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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 6:46:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm familiar with Ray Anderson. I saw The Corporation. I have it. I'm also familiar with green building. Up til now, green building has been a problem because it has been more expensive than conventional building methods. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on, lots of new technology. I don't think that Bambi is the one we need to be worried about, it is ourselves. If we continue to destroy the planet as we've been doing, Mother Nature is just going to evict us.

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 8:22:21 PM   
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What kind of country doesn't build up and take care of their own people FIRST?


Successful countries.
Countries that understand it's not either/or.
Countries that understand economics.
Countries that recognize the difference between blind pride and common sense.
Countries that understand history.

Right now I fail to see any successful country on this globe. Set us up with some examples please. Also, define your metric of success.
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And countries unwilling to repeat the isolationist downturns of past empires.


  1. isolationism seeks to avoid all contact with the rest of the world and is quite restrictive on trade
  2. non-intervention seeks to promote friendship with all as a result military and financial neutrality
from wikipedia
Noted, MusicMystery. This would prove some point for you but it is obvious we are not seeing the same divided country of the good United States of America.
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Trouble is, you repeat this song without ever responding to or considering the facts against your pet position.

and how wonderful repetitious songs are. We all sing songs and we all spout off propaganda. We are propagators of our own personal ideologies and belief systems (BS).
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That's no more solid ground than the conspiracy theorists.

Okay. Whose pockets are you digging deep into? :3
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Here's where the huffy mischaracterization and self-righteous condemnation start...I know, I've seen the act before.

But it still ignores reality.

There are bits of reality we are not aware of? Human nature is that of ignorance. Every one of us has t-shirts and a hat (the first batch we misspelled 'ignorance' so the t-shirts are a little expensive now). Not to mention the fact that if she is right, then you are wrong. If she is wrong, then you are right. Both parties wish to be right. In this sense we are all self-righteous.

WHAT IS BEING SAID MUST ABSOLUTELY BE TRUE BECAUSE I PERCIEVE IT AND THERE ARE NO OTHER PERCEPTIONS BUT MY OWN.
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Emotion and reason. Both useful. Not interchangeable tools.

Enjoy.


Noted as well. I agree with you on some levels.
What I do not agree with is seeing "OH NO. YOU ARE WRONG." (not exactly what you have said....i'm upset with the lack of information supporting your belief.)
why, because of what you have witnessed with your eyes? What kind of life do you live and do you want to trade?

Ah. In the scheme of things what we say or do not say does not matter much. Those that know will band. Those that band will overcome resistance and upheavals. I cannot walk around in the uncomfortable facade of dead skin painted to look alive.

July 4, 1776
It due again.

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 8:51:23 PM   
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Take heart, Congress raised the minimum wage not too long ago.

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 9:19:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

I'm familiar with Ray Anderson. I saw The Corporation. I have it. I'm also familiar with green building. Up til now, green building has been a problem because it has been more expensive than conventional building methods. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on, lots of new technology. I don't think that Bambi is the one we need to be worried about, it is ourselves. If we continue to destroy the planet as we've been doing, Mother Nature is just going to evict us.


I would love to hear more about the "green building" from you and Rex!
The whole concept of green technology is fascinating, and the wave of the future.
I have noticed that many "green" projects tend to be more expensive, but maybe if
"green" projects were mass produced the prices could come down?

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 9:21:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		How can we be a capitalistic nation and the rail against outsourcing? It was bound to and had to happen.

Corporations and many businesses located here in the States will tend to place their flags in the states that throw them the highest incentives.

Since we do live in a global economy what is wrong with having your labor force abroad if it can save you money? Again it had to happen. As long as the increased cost of shipping, the additional headaches of communication and cultural differences and payroll is less than a work force employed in the states don't you owe it to your shareholders to make the move?

We are still isolationists. Take this site, for example. People from all over the world not only speak their native language but English as well. We look at the task of learning another language to be rather a nuisance. We have successfully priced ourselves out of being a force in manufacturing. Greed, a lack of pride in our work and the attitude that we are simply better are no longer the stuff that cuts the mustard.

Our public education system is a disgrace. We are no longer the leader in creating the best and the brightest.

We must improve the way we do business or accept the inevitable conclusion that our economy will suffer while those around us begin to rise. Which is probably inevitable no matter what course we take.

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 9:25:24 PM   
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Have you seen this series?

http://www.design-e2.com/

I really loved it, blew my mind, all the different green stuff going on. Beijing, Europe, putting gardens on roof tops in the projects in New York. Crazy wild amazing stuff. I loved it!

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 9:28:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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What kind of country doesn't build up and take care of their own people FIRST?

Successful countries.
Countries that understand it's not either/or.
Countries that understand economics.
Countries that recognize the difference between blind pride and common sense.
Countries that understand history.

And countries unwilling to repeat the isolationist downturns of past empires.


Trouble is, you repeat this song without ever responding to or considering the facts against your pet position.
That's no more solid ground than the conspiracy theorists.

Here's where the huffy mischaracterization and self-righteous condemnation start...I know, I've seen the act before.

But it still ignores reality.

Emotion and reason. Both useful. Not interchangeable tools.

Enjoy.


I think I always try to make the point that I am not against ALL FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS.
I realize we live in a global economy.

I am against the extensive and unbridled practice of outsourcing millions of jobs from our country.
To think we can live in the world without exporting and importing goods and services is crazy.
It is hard to make points around here, because people take 1 thing you say and take it to the limit.
There is actually a middle ground here, and who knows one day we might find it.

Again, importing and exporting goods and services FAIRLY, in a global economy-----GOOD!
Closing plants, people losing millions of jobs because these plants and jobs are being outsourced to other countries, while millions of people here can't find employment-----BAD!

Do you see any difference between fair free trade agreements and  exporting and importing practices, and outsourcing a country down the fucking river, with millions unemployed or underemployed? 

**No worries MM, they are going to hire people for temporary census jobs, and then we can buy more shit from China, and then there will be openings in the Strip Malls!

ENJOY!

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 9:34:35 PM   
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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 9:58:20 PM   
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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/12/2010 10:10:32 PM   
MzMia


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Tired. Off to watch Black Tail Gunners VIII-Escape from the Blackhole. It's riveting. Chaffone is really on her A-game in this one.


Well, you need to get on your A-game and get some live real-time action!
Was that video made in the USA?

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/13/2010 4:35:11 AM   
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I would love to hear more about the "green building" from you and Rex!
The whole concept of green technology is fascinating, and the wave of the future.
I have noticed that many "green" projects tend to be more expensive, but maybe if
"green" projects were mass produced the prices could come down?


It's not really my field. I would do more like locating new areas for construction or pinpointing areas that could viably be converted to green. However, they're doing all kinds of cool stuff. There was one thing I ran across, which I think is an excellent alternative to traditional farming, vertical farming.

Advantages of Vertical Farming

Year-round crop production; 1 indoor acre is equivalent to 4-6 outdoor acres or more, depending upon the crop (e.g., strawberries: 1 indoor acre = 30 outdoor acres)

No weather-related crop failures due to droughts, floods, pests

All VF food is grown organically: no herbicides, pesticides, or fertilizers

VF virtually eliminates agricultural runoff by recycling black water

VF returns farmland to nature, restoring ecosystem functions and services

VF greatly reduces the incidence of many infectious diseases that are acquired at the agricultural interface

VF converts black and gray water into potable water by collecting the water of evapotranspiration

VF adds energy back to the grid via methane generation from composting non-edible parts of plants and animals

VF dramatically reduces fossil fuel use (no tractors, plows, shipping.)

VF converts abandoned urban properties into food production centers

VF creates sustainable environments for urban centers

VF creates new employment opportunities

We cannot go to the moon, Mars, or beyond without first learning to farm indoors on earth

VF may prove to be useful for integrating into refugee camps

VF offers the promise of measurable economic improvement for tropical and subtropical LDCs (Least Developed Countries). If this should prove to be the case, then VF may be a catalyst in helping to reduce or even reverse the population growth of LDCs as they adopt urban agriculture as a strategy for sustainable food production.

VF could reduce the incidence of armed conflict over natural resources, such as water
and land for agriculture

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/13/2010 5:53:22 AM   
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An aeroponic water and nutrient delivery system would not only saves on water but also disallows the spread of disease (that is one of the disadvantages of hydroponic systems).

Mylar on the side opposite of the sun (reflecting the sun back onto the plants) allows for quick growth.

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If we were to speak of good old terra (for some plants are not suited for aeroponic systems) then consider the following:

While composting is good, vermipost is king. Very rich soil indeed. Animal parts are not healthy for either due to the nature of the bacteria that develop from the decomposition of the mammalian tissue.

To get around this one can simply take a solar concentrator and aim it inside of a clear resilient container with the animal parts (and whatever else) to begin an anaerobic combustion.

It helps if the container in question has a hole to allow the gasses to escape and if it was submerged in water. The heat exchange from the solar concentrator, container, and the water can also be used to generate electricity.

The anaerobic combustion gives you sequestered carbon, which is safe for composting and vermiposting.

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I am going to read that link now. :D

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/13/2010 6:38:12 AM   
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It's called slave labor.


Just wanted to come back here because I finally remembered a very relevant video regarding this topic.

Main reason for outsourcing, slave labor. Businesses tried to pass legislation in order to relax bans on imported goods produced using child labor, convict labor and forced labor. Second half of Slave Defenders.

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/13/2010 11:57:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage
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I would love to hear more about the "green building" from you and Rex!
The whole concept of green technology is fascinating, and the wave of the future.
I have noticed that many "green" projects tend to be more expensive, but maybe if
"green" projects were mass produced the prices could come down?


It's not really my field. I would do more like locating new areas for construction or pinpointing areas that could viably be converted to green. However, they're doing all kinds of cool stuff. There was one thing I ran across, which I think is an excellent alternative to traditional farming, vertical farming.

Advantages of Vertical Farming
Year-round crop production; 1 indoor acre is equivalent to 4-6 outdoor acres or more, depending upon the crop (e.g., strawberries: 1 indoor acre = 30 outdoor acres)
WOW!
No weather-related crop failures due to droughts, floods, pests
WOW!
All VF food is grown organically: no herbicides, pesticides, or fertilizers
Fucking A!
VF virtually eliminates agricultural runoff by recycling black water

VF returns farmland to nature, restoring ecosystem functions and services
WOW!
VF greatly reduces the incidence of many infectious diseases that are acquired at the agricultural interface
WOW! and Fucking A!
VF converts black and gray water into potable water by collecting the water of evapotranspiration

VF adds energy back to the grid via methane generation from composting non-edible parts of plants and animals

VF dramatically reduces fossil fuel use (no tractors, plows, shipping.)
WOW!
VF converts abandoned urban properties into food production centers
FUCKING A!
VF creates sustainable environments for urban centers

VF creates new employment opportunities
WOW! Jobs what are those?
We cannot go to the moon, Mars, or beyond without first learning to farm indoors on earth

VF may prove to be useful for integrating into refugee camps

VF offers the promise of measurable economic improvement for tropical and subtropical LDCs (Least Developed Countries). If this should prove to be the case, then VF may be a catalyst in helping to reduce or even reverse the population growth of LDCs as they adopt urban agriculture as a strategy for sustainable food production.
WOW again!
VF could reduce the incidence of armed conflict over natural resources, such as water
and land for agriculture   WOW

Thank you for sharing DS, I am more than impressed.
This goes to show, you can actually learn a lot around here, if you filter the crap out.
I love everything associated with Vertical Farming, this should be the new wave of farming in America.
Imagine the possibilities!
Savage? you are a hoot.

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/13/2010 12:07:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

It's called slave labor.


Just wanted to come back here because I finally remembered a very relevant video regarding this topic.

Main reason for outsourcing, slave labor. Businesses tried to pass legislation in order to relax bans on imported goods produced using child labor, convict labor and forced labor. Second half of Slave Defenders.


Thank you for sharing the video! I love it.
Most people are aware of the conditions that many of the factory workers must endure
in a lot of the companies.
Slave labor! no, no, American corporations would never do that!
Please! Please! I beg of you, we just don't really want to talk about that!

 Savage? check this link out from the Workers Independent News.

New York business man sides with labor on Delphi's outsourcing of jobs to China - 10/14/05 | Workers Independent News

Bring Back American Factory Jobs

I like your new picture!  lol
Promise not to ever leave!


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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/13/2010 1:49:01 PM   
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Thank you for sharing the video! I love it.
Most people are aware of the conditions that many of the factory workers must endure
in a lot of the companies.
Slave labor! no, no, American corporations would never do that!
Please! Please! I beg of you, we just don't really want to talk about that!

Savage? check this link out from the Workers Independent News.

New York business man sides with labor on Delphi's outsourcing of jobs to China - 10/14/05 | Workers Independent News

Bring Back American Factory Jobs

I like your new picture! lol
Promise not to ever leave!


Well, aren't you a sweetie! Thank you! I couldn't get that first link to work, which is probably more about my internet service and my computer than the actual link, itself. However, I did look at the second one. I've read about the prison slave problem before. I know there were many more stories on there, but that is the one that caught my attention the most. I find it deeply disturbing that the US has 25% of the entire world's prison population. We practically have a Laissez-Faire capitalist system over here. That certainly seems to be what major corporations are striving for.

Have you seen The Corporation? I think this has to be one of the most important films that has ever been made. This and The Future of Food.


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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/14/2010 11:23:11 AM   
MzMia


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

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Thank you for sharing the video! I love it.
Most people are aware of the conditions that many of the factory workers must endure
in a lot of the companies.
Slave labor! no, no, American corporations would never do that!
Please! Please! I beg of you, we just don't really want to talk about that!

Savage? check this link out from the Workers Independent News.

New York business man sides with labor on Delphi's outsourcing of jobs to China - 10/14/05 | Workers Independent News

Bring Back American Factory Jobs

I like your new picture! lol
Promise not to ever leave!


Well, aren't you a sweetie! Thank you! I couldn't get that first link to work, which is probably more about my internet service and my computer than the actual link, itself. However, I did look at the second one. I've read about the prison slave problem before. I know there were many more stories on there, but that is the one that caught my attention the most. I find it deeply disturbing that the US has 25% of the entire world's prison population. We practically have a Laissez-Faire capitalist system over here. That certainly seems to be what major corporations are striving for.

Have you seen The Corporation? I think this has to be one of the most important films that has ever been made. This and The Future of Food.


Thank you so much for sharing Darling.

I just watched The Corporation and The Future of Food.
Those have to be two of the most powerful video's around.
I have saved them to my favorite places and will be sharing and sending
the links to those who would enjoy them.
Powerful videos' from a powerful Darling on V-Day!
Knowledge is power, Thank you for sharing.

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/14/2010 11:29:24 AM   
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Red China is raising interest rates on the United States?
Stock market going down?

We need to chat to China about our wonderful "free trade" agreements!
They can't raise interest rates on us right now!
Has it really come to this?
 
Forget the Fed; watch China instead - Feb. 12, 2010


Raise interest rates on us? Huh?

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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/14/2010 11:30:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Red China is raising interest rates on the United States?
Stock market going down?

We need to chat to China about our wonderful "free trade" agreements!
They can't raise interest rates on us right now!
Has it really come to this?
 
Forget the Fed; watch China instead - Feb. 12, 2010


Raise interest rates on us? Huh?


From what I have heard, we need to be looking real hard at Red China.


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RE: Mz Mia/Norma Sherry and Outsourcing Of America - 2/14/2010 11:54:07 AM   
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Thank you so much for sharing Darling.

I just watched The Corporation and The Future of Food.
Those have to be two of the most powerful video's around.
I have saved them to my favorite places and will be sharing and sending
the links to those who would enjoy them.
Powerful videos' from a powerful Darling on V-Day!
Knowledge is power, Thank you for sharing.


It's my pleasure. They certainly are powerful videos and they also have websites.

The Corporation
The Future of Food

Both websites give information on what you can do to get involved.

Also found the Center for Food Safety just now. For news on the battle against Monsanto.

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