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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 1:48:41 PM   
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The thing is, that in the US, were Franken is a senator, people are being discriminated against for being gay, in some states sodomy being illegal, not punishable by death mind you, but illegal. Doesn't anyone else see the irony?


I see the irony, but I also know that Franken has spoken out against these laws too...


And it is a start. But it is 2010 and this is the Western world. Come on people, wake up!!

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Don't worry. Since people have the ability to "choose" their orientation the people of Uganda will just have to "straighten out" for a while. In time this will pass and they can go back to their cock loving ways.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 1:50:50 PM   
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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:02:13 PM   
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Franken sponsors bill condemning Uganda’s anti-homosexuality act

Maybe Americans should stop persecuting and discriminating against gays in their own country? It is hypocritical coming from the US, no?

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:30:12 PM   
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I'm against it.
The U.S. Senate can't and shouldn't be trying to pass any "laws" for foreign countries.
Like it or not that's how they do things in Uganda. And as always I'm totally against any foreign aid.
The U.S. Senate's obligation is to the American People, when they mess about in things like this they are taking away from our time and, we're not paying them to be involved in things like this.
As I've said before I'm a big believer in *job descriptions* for govt. employees especially at the higher levels where there is little direction or guidance.
I guess there's no more homeless people in this country and all our problems are solved so that the senate can go traipsing off to do things like this.



If the USof A was based on an indigenous tribe originating from that land this argument might be valid but seeing as we, including Canada use the rest of the world for all sorts of things to close the doors when it comes to helping out is not okay.

I am not saying go in and bully countries, I am saying help. In this case help gay men from being killed, tortured and imprisoned forever. This civilization was built on the backs of the whole world really. We are all connected. Those that have not deserve to have. Those that have can and should help, especially when so much was pretty much taken in the first place.

The USA is not some ethnocentric world of it's own, it is living and thriving in the same time period as all of us on this planet. Any help is good help. Helping for the good of the land and giving everyone an equal chance is the American dream which was being dreamt long, long, long before the USofA was a reality. The American dream is one word for it. Many people in many countries share the dream no matter what you call it.



Heartcream, it's not what the members of the U.S. Senate are paid to do.
There's all kinds of gnarley stuff going on in foreign countries, we (The U.S.) can't simply go into a foreign country and start telling them what to do.
What if we did that to you guys up in Canada? There'd be an Uproar! Would you like that?
I for one am tired of interfereance in foreign countries after the Bush years! And I'm certainly not alone on that.
It's commical really, Sen. Franken is against "Imperialism" but not when it involves something like this? And how is this in any way "America's business?"
Here we go again, "the world's policeman?" No thankyou!
That's how we got involved in Vietnam too. What's Senator Franken want to do, ressurect the Abraham Lincoln Brigade?
We have a hard enough time getting our govt to do what they're *supposed* to be doing. They shouldn't be getting us involved in the internal affairs of foreign countries.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:32:55 PM   
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The thing is, that in the US, were Franken is a senator, people are being discriminated against for being gay, in some states sodomy being illegal, not punishable by death mind you, but illegal. Doesn't anyone else see the irony?


I see the irony, but I also know that Franken has spoken out against these laws too...


And it is a start. But it is 2010 and this is the Western world. Come on people, wake up!!

- LA



http://www.collarchat.com/m_3064352/mpage_1/tm.htm

Don't worry. Since people have the ability to "choose" their orientation the people of Uganda will just have to "straighten out" for a while. In time this will pass and they can go back to their cock loving ways.


My OP is that thread about the Western World where people have a choice. Don't try to turn my words on me.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:39:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Popeye, I dont know about all the government stuff I fall asleep trying to understand. If someone wants to help men in Uganda to not be killed because some they like men sexually I am all for it, especially when it makes a difference and I dont care what they are getting paid to do.

If on the other hand the government goes in to throw up smoke screens, manipulate, steal and other assorted heinous acts, no, please get out. Dont force feed religion or take people because you can.

Help is good.

domi the third link I posted was about the Evangelicals going into Uganda to "cure" the gay man.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:42:21 PM   
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Franken sponsors bill condemning Uganda’s anti-homosexuality act

Maybe Americans should stop persecuting and discriminating against gays in their own country? It is hypocritical coming from the US, no?

- LA



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I'm Canadian. The late great Trudeau took care of all our problems like that 40 years ago with his statement  "there's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation".

The only odd thing about the Canadian law is that it clearly states that anal sex by consenting parties above the age of 18 is permitted, provided no more than two people are present. So much for gay orgies. And it is 2 years older than the age of conscent which is now 16 (it was 14 in certain circumstances until 2008) with exceptions for age ranges between 12 and 16.

Gay marriage is legal here nationwide since 2005.

Now that the rest of the world is having a hard time evolving doesn't surprise me. But the US? Come on... Fix this and show by examples to other nations what treating gays properly is all about.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:45:37 PM   
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Popeye, I dont know about all the government stuff I fall asleep trying to understand. If someone wants to help men in Uganda to not be killed because some they like men sexually I am all for it, especially when it makes a difference and I dont care what they are getting paid to do.

If on the other hand the government goes in to throw up smoke screens, manipulate, steal and other assorted heinous acts, no, please get out. Dont force feed religion or take people because you can.

Help is good.

Help is good. What you have to realise is that Franken's bill will not change anything in Uganda. It is a political platform which more than likely has good, honest intents behind it, but a platform nonetheless.

When Americans go around the world telling others how they should be treating their citizens, they aren't having the effect that most inside the US think they are having. I guess that point has not hit home enough times yet.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:46:45 PM   
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Popeye, I dont know about all the government stuff I fall asleep trying to understand. If someone wants to help men in Uganda to not be killed because some they like men sexually I am all for it, especially when it makes a difference and I dont care what they are getting paid to do.

If on the other hand the government goes in to throw up smoke screens, manipulate, steal and other assorted heinous acts, no, please get out. Dont force feed religion or take people because you can.

Help is good.

domi the third link I posted was about the Evangelicals going into Uganda to "cure" the gay man.


Heartcream, fine, then you guys up in Canada do it.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:51:03 PM   
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Popeye, I dont know about all the government stuff I fall asleep trying to understand. If someone wants to help men in Uganda to not be killed because some they like men sexually I am all for it, especially when it makes a difference and I dont care what they are getting paid to do.

If on the other hand the government goes in to throw up smoke screens, manipulate, steal and other assorted heinous acts, no, please get out. Dont force feed religion or take people because you can.

Help is good.

domi the third link I posted was about the Evangelicals going into Uganda to "cure" the gay man.


Heartcream, fine, then you guys up in Canada do it.


The point for me is , we would alllll do it. Anything we can do to alleviate the bs and pain of another that is good. I am sure there are better ways than others and I am no expert but any well intentioned loving action in that direction is fine with me.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:55:31 PM   
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Heartcream, fine, then you guys up in Canada do it.


We guys in Canada do peace keeping and try to lead by example. That said, we are far from a perfect nation.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:56:14 PM   
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I for one am tired of interfereance in foreign countries after the Bush years! And I'm certainly not alone on that.
It's commical really, Sen. Franken is against "Imperialism" but not when it involves something like this? And how is this in any way "America's business?"


I would agree with you on this, except America was involved in this Ugandan bill.

American evangelicals, and American politicians such as C Street Christians like Senator James Inhoff were involved in this whole mess and had a role in promoting it.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 2:58:13 PM   
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Heartcream, fine, then you guys up in Canada do it.


We guys in Canada do peace keeping and try to lead by example. That said, we are far from a perfect nation.

- LA



LadyA, yeah, you guys do a good job.
How about Uganda's *neighbors* getting involved in this instead of countries 8,000 miles away?

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 3:01:34 PM   
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I for one am tired of interfereance in foreign countries after the Bush years! And I'm certainly not alone on that.
It's commical really, Sen. Franken is against "Imperialism" but not when it involves something like this? And how is this in any way "America's business?"


I would agree with you on this, except America was involved in this Ugandan bill.

American evangelicals, and American politicians such as C Street Christians like Senator James Inhoff were involved in this whole mess and had a role in promoting it.


Rex, I would assume that they did it on their own. Let them clean up the mess.
If I make a mess do you think for one minute that the U.S. govt. is going to clean up after me?

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 3:06:35 PM   
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Heartcream, fine, then you guys up in Canada do it.


We guys in Canada do peace keeping and try to lead by example. That said, we are far from a perfect nation.

- LA



LadyA, yeah, you guys do a good job.
How about Uganda's *neighbors* getting involved in this instead of countries 8,000 miles away?


I'm a little divided on this. The thing is I hate to hear about injustice. But going in to someone's country and saying "you are doing it all wrong" is not the answer. There has to be another way and I'm not an expert in this field, but there really has to be another way.

Back when there was the Genocide in Sri Lanka, there was a 6 week night and day chanting protest in Montreal in front of the American Embassy. They wanted the Americans to help. The problem is, everyone writes to the President of the United States for help with their issues as the US still is a super power, but when you get involved, it often only makes things worse.

And while I believe that the average American citizen is good hearted and doesn't like injustice either, letting the governement act as the world police opens your nation up to all sorts of attacks, which in turn ends up being counter attacks and it never ends.

I really wish there was an easy solution to all this. There isn't. Injustice has always existed and it always will. If we want to evolve as a society, we are going to have to get out of this vicious circle and move on to finding other solutions.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 3:29:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uganda's neighbours I would suspect are equally afflicted by old fashioned Christian and Islamic attitudes when it comes to the whole LGBT spectrum - the same forces at work via the Church Of England in limiting progress here.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 3:30:12 PM   
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The thing is, that in the US, were Franken is a senator, people are being discriminated against for being gay, in some states sodomy being illegal, not punishable by death mind you, but illegal. Doesn't anyone else see the irony?


I see the irony, but I also know that Franken has spoken out against these laws too...


And it is a start. But it is 2010 and this is the Western world. Come on people, wake up!!

- LA



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Don't worry. Since people have the ability to "choose" their orientation the people of Uganda will just have to "straighten out" for a while. In time this will pass and they can go back to their cock loving ways.


My OP is that thread about the Western World where people have a choice. Don't try to turn my words on me.

- LA



Turn your words on you? You said people have a choice. So what is the problem? All the gays in Uganda have to do is decide to be straight for a while and that will solve all of their problems, right?

Or is it only "Western" folks that have the ability to choose their sexual identity and everyone else "is born" that way.

I am not twisting your words. You seem incapable to explain or defend your thoughts.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/13/2010 5:38:19 PM   
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LadyA, yeah, you guys do a good job.
How about Uganda's *neighbors* getting involved in this instead of countries 8,000 miles away?


Because they need it, because we can. Generally speaking this is a farrrrrr fitter continent in terms of being able to help a body.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/14/2010 1:22:03 AM   
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bi-partisan bullshit because he thinks we're stupid and he can get away with.

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RE: Sucks to be Gay in Uganda - 2/14/2010 6:22:36 AM   
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Turn your words on you? You said people have a choice. So what is the problem? All the gays in Uganda have to do is decide to be straight for a while and that will solve all of their problems, right?

Or is it only "Western" folks that have the ability to choose their sexual identity and everyone else "is born" that way.

I am not twisting your words. You seem incapable to explain or defend your thoughts.


That isn't what I said and the majority of the people on the discussion thread got what I was saying. If you can't figure it out, ask questions nicely and I'll answer. If you simply want to flame me, then don't be surprised if I refuse to be engaged.

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