent ideas brought out by Dominants that took the possibility seriously enough to dream about what They would enjoy. i wish to know: Are there any Dommes who want such a slave?



thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 11:18:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

No limits is not the same thing as matching limits. The fact that a master would not ask a slave to do certain things doesn't mean she wouldn't do them. (And it doesn't matter whether they're legal or not--that's a false distinction too.)

This seems to be another one of those instances where people who have not experienced something--or probably, judging from these comments, never will experience something--decide that it must be a fantasy, or a delusion, or a manifestation of mental illness. I'm just surprised, and of course disappointed, that people who immediately attack the my-kink-is-better-than-your-kink crap have fallen into exactly the same trap here.

I'll agree with this: people who put things like "HI u all I'm a no-limits slave looking for a discrete partner" in their profiles tend to be players. But that doesn't mean there aren't no-limits slaves in this world.


That would grow over time in an owned relationship I think but then isn't the distinction between matched limits and no limits blurred in that case? If someone has matched limits it might seem like you'd do anything for them but since they'd never ask something outside that range how could you know.

The legal better be important. The BS of "my owner told me too" didn't even fly in the Roman courts it certainly would not fly in ours. Now you might "get off" for mental illness or something but each person who is a compentant adult is legally responsible for his/her own actions regardless of what an "owner" orders.

Plus I'd argue that in an owned situation, the slave's first duty is to make the owner's life easier and better -- getting them (together or separately) in trouble with the law will not accomplish that. In that case, limits might be necessary to protect the prime reason for the ownership at all.

Of course this is why I own a slave, might not be another person's reason.





BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 11:37:32 AM)

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And IMO this is true- if he tells you something is a limit, then you accept it as a limit. 


I just wanted to respond to this real quick because in my case, it's not true. There are things which I adore but Himself has no interest in or which are limits for him. We don't do those things, but I certainly would and remain very open to helping him grow and expand beyond the limits which he has embraced. For example, hook suspension is something Himself will not participate in, won't watch and does not embrace but it hasn't suddenly become a limit for me because it's a limit for him. He doesn't require nor would he expect me to become less than what I already am or do less than I did before I knew him  .. he wants me to become more.  I don't have the ability to forget that which I know. To embrace limits of others which I don't possess is no more possible than forgetting that 2+2=4. Himself can tell me to flap my arms really fast and fly.. and that's not going to happen either. ::chuckles::

Celeste



BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 11:44:31 AM)

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The legal better be important. The BS of "my owner told me too" didn't even fly in the Roman courts it certainly would not fly in ours.


I do things which are illegal all the time because Himself has told me to and he does even more things which are illegal in our state.

We're adults, we'll deal if need be.

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Plus I'd argue that in an owned situation, the slave's first duty is to make the owner's life easier and better -- getting them (together or separately) in trouble with the law will not accomplish that.


You can argue this all you want and for you, it may be true. My 'first' duty is to obey, whether that makes Master's life easier, better or not.. that's his call, not mine.

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Of course this is why I own a slave, might not be another person's reason.


Exactly. :)



Celeste



NorthCaliDom -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 11:54:15 AM)

I'm in agreement with those who believe that there are in fact no limit slaves in the world. Naturally, most of those who claim to be no limits are fake. Then again, on the internet especially, there is a high percentage of fake anyway. 'No limits' doesnt always means 'matching limits'. Like has been stated already in this, just because a Master doesnt ask something of the slave does not mean that she wouldnt do it. Personally, I no limit slaves are whats of interest to me. Not because I have incredibly extreme interests (usually [;)]), but because I see 'no limits' as total devotion and obediance. Which, for me is what a slave should be. Though, I do not claim to personally have a lack of any limits. Also, even with a 'no limits slave', because I do know the natural limits that can be found in a person, regardless of their claim, I would not be pushing the harder line of tasks at first. Any slave, limits or otherwise, requires training. So even if I get a girl who claims to, and agrees to be my 'no limits' slave, I understand that she is going to require training to actually reach that point. At the beginning, hesitation is normal, but can be trained out of a person. Now, just because a person has a no limits slave, doesnt mean they are going to take advantage of that fact and seriously injure the slave or kill them... its important to find someone who is sane..



thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 12:14:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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The legal better be important. The BS of "my owner told me too" didn't even fly in the Roman courts it certainly would not fly in ours.


I do things which are illegal all the time because Himself has told me to and he does even more things which are illegal in our state.

We're adults, we'll deal if need be.

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Plus I'd argue that in an owned situation, the slave's first duty is to make the owner's life easier and better -- getting them (together or separately) in trouble with the law will not accomplish that.


You can argue this all you want and for you, it may be true. My 'first' duty is to obey, whether that makes Master's life easier, better or not.. that's his call, not mine.

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Of course this is why I own a slave, might not be another person's reason.


Exactly. :)

Celeste


Also another great examples of how we can't take for granted when any one term means because we each will use them differently.

For me, a submissive's first duty would be to obey; the slave's is to make life easier and better.



BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/28/2006 12:41:11 PM)

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Also another great examples of how we can't take for granted when any one term means because we each will use them differently.

For me, a submissive's first duty would be to obey; the slave's is to make life easier and better.


So you believe a slave should determine and make the choices when or when not to obey? If the slave determines that disobedience to an order would make life better or easier for their Master, then they should take it upon themselves to do so even if that is diametrically opposed to the Master's determination? Sounds like the perfect ingredients for a power struggle. How do you determine whose right it is to decide? What if the Master gives an order to the slave, and the slave doesn't know the 'big picture' regarding that order so decides it would be better not to follow that instruction because s/he has determined that to do so would not improve or make easier the life of the Master? Such a philosophy would confuse the hell out of me. Where is the consistancy? Where is the power?

Celeste



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