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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:09:52 AM   
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WTC 1 & 2 collapsed due to fire weakening the structure until a single floor pancaked down on the one under. The dynamic stress from that was far beyond what the design was built to handle and it then proceeded to pancake over and over one floor at a time all the way down.

This implies that one such tower could be brought down by simply causing the demolition of one floor? Perhaps even by blowing up only one girder of one floor?



One floor? In some structures, definitely. No question about it.

One girder? Improbable, but theoretically not impossible.


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:11:43 AM   
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:16:41 AM   
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sure if you told me that a "PIECE" of an airplane hit your house.

So you wanna take us on a trip through retardville with this?


By making the decision to enter into a discussion with you, I am by definition consenting to take a trip through retardville.



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They claim a fucking airplane went in the pentagon so produce enough metal and parts to the approximate weight of a plane or STFU.


Here you go weaseling away from  your own argument again. You said there were no plane parts at the crash site, I showed you pictures of plane parts at the crash site, and now you say that's not good enough unless i weigh the plane parts. Arguing with you is like arguing with a child. Except with the child, you can at least assume that someday they'll grow up and develop a functional intellect.



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Explain why no one who came out that hole seen any plane parts either inside or outside the pentagon yet they somehow materialized.

If you cannot produce viable responses you are the weakest link GOOD BYE!


No one? Got a link, or was that in one of those e-mails from anonymous construction workers?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:26:45 AM   
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:28:30 AM   
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One floor? In some structures, definitely. No question about it.

Please tell that to DomKen. How thick is you foot thick bundle of wires now, DomKen? (In my opinion no detonation wires were used at all and it was done fully automatic, radiographically and with a computer. The bigger crime actually was not the demolition of the towers, but in not making this superior technology publicly available to the world.)

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One girder? Improbable, but theoretically not impossible.

Okay. How about putting one drop of ammonia on a girder? (I am just pulling your leg. I want to identify the final straw that broke the strong camel's back. )

What I seriously do am interested in, is in how the concrete floors were pulverized. That must have taken some energy. Perhaps someone already has supplied an explanation for that?

Also, it has been argued that both towers collapsed at free fall velocity, precluding the pancake-model. Has this argument ever been successfully opposed?


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:31:21 AM   
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genocide is in the dictionary you know and it is not holocaust, at least it wasnt until 1945.

its not my linguistic abilities in question here its yours.

if you can show how the word holocaust can be linguistically the same as genocide be my guest.


I asked you for your definition of genocide and how you relate/understand it.  I didn't ask for holocaust definitions.
I am not questioning the linguistic ability of anyone.

the.dark.


gens is a new work only 150 years old that means tribe or clan etc
cide is also a newer word that means anything from tears, striking and or beating someone to killing them.

holo meaning wholly
caust meaing burnt



so whatever thats what it means to me and that is just taking it back to recent history I did not bother to look up th emeanings of those roots.

anyone in their right mind can see theere is not relationship there what so ever.





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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:44:34 AM   
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:45:47 AM   
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sure if you told me that a "PIECE" of an airplane hit your house.

So you wanna take us on a trip through retardville with this?


By making the decision to enter into a discussion with you, I am by definition consenting to take a trip through retardville.

Yeh if when you are skinned alive and beaten you want to come up with bullshit thats where retardsville is on the map.

You are only gonna look more foolish we the conversation goes on but thats ok with me.

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They claim a fucking airplane went in the pentagon so produce enough metal and parts to the approximate weight of a plane or STFU.


Here you go weaseling away from  your own argument again. You said there were no plane parts at the crash site,

I said that the witnesses said they seen no plane parts in or around the building when they walked out that hole.

Its all in text and a matter of record so you cannot slant it without being fraudulent and fraud takes us to retardsville..

I showed you pictures of plane parts at the crash site,

Great!  It does not change what the first witnesses said.  That they seen NONE.

Not my fault you put all your eggs in the government basket.

How you doing on finding all those "massive" weapons of destructio BTW?

and now you say that's not good enough unless i weigh the plane parts.

Well since I have never seen more than a truck load of parts all toll I have no reason to believe your 19 hijacker conspiracy theory.  See that how it works.  You claim there is a conspiracy you gotta put up the goods or go down in flames.

Yes weighing the scrap certainly lends more credibility to the claim.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a child. Except with the child, you can at least assume that someday they'll grow up and develop a functional intellect.

Well children have a keen way of shooting arrows through your heart dont they? 

Yeh if they trust you, you can bullshit them at least for a while.

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Explain why no one who came out that hole seen any plane parts either inside or outside the pentagon yet they somehow materialized.

If you cannot produce viable responses you are the weakest link GOOD BYE!


No one? Got a link, or was that in one of those e-mails from anonymous construction workers?


Why come out here and make claims against issues that I already linked only a few posts ago?

Maybe should nickname you repeat?





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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:49:23 AM   
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:01:58 AM   
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How has this thread gone on for 10 pages? Those who believe it was a conspiracy will continue to drink that kool-aid, no matter what evidence you show them.




its a good way to find out who is who on the boards and determine the levels they are willing to bullshit themselves with to hold some belief.

pretty much there are those who are informed and well read, those who require authority figures to tell them what to believe, those who are imbedded in the matrix and defend it at all costs, those who will use any manner of fraud and mischaracterization to deceive you, and then finally those who really dont know shit about and do flyby quips and sneers.

I suppose there are also those who are scared to even look at it for fear their beliefs will crash and burn.  They say "its just silly and stupid" amd dismiss it.

As you can see it does not take long to find out who is who because matters of physics and language and things like that are all consistant, unlike arguing what colors the leaves are on the republicans tree compared to what colors are on the democrats trees which is mostly subjective tea time parlor talk.




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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:10:16 AM   
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genocide is in the dictionary you know and it is not holocaust, at least it wasnt until 1945.

its not my linguistic abilities in question here its yours.

if you can show how the word holocaust can be linguistically the same as genocide be my guest.


I asked you for your definition of genocide and how you relate/understand it.  I didn't ask for holocaust definitions.
I am not questioning the linguistic ability of anyone.

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gens is a new work only 150 years old that means tribe or clan etc
cide is also a newer word that means anything from tears, striking and or beating someone to killing them.

holo meaning wholly
caust meaing burnt



so whatever thats what it means to me and that is just taking it back to recent history I did not bother to look up th emeanings of those roots.

anyone in their right mind can see theere is not relationship there what so ever.

I'm just a wordslut...  call it a fetish...

gens is latin  - or genos which is ancient greek... so a little older than 150 years old.
But I digress...

I am not asking for a dictionary definition.  I am asking about your understanding of a word.

I have not during this thread even mentioned the holocaust other than to say I haven't mentioned it.

I am not asking you if you compare the holocaust to genocide and I haven't attempted to myself.  I haven't mentioned the word holocaust.  I don't particularly wish to discuss the word holocaust, so I don't know what your agenda is there.
It's not a 'trick' question.  I'm not about to say  'haha! genocide means holocaust' I am not asking about about the word holocaust at this time, nor am I interested (no offense intended to anyone).

I just asked you your understanding of genocide.
If you don't want to answer then just say you don't or can't.  I just wanted to make sure of where you stood.
 
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:18:58 AM   
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genocide is in the dictionary you know and it is not holocaust, at least it wasnt until 1945.

its not my linguistic abilities in question here its yours.

if you can show how the word holocaust can be linguistically the same as genocide be my guest.


I asked you for your definition of genocide and how you relate/understand it.  I didn't ask for holocaust definitions.
I am not questioning the linguistic ability of anyone.

the.dark.


gens is a new work only 150 years old that means tribe or clan etc
cide is also a newer word that means anything from tears, striking and or beating someone to killing them.

holo meaning wholly
caust meaing burnt



so whatever thats what it means to me and that is just taking it back to recent history I did not bother to look up th emeanings of those roots.

anyone in their right mind can see theere is not relationship there what so ever.

I'm just a wordslut...  call it a fetish...

gens is latin  - or genos which is ancient greek... so a little older than 150 years old.
But I digress...

I am not asking for a dictionary definition.  I am asking about your understanding of a word.

I have not during this thread even mentioned the holocaust other than to say I haven't mentioned it.

I am not asking you if you compare the holocaust to genocide and I haven't attempted to myself.  I haven't mentioned the word holocaust.  I don't particularly wish to discuss the word holocaust, so I don't know what your agenda is there.
It's not a 'trick' question.  I'm not about to say  'haha! genocide means holocaust' I am not asking about about the word holocaust at this time, nor am I interested (no offense intended to anyone).

I just asked you your understanding of genocide.
If you don't want to answer then just say you don't or can't.  I just wanted to make sure of where you stood.
 
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I use latin in briefs but so waht?  Anything can be taken into latin for universal clarity.  That has nothing to do with the age of a word or its origin.

the popular understanding of genocide today is race killer.

So shall we now argue whether its a race or religion?  Which jews are real jews?

If you are not trying to attach the word holocaust to genocide then you did a left turn from the original issue that you posted your apparent refutation against.

So what is your point now that you ahve gone full circle and declared this a nowhere nonargument?






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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:20:49 AM   
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:24:39 AM   
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FR

why are the 911 liars always so incredibly fucking stoopid?

LOL



Quit asking yourself questions.

As for the OP link, yes Lafolley is lying. Maybe it is because he was sacked from the WTC. Maybe he just wants more free publicity.


no hes not

still saying any damn nonsense I see.  

fall for any more fake videos lately?

LOL



Well you would believe anything, so your view of  Lafolley doesnt suprise me.

Fake video ? You just spent the last two weeks trying to convince everyone that the grey smoke was a bomb. Now that you have been proved wrong, the video is suddenly a fake.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 11:17:36 AM   
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WTC 1 & 2 collapsed due to fire weakening the structure until a single floor pancaked down on the one under. The dynamic stress from that was far beyond what the design was built to handle and it then proceeded to pancake over and over one floor at a time all the way down.

This implies that one such tower could be brought down by simply causing the demolition of one floor? Perhaps even by blowing up only one girder of one floor?


That's what happened. Once one floor failed the entire weight of the building was suddenly applied to the floor below etc.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 11:26:21 AM   
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 11:26:37 AM   
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One floor? In some structures, definitely. No question about it.

Please tell that to DomKen. How thick is you foot thick bundle of wires now, DomKen? (In my opinion no detonation wires were used at all and it was done fully automatic, radiographically and with a computer. The bigger crime actually was not the demolition of the towers, but in not making this superior technology publicly available to the world.)

Here's the problem with doing it as a controlled demo. There is no fire to soften the central core. The central core supported the entire structure, the outer walls were not structural. To bring down one floor means cutting the central core. On at least one floor and to make sure it happens it means cutting it on 4 or 5 floors minimum. It would still require hole drilled into structural members and floor joists. It would still require precise timing and a foot thick bundle of wires. Go ask a demolition company.

BTW radiographically? Radiography is the technical term for taking an xray of the inside of something. I think you mean by radio which is impossible. RF propogation inside a metal and concrete structure is problematic at best and for this sort of thing every signal has to be received or else something doesn't go off on time and the building doesn't come straight down.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 11:36:37 AM   
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 12:30:51 PM   
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Here's the problem with doing it as a controlled demo. There is no fire to soften the central core. The central core supported the entire structure, the outer walls were not structural. To bring down one floor means cutting the central core. On at least one floor and to make sure it happens it means cutting it on 4 or 5 floors minimum. It would still require hole drilled into structural members and floor joists. It would still require precise timing and a foot thick bundle of wires. Go ask a demolition company.

Edited to answer this part.
Cannot it be done without any drilling? Just glue some thermate to a structural element?
As for the core columns, I was given to understand that they are similar to the outer columns? If the latter can be cut by thermate, so the former, I would think. Also, before the towers went down there were some large explosions presumably of the core, reported.

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BTW radiographically? Radiography is the technical term for taking an xray of the inside of something. I think you mean by radio which is impossible. RF propogation inside a metal and concrete structure is problematic at best and for this sort of thing every signal has to be received or else something doesn't go off on time and the building doesn't come straight down.

Yes, I mean by radio. Thank you for the correction.

I recall faintly that radio signals were transmitted inside the building between many tens of floors, probably between fire fighters.

I know something about radio, but I am not an expert.

I know that the towers were brought down by explosives. I know that there were no planes. I have identified the person who planned the demolition (don't ask). I trust that DomKen is entirely right about his foot thick bundle of wires and deem that method of demolition for this project impractical.

What does seem practical is having a completely computer controlled demolition triggered by coded radio signals.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 12:40:08 PM   
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I use latin in briefs but so waht?  Anything can be taken into latin for universal clarity.  That has nothing to do with the age of a word or its origin.


Well it does to an extent, but that's neither here nor there.  You are the one who brought up the age of the word, I just expanded .

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the popular understanding of genocide today is race killer.


That is understating the definition.  It is the dispersing of a group or the systematic breakdown of the 'whom'.  This can be done via murder/killing or other means, such as incarceration, resettlement or seperation.  Whether the intention to destroy the 'whom' is intentional or not is irrelevant, it is still genocide.

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So shall we now argue whether its a race or religion?  Which jews are real jews?

I don't dig arguing.  I don't differentiate between 'real' or 'not real'.

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If you are not trying to attach the word holocaust to genocide then you did a left turn from the original issue that you posted your apparent refutation against.


I am going to BOLD it just so I can absolutely make sure you understand.  I am not discussing the word holocaust.  I never did - show me on this thread where I did, other than to try and get you off from comparing to 'holocaust'.  You cannot, because I didn't.  You are probably confusing me with another poster.  Either that or you are not reading correctly.  Or trying to mislead the reading public.  I prefere to choose the first option and give you the benefit.

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So what is your point now that you ahve gone full circle and declared this a nowhere nonargument?


There was no point other than to assertain your understanding of the word 'genocide'.  How can anyone make any 'point' until they know where a person is coming from?

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