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RE: You went through something traumatic so you must be... - 2/17/2010 3:20:10 AM   
agirl


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But that notwithstanding, do you think telling someone that they're traumatized after an event, can sometimes put them in an, "Ok, I must be" mindframe?


I think it's possible with some people, yes.

Not long ago my youngest son (15yrs) came across a woman my age who'd been raped at knifepoint late at night.  We live in a small rural town in the UK, this type of thing is extremely rare. He called the police, comforted the lady as best he could, checked her over at the direction of the paramedics on the phone. The lady was virtually naked and in a deep state of shock.

None of this is remotely close to anything he's ever had to deal with. He called me to tell me he was going to be late because of what had happened. I asked him if he was alright and did he want me to come. He told me that it wasn't necessary as the police and ambulance had just arrived. He was calm, he was dealing with it and I let him.

He was a bit quiet the next day, we talked about what had happened, he didn't go into much detail but he knew he could, if he wanted to. He didn't NEED to.

When he was interviewed by the police two days later, I had to be present as he is a minor.......I heard every detail of what he saw and what he'd done. Two adult males stopped their cars and drove on when they saw that it was being dealt with...by a 15yr old boy! I most certainly would have been far more *affected* than he was.

The point is, of course it had AN effect on him. He got a stark and real experience of awful things that can happen to people like Mummy. But no-one told him he *should* be traumatized. He was dealing with it in his own way and he was left to do so. It would have been shoddy of me to insist he *feel* things that he didn't, or to suggest he should or might be traumatised.

He showed that he had inner resources, that I couldn't possibly have known he had, and I allowed him to hone them.

(A week later he got a letter of commendation from the Chief Inspector for his *good citizenship*)

agirl





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RE: You went through something traumatic so you must be... - 2/17/2010 3:26:38 AM   
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I watched 911 as it unfolded too. It looked like a Hollywood movie.
There was no one there I cared about-no one I knew. It was surreal. I saw the reactions later on,and thought "Dance puppets,dance."

We let them change our lifestyle. In Israel-when a bombing happens-they fix up the scene,and no one can tell any different a day,a week,a month later.

They are stronger than us. They don't let people fuck with how they live.



Same here. I was in Basic Training in the USAF, and at first thought it was part of training to see how we would react to a real-world attack. Out of the 36 females in my training flight, one other girl and I were the only two not bawling our eyes out. I later saw how the rest of the world reacted and realized the same as you: Sheep.

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RE: You went through something traumatic so you must be... - 2/17/2010 3:27:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: agirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: lazarus1983



But that notwithstanding, do you think telling someone that they're traumatized after an event, can sometimes put them in an, "Ok, I must be" mindframe?


I think it's possible with some people, yes.

Not long ago my youngest son (15yrs) came across a woman my age who'd been raped at knifepoint late at night.  We live in a small rural town in the UK, this type of thing is extremely rare. He called the police, comforted the lady as best he could, checked her over at the direction of the paramedics on the phone. The lady was virtually naked and in a deep state of shock.

None of this is remotely close to anything he's ever had to deal with. He called me to tell me he was going to be late because of what had happened. I asked him if he was alright and did he want me to come. He told me that it wasn't necessary as the police and ambulance had just arrived. He was calm, he was dealing with it and I let him.

He was a bit quiet the next day, we talked about what had happened, he didn't go into much detail but he knew he could, if he wanted to. He didn't NEED to.

When he was interviewed by the police two days later, I had to be present as he is a minor.......I heard every detail of what he saw and what he'd done. Two adult males stopped their cars and drove on when they saw that it was being dealt with...by a 15yr old boy! I most certainly would have been far more *affected* than he was.

The point is, of course it had AN effect on him. He got a stark and real experience of awful things that can happen to people like Mummy. But no-one told him he *should* be traumatized. He was dealing with it in his own way and he was left to do so. It would have been shoddy of me to insist he *feel* things that he didn't, or to suggest he should or might be traumatised.

He showed that he had inner resources, that I couldn't possibly have known he had, and I allowed him to hone them.

(A week later he got a letter of commendation from the Chief Inspector for his *good citizenship*)

agirl






I think this is a wonderful description of what I've been trying to wrap my head around ever since I first read this post. I think there are people who believe the topic sentence, meaning that because there was potential trauma, trauma must exist. Personally, I think there are people who can handle it just fine, and people who can't. I think there are some who fall into the OP's scenario whereby they can be convinced they are traumatized and forever will ride that fence despite evidence to the contrary.

Having said that, I'll shut up because you painted this picture much more eloquently and real than I ever could have. Kudos to your son... and to the mom who raised him.




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RE: You went through something traumatic so you must be... - 2/17/2010 3:53:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

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ORIGINAL: CelticNightmare

I watched 911 as it unfolded too. It looked like a Hollywood movie.
There was no one there I cared about-no one I knew. It was surreal. I saw the reactions later on,and thought "Dance puppets,dance."

We let them change our lifestyle. In Israel-when a bombing happens-they fix up the scene,and no one can tell any different a day,a week,a month later.

They are stronger than us. They don't let people fuck with how they live.



Same here. I was in Basic Training in the USAF, and at first thought it was part of training to see how we would react to a real-world attack. Out of the 36 females in my training flight, one other girl and I were the only two not bawling our eyes out. I later saw how the rest of the world reacted and realized the same as you: Sheep.



Having an emotional response does not make someone a sheep, or a puppet.

And we might keep in mind the Israelis have had a long time to become the way they are, due to living in far different circumstances than we are. People can adapt. Also, we have far more people here, than live in Israel, so you're going to see a much more varied response, including handwringing, as well as determination and strength.


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