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dorsaisgirl1 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 12:36:09 PM)

i was not puting you down . and the message was not sent personaly to you



BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 12:39:06 PM)

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Is there a BDSM meaning for "no limits"?


There certainly is for me.

Celeste



valeca -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 12:48:19 PM)

doraisagirl, just for my own edification, I'd appreciate you pointing out where bitatruble made claims of being a super-slave, wants the world to know it, and tell her what a devoted slave she is.  I seemed to have missed that part.  I did, however, see her give an alternate viewpoint for others to mull over when forming their own conclusions.

Thanks in advance.

Edited to add:  If your post wasn't directed toward bita, then disregard with my apologies for misunderstanding the post. (edited a second time for a damn spelling error.)



JohnWarren -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 12:53:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Is there a BDSM meaning for "no limits"?


There certainly is for me.

Celeste


And how is it different from when a vanilla says "I have no limits"?



BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 1:01:42 PM)

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And how is it different from when a vanilla says "I have no limits"?


I'm not vanilla, so I can't speak to a vanilla mindset. I would wonder though, how is it the same? I've never heard anyone who does have a vanilla mindset utter those words, but I admit, I don't know a whole lot of vanilla people on an intimate level.

Celeste




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 1:04:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
I'm not vanilla, so I can't speak to a vanilla mindset. I would wonder though, how is it the same? I've never heard anyone who does have a vanilla mindset utter those words, but I admit, I don't know a whole lot of vanilla people on an intimate level.

Celeste


I've heard vanilla people say "No way would I ever do that" all the time, or "that's not going to happen in my life."  Safe sex is a great example- vanilla people have limits on sex all over the place just like we do. 



dorsaisgirl1 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 1:15:16 PM)

valeca as i said that the post was not directed specificly at bitatrouble or specificly at anyone else for that mater.i grow tired of trying to defend myself becouse i don't live in dreamland



BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 1:18:44 PM)

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I've heard vanilla people say "No way would I ever do that" all the time, or "that's not going to happen in my life."  Safe sex is a great example- vanilla people have limits on sex all over the place just like we do. 


Yeah, I've heard plenty of that as well, but John's question was.. how is a vanilla saying that they have no limits different from someone like me saying I have no limits. If I say that it comes from a BDSM mindset and what BDSM means to me, personally.

I'll give an example.. a vanilla gets off on kiddie porn.. because they have 'no limits'. To me.. kiddie porn.. is 'not' bondage, is 'not' discipline' is not 'S/m' ... it's not within the context of BDSM in other words. Lifting 500 lbs.. some vanillas and some BDSMers can certainly lift 500 lbs. I can not. It's not a limit, it's an impossibility, but what the hell does it have to do with BDSM? I think my point was lost somewhere, no doubt due to my inability to clarify myself. Ah well.

Celeste



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 1:27:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
It's not a limit, it's an impossibility, but what the hell does it have to do with BDSM? I think my point was lost somewhere, no doubt due to my inability to clarify myself. Ah well.

Celeste


I agree that we can separate out limits from impossibilities.  Because bdsmers are human and vanillas are human so the possibilities and impossibilities are pretty much the same for both.

But vanillas have limits too- things they CAN do, are ABLE to do, but choose not to do.  A vanilla person saying "I'm not going to have sex with you if you are not tested for diseases" isn't different than a slave saying "I do not consent to have sex if you are not tested for diseases."



BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 1:38:26 PM)

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But vanillas have limits too- things they CAN do, are ABLE to do, but choose not to do.  A vanilla person saying "I'm not going to have sex with you if you are not tested for diseases" isn't different than a slave saying "I do not consent to have sex if you are not tested for diseases."


You are giving examples of what's the same about 'having' limits.. but not addressing the question which is about 'not' having limits.

I think I'm going to have to give up on this one and chalk it up to my 'alien thought process' as Himself likes to call my brain. ::chuckles::

Celeste




thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 1:46:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
It's not a limit, it's an impossibility, but what the hell does it have to do with BDSM? I think my point was lost somewhere, no doubt due to my inability to clarify myself. Ah well.

Celeste


I agree that we can separate out limits from impossibilities. Because bdsmers are human and vanillas are human so the possibilities and impossibilities are pretty much the
same for both.

But vanillas have limits too- things they CAN do, are ABLE to do, but choose not to do. A vanilla person saying "I'm not going to have sex with you if you are not tested for diseases" isn't different than a slave saying "I do not consent to have sex if you are not tested for diseases."


The term "limit" seems to be used in variety of ways in this thread.

When I get to know someone I need and want to know their limits -- not just activities but emotional, physical, legal, spiritual, all of them. Some of these may change over time but I think some of them will not change especially some of the physical ones.

As the top/dom I view limits as information I can use to make decisions about what to do (and who to do it with initially) -- the "limits" limit me as the top (you might also say they limit the bottom too). Its how far I can go, where that boundary is located.

Now a person can say the physical limits are really limitations or impossibilities but that's a difference in terminology. In terms of my use and my decisions, that information, that reality, still limits what I can do with that person or have that person do unless success isn't an issue for me and I like giving impossible commands.

I don't know what else to say about the issue.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 1:46:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
You are giving examples of what's the same about 'having' limits.. but not addressing the question which is about 'not' having limits.

Well I don't know of anything that a vanilla person could choose as a "not limit" that a kinky person couldn't also choose as a "not limit" and vice versa.



valeca -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 2:05:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dorsaisgirl1

valeca as i said that the post was not directed specificly at bitatrouble or specificly at anyone else for that mater.i grow tired of trying to defend myself becouse i don't live in dreamland


I'll assume you simply missed the part where I'd added apologies for misunderstanding in the event your post wasn't directed toward bita, and chalk up your churlishness to the possibility of your having an off day.  If you're feeling you have to defend yourself, perhaps you could re-examine how you're expressing your thoughts/opinions/feelings.  The way we express things projects an image, intended or not.

Anyway, enjoy your evening!



JohnWarren -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 2:28:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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And how is it different from when a vanilla says "I have no limits"?


I'm not vanilla, so I can't speak to a vanilla mindset. I would wonder though, how is it the same? I've never heard anyone who does have a vanilla mindset utter those words, but I admit, I don't know a whole lot of vanilla people on an intimate level.

Celeste


Then there isn't a specific "BDSM meaning" for the words as you were writing.  "No limits" means no limits. 



Lordandmaster -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 2:44:36 PM)

I'm amazed that this is still going on.  Why is everyone trying to convince Bita that she really really really does have limits after all?  It's her life, and frankly, I'd assume she knows more about it than strangers do.

Vanillas are probably able to have their own kind of no-limits relationship (though I'm not sure I understand why vanillas are relevant in the first place).  Of course they wouldn't use terminology like "no limits" or think of themselves as serving a master.  But do you really believe there is NO vanilla person who would honestly do anything his or her lover asked?  I think there must be many.  We only hear about relationships like this in lurid Natural-Born-Killers cases--and we gawk, and get titillated, and soothe ourselves by making comments about how other people must have very fucked-up lives.

And why do people keep asking what "no limits" really means?  It's a phony question.  "NO LIMITS" MEANS THERE IS NOTHING IN YOUR POWER THAT YOU WOULD NOT DO FOR YOUR MASTER.

Nothing.

End of story.

P.S. Yeah, even the chainsaws, if you have to reduce something to absurdity in order to understand it.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 2:49:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
But do you really believe there is NO vanilla person who would honestly do anything his or her lover asked?


I believe any human can and will do anything, given the right context.  I don't think it has anything to do with being a slave or not.

I think "given the right context" covers a vast amount of distance and has nothing to do with "normal situations of life." And no, I'm not going to attempt to define "normal situations of life."

Given normal situations of life, there's plenty a slave will NOT do.  For myself, given normal situations of life, I would NOT hurt my nephews for his whim.



BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 2:57:28 PM)

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Then there isn't a specific "BDSM meaning" for the words as you were writing.  "No limits" means no limits. 


I accept that you believe there is no BDSM meaning for the term 'no limits'. My dictionary describes the word 'no' with the following:

No - 'not hardly' ... as in 'done in no time.'  Done in 'no' time actually does take 'some' time, doesn't it, so why would the dictionary give such a definition? Seems rather ambiguous and yet this is the tome we use to define the words we utter or write to convey our meanings. Our words are often defined by the context in which we use them. So, as I said, I accept your belief that BDSM does not have a meaning for the term 'no limits'.. and that 'no limits' means 'no limits' to you, by whatever standard application or definition and context you choose to use when you utter the word 'no'.

And I believe differently.

Celeste



ExistentialSteel -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 3:09:32 PM)

LA, made an excellent point about people doing anything if the situation is right.
 
If someone is placed among those he/she respects and wants the approval of, he/she will do most anything that the group views as good. There have been many experiments studying that behavior. Matter of fact, it happens here on the CM boards all the time if you pay attention.
 
Knowing this, I am careful to avoid becoming dependent on group approval that could lead me to say or act in ways that I don’t agree with.
 



thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 4:03:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I'm amazed that this is still going on. Why is everyone trying to convince Bita that she really really really does have limits after all? It's her life, and frankly, I'd assume she knows more about it than strangers do.



I don't see anyone trouble to convince Bita that she has or does not have limits in her relationship.



dorsaisgirl1 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 6:57:13 PM)

ohhhhhhhh i see when you say i have no limits i should understand that to you no limits dont meen the same as what i beleive no limits to meen the word no meens no ie nothing none without  not almost none. if you say you have no limits thats fine and its your life and who the hell am i to say otherwise. but i dont see things the same way as you .and i beleive i have made myself clear on what i beleive .the fact is that i don't have to share your beleifes and you don't have to share mine. and i never made this a personal atack on anyone i said everybody has limits and i stand by that you say you don't have limits and you stand by that to each his own



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