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thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 9:48:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: thetammyjo Again, only my models and my definitions. I'm finding it strange that some of you seem to think it applies to you and my making some judgement about how you serve or the models you follow. I'm very sorry if my words have suggested this; wasn't my intent. By the same token it seems you are taking our statement of "no limits" and applying them to your beliefs and judging them. I'm most questioning what "no limits" really means. Clearly it implies something quite different to me to me when I see it, it apparently made Talmar wonder what it meant as well. It must not mean what the words together would necessarily mean because in generally people are eliminating various types of limits or boundaries or abilities or limitations to get to that "no limit" meaning.

thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 9:53:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I agree, the relationship littlesarbonn just described was not truly no-limits. It was she-never-went-beyond-my-limits, which, as I've been urging, is not at all the same thing. My intention was not to question that particular use of "no limits" but why he felt it was a good thing to use to describe his relationship. I'd like to know why it is used at all since there are clearly different definitions of what "no limits" even includes or means. What value does it have to the person using it (in a profile as the OP asked OR in a description of a relationship)? What value does it have to the person reading it? You and I, for example, obviously see the "no limits" term as having very different meanings because we are including different things under that word "limits".

Lordandmaster -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:01:42 AM)
You're confusing two separate things. One is whether "no limits" is a good way to live. That's a matter of opinion. The other is whether there are people who actually live that way. That's a matter of fact. "No limits" is not a philosophy, and the fact that people keep making it out to be more complicated than it is only confirms my sense that it must simply disturb people to contemplate a no-limits relationship that is truly fulfilling on both sides. No-limits may be right for some people, and I'm sure it's wrong for most people. But the fact that a master is imperfect certainly does not "preclude" the possibility that a serve can serve him or her unconditionally. In fact, that's exactly what happens. Slaves serve imperfect masters because slaves serve human masters. quote: ORIGINAL: catize Please read more carefully. My argument is not about obedience. Of course we are obedient, but the reality that all Dom/mes/Masters/Mistresses are humanly flawed precludes the 'no limits' philosophy.

dorsaisgirl1 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:15:45 AM)
It's reached the point where I really have to wonder why people are having so much trouble with this concept. I get the feeling they are just fundamentally and irrationally disturbed by the idea that one human being could serve another with such devotion. so are you trying to say that someone who says they have no limits are more devoted

Lordandmaster -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:23:14 AM)
Yeah, that's hardly what I was saying, but the fact that you went right for a defensive response shows why this is such a touchy issue. The whole "no limits" question has pretty much gone the way EVERY lifestyle choice seems to go in the BDSM world. People find the niche that suits them, and then denigrate everyone who doesn't go that far as "a buncha players," and everyone who goes further as "living in a fantasy." I guess some people cannot feel secure in their own choices without inventing reasons to look down on everyone who makes different ones. Lam quote: ORIGINAL: dorsaisgirl1 so are you trying to say that someone who says they have no limits are more devoted

thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:23:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: thetammyjo Why does it matter what your limits or lack there of are? Why does that determine the quality of the person or the relationship? Instead of looking for someone with "no-limits" why not look for someone with compatible limits, compatible interests, and the appropriate attitude to go with yours (generic)? Instead of striving toward "no-liimits" why not work toward becoming the best owner or slave you can become? When I see "no-limits" in a profile or an ad or hear it in a conversation, it always seems connected to this ideal of what a slave should be. Is the implication then that anyone who has limits then is less of a slave or less serious? Limits are not bad, they aren't signs of being less than; they are boundaries or "limitations" that are part of who we are as human beings. Okay i swear i'm not trying to pick your posts apart! But they compelled me to reply. i didn't see anyone in this thread speak negatively about having limits, or about anyone who has limits. If your interpretation is that those who have no limits somehow look down upon those who do have limits...i don't think that came from anyone here. You asked someone in a different post why they felt the need to define herself as no-limit. i can only fathom the only reason any of us have chosen to "defend" (for lack of a better word) no limits is because of the very first post in reply to the OP was from you, in which you said, "I consider such a idea to be based in fantasy not reality." What is that statement, if not saying those who have no limits are "less than", which is what you have considered we are calling slaves with limits? It's confusing. It's one thing to disagree yet accept another's point of view. It's another to disagree and put them down. Whoa. My first reply was about people whose profiles state they are looking for "no limits" slaves it was not in any way about later developments in a relationship. Later posts addressed the other question about any "no limits" slaves existing and its clear to me that people who use "no limits" to refer to their relationships are not meaning what the words mean to me at all. I take it to mean all limits (or limitations) and not having a single one of these at all. So when I see a profile which is looking for "no limit" slaves then I have to say that I see someone with a fantasy or an ideal. If the OP had been just about the existance of "no limit" slaves then all I could say is that I have never met one who met my definition. I probably would have simply ignored the thread all together then since I have never met someone who fit my definition nor do such "no limit" people interest me personally. Given some of the definitions I've seen on what it means to others then I can understand what that particular person means when he/she uses it. It seems that the vast majority of these definitions are built after a good deal of time with an owner and are not just there snap.

Wildfleurs -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:24:34 AM)
I think that part of the problem of understading no limits is in understanding how that literally works as people can change and shift. I remember a discussion thread on here about expectations when I saw people saying how they expected their dominant/owner to stay the same or similar to the person they basically pledged themselves to. So it sounds like its predicated on the dominant staying fairly similar, which I think is kind of the unspoken assumption. I think for me thats one of the reason why I try to avoid saying that I have no limits. I think it causes a knee jerk reaction but also a just confusion. What I find more accurate is to say that I strive to not have anything off boundaries from my owner and I view it as a continuous process since we are not entirely complementary. I don't think that I would describe that as literally no limits because to me its just part and parcel of constantly trying to adjust to my owner while no limits sounds more generic and like the difference between an easy bake/duncan hines cake and describing the process of making a cake from scratch. C~

plantlady64 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:29:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Slaves serve imperfect masters because slaves serve human masters. Hello All, I was released by my Master three weeks ago due to this very thing. Masters can make mistakes too. I say if you and your Master have the same path then you can indeed have no limits of your servitude to someone you trust has your best interest at heart.. Overall I wonder why so many care about what others limits are and not more about themselves and what part of BDSM they are into. I say if it works for them and they are happy just let them label themselves any way they want to without judging these people so harshly. If you have not met and don't know someone's relationship in depth you don't know them well enough to make assumptions about their mental health. Just because they don't want to hold anything back from a Master does not mean they are crazy in my book. I'm getting dissapointed in all those that lump people into a no limit group as crazy, confused, or sick. This thread shows a judgemental group of people saying we accept alternate thoughts on how to live only if they fit into my box. I have news for you. All people who don't fit into our own boxes have just as much right to live as they see fit just like you do. Attacking them does not make you look educated, but rather immature & closed minded in my book. Sincerely, Suzanne

thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:31:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I agree, the relationship littlesarbonn just described was not truly no-limits. It was she-never-went-beyond-my-limits, which, as I've been urging, is not at all the same thing. Well, that's exactly my point there. Someone OUTSIDE of the relationship feels the need to define someone else's relationship to fulfill their own ego in some way. THAT was my point, not that I was actually in a no-limit relationship. It really was no surprise that people would then turn around and do exactly that. On reflection, I've discovered this has only really EVER became a problem with the advent of the Internet. You never had these kinds of condemnations (oh they'll say it's not that, but it is) before the usage of the Internet where everyone is an expert but you. Did people even apply such ideas to their relationships offline? I mean, online I see "no limits" "real" and "true" all the time but I've never met someone in meatlife who introduced him/herself and their relationship or person using these terms. I've talked to hundreds of people in meatlife at munches, workshops, parties, conventions, lectures, etc, and none of them have used these words. What is the reason for even using terms like these?

Lordandmaster -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:36:04 AM)
Maybe the people who live THIS kind of life tend to avoid the meatlife circuit, thetammyjo. Well, there's no "maybe" about it, but anyway... So far all I've really seen on this thread is "It's not what I would do, so it must be just a fantasy" or else "I've never seen it, so it can't exist." Sad, sad, sad. SSC never looked so bad.

dorsaisgirl1 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:40:09 AM)
ok thats it i was talking about someone who was not in a relationship advertiseing themselves as no limits witch i said was dangerus to do if you can't see a danger in that im sorry .as for weather there are people who live as no limmits or not well that depends on what they see as no limits people have limits some a physical , some are mental, some are emotional. saying i will do what ever my master says asuming you have one that you trust i have never said was wrong.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:49:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster So far all I've really seen on this thread is "It's not what I would do, so it must be just a fantasy" or else "I've never seen it, so it can't exist." Sad, sad, sad. SSC never looked so bad. I haven't said or implied that at all. I think it really has nothing to do with M/s. If a person is willing to do something, they are willing to do it. For some people, they are willing to do Y IF circumstance X occurs. But that's a limit on Y- certain circumstances must be in place for Y to occur.

yourMissTress -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 10:49:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Maybe the people who live THIS kind of life tend to avoid the meatlife circuit, thetammyjo. Well, there's no "maybe" about it, but anyway... So far all I've really seen on this thread is "It's not what I would do, so it must be just a fantasy" or else "I've never seen it, so it can't exist." Sad, sad, sad. SSC never looked so bad. I'm in complete agreement with you LaM. Adding that it saddens me to see the very people who are on the out skirts of acceptance be so critical and judgemental of others. How can we ask for tolerance when we cannot as a community accept and tolerate ourselves? I don't mean to sound like the "Kumbayah" song leader but FFS people get a grip! It does appear to me as I continue to read these boards that life experience is the greatest teacher, and insecurity creates false bravado. 'nough said.

thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 11:02:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dorsaisgirl1 ok thats it i was talking about someone who was not in a relationship advertiseing themselves as no limits witch i said was dangerus to do if you can't see a danger in that im sorry .as for weather there are people who live as no limmits or not well that depends on what they see as no limits people have limits some a physical , some are mental, some are emotional. saying i will do what ever my master says asuming you have one that you trust i have never said was wrong. I wouldn't necessarily say its dangerous to say in one's profile you are looking for "no limits" but I'd say it reflects a fantasy or an ideal that person has for what they want. Its skipping over what others in this thread have described as a development in a relationship and just expecting it to be. It also seems to me that most of those who have tried to define "no limits" mean particular types of limits whereas another person may include less or more things on that list. For others the definition is dependant on the given relationship -- with this owner I have "no limits" but in another relationship or a future one I might. Sometimes it seems situational -- as long as things go like this, then I have "no limits". At other times it seems what is meant is that over time limits are faded by trust, experience or training. Perhaps a much better reply on my part to Talmar would have been to say "its short-hand for something they want; ask them what they mean individually".

dorsaisgirl1 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 11:11:29 AM)
in my first post i said i'm sorry in advance for who ever i may piss off . and what i have said has been turned into some kind of insult to people who claim to have no limits. how 2 or more people choice to live there lives is up to them but that is not what the post was about . it was about limits and i just found anouther one people who ask a question and then ostrasize a person for answering

BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 11:32:06 AM)
Using fast reply here - I think what people are trying to do is to take the term 'no limits' outside of a BDSM context to prove that it doesn't exist. Well, take consent out and all you've got left is abuse. Now think about how you'd feel if someone said you were continually abusing your partner because they've taken consent out of BDSM and applied a vanilla mindset to it. You can't consent to abuse! How often have we all heard 'that' one? Would you be offended? This is no different. When you try to apply a vanilla meaning to a BDSM lifestyle, it, generally, doesn't hold hands WWIITWD. So, is there anyone here who wants to apply vanilla concepts and terms to their lifestyle? If you are going to say there is no such thing as 'no limit's'.. then you are, in effect, saying there is no such thing as consent.. because what's the difference here? You want to embrace vanilla terminology when it's convenient or all the time? Uh huh. Are we all abusers and/or getting abused? If a someone brand spanking new lists themselves as 'no limits' that's wrong.. but someone who lists themselves as consenting is ok? S'all good with me if anyone wants to view themselves as vanilla, take on vanilla meanings or what have you. Just t'aint my thing. Apply the term 'no limits' to a BDSM context.. and tell me.. is that crazy, wrong, possible, impossible? Just something to think about. ;) Celeste

dorsaisgirl1 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 12:11:28 PM)
ok you have no limits you can leap buildings in a singel bound and lift 500 lbs you can run 50 miles an hour you are not oposed to ***, blood, *, *** or snuff ok thes are kind of extreem but to each his own even if these are not limits of yours i bet that i can find something that is maybe vanilla is a limit for you . now maybe you will say well thoughs things are illeagal to that i realy have to laugh becouse there are places where oral sex is illeagel. my personal limits match my daddys can i say i have no limits NO WHY BECOUSE ITS NOT TRUE. ok so your supper slave and you want the world to know it to you want everyone to say ohh what a devoted slave. she would do ANYTHING.the thing is one day someone may just call you on it and then is a bad time to figure out hell i'm human and have some limits as to what i can and will do . Mode Note: edited to keep the post within the TOS guidelines.~Dozen

dorsaisgirl1 -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 12:24:13 PM)
and so that you know you dont have to agree with me i'm not so anal that i can't handel someone disagreeing with me but make me look like an ass just becouse of my opinion and its on

BitaTruble -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 12:28:01 PM)
doraisagirl, I used fast reply.. and put down that I used it. Please take that into consideration before you go off attacking people on a personal level. Celeste edited to add:: BTW, since you are fairly new, perhaps you don't know what 'fast reply' does.. it's simply to inform all the forum readers that the post is intended as a general post and is NOT in reply to a specific poster.

thetammyjo -> RE: No limit slaves (3/29/2006 12:32:23 PM)
Is there a BDSM meaning for "no limits"? quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble Using fast reply here - I think what people are trying to do is to take the term 'no limits' outside of a BDSM context to prove that it doesn't exist. Well, take consent out and all you've got left is abuse. Now think about how you'd feel if someone said you were continually abusing your partner because they've taken consent out of BDSM and applied a vanilla mindset to it. You can't consent to abuse! How often have we all heard 'that' one? Would you be offended? This is no different. When you try to apply a vanilla meaning to a BDSM lifestyle, it, generally, doesn't hold hands WWIITWD. So, is there anyone here who wants to apply vanilla concepts and terms to their lifestyle? If you are going to say there is no such thing as 'no limit's'.. then you are, in effect, saying there is no such thing as consent.. because what's the difference here? You want to embrace vanilla terminology when it's convenient or all the time? Uh huh. Are we all abusers and/or getting abused? If a someone brand spanking new lists themselves as 'no limits' that's wrong.. but someone who lists themselves as consenting is ok? S'all good with me if anyone wants to view themselves as vanilla, take on vanilla meanings or what have you. Just t'aint my thing. Apply the term 'no limits' to a BDSM context.. and tell me.. is that crazy, wrong, possible, impossible? Just something to think about. ;) Celeste

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