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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 6:39:15 PM   
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In years to come when all those that may have been involved in the greatest crime of all time have grown old, spent their wealth and died, who knows the truth might come out then. But I expect not, for 9/11 might just have been the key those interested parties needed to wage war on oil bearing lands and lands of people who have a different take on the majority belief of the Western world. It might even come to be that 9/11 becomes small potatoes in comparison to what has happened since in terms of people and what will come to pass given the current interest in Iran, yet another oil bearing land with a different take on the God squad.

What 9/11 effectively did  was to instill outrage and support for actions overseas, go get the terrorist the people believed, but x years later, where is he ? CIA trained perhaps, well if he is, he is the greatest ever trained to evade all of America's might and technology for so long and just when things are all dying down a new grainy video is released to the world to let everyone know the terrorist is still alive and kicking, an etheral bogeyman to get the politicians to stir up fervour for the continued hunt and spending of lives.

But it is interesting how the bogeyman of the mid 1900's was the communist, now it is the believer of Islam, I just wonder who is next in line to be the danger from which we must all be protected.

But of 9/11, the thing that interests me, is the fact that the action of flying an aircraft into a building as an act of terrorism was known about, it had been pondered, and the WTC was known to be a likely target for a terrorist act, but it seems nothing was done about it, no plans made, was this because of arrogance I wonder, arrogance in the fact that everyone believed no one would dare to attack the home soil of the big superpower that is the US.

I suppose there is one good thing to come out of conspiracy theories concerning 9/11, it instills a healthy distrust of those in power over us, but the conpiracy theories must always be met at every angle and headed off, for has anyone considered what would happen to the US if the 9/11 conspiracy theories turned out to contain more truth than fantasy, it might mean the destruction of the society you know.


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 6:43:54 PM   
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vow still so many SHEEPLE,"idiots want more evidence,JACK

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 6:46:42 PM   
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the WTC was previously bombed in 1993.

in the past 10 years we reward incompetence.   So guess what we are going to get for the next 10 years?

Hint-   "incompetence"

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 6:50:13 PM   
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That's a ludicrous amount of equipment to fit in the spaces available.

Not at all. I seem to recall that rfids can be as small as a grain of rice. They have their own particular frequency and their own radio antenna to receive and send information. So all that is required is a lump of thermite, a strip of magnesium, a rfid and somewhere else a computer and a radio transmitter.

As others have pointed out an RFID chip is completely inadequte for the job. The very small ones only function within a few inches of the transmitter.

To set off the plastique required to cut the support, incendiaries are not going to do the job, requires a significant electrical discharge from a detonator. So to cut each I beam, i.e. one of the dozens in the central core and each floor joist, requires drilling a hole through the steel. planting several ounces of plastique along with detonator. Running the wire, quickly cabled together with all the other wires, to an outside control panel.

But you're still claiming everyone in NY and the surrounding area who saw the planes is lying as are all the camermen who filmed the second plane hitting the tower. So according to you all the news networks willingly cut away from live coverage to show a conspiracy provided film of a special effects shot. Now you've got the hundreds of men required to place the charges, all teh news room employees of all teh NYC stations and all the major networks and tens of thousands of eyewitnesses all involved in a conspiacy. Even in your paranoid delusion doesn't that strike you as an awfully big group to all be in on this and none of them have ever come clean?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:00:45 PM   
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Just glue some thermate to a structural element?


According to the demonstration shown in this video, only a small amount of super-thermite needs to be painted on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryLsN6vnE3Y&playnext=3&p=1580CD80DD4A25AD&index=3&feature=PlayList&playnext_from=PL&ytsession=1cK4wPjSE5a2ge5HsXSjymu5vVKLNn8e09N_ctwulzBqA8B6ouj-sGHb7gWT6fVPJQpiaCfaLw9AuVGULiqQ4Y49hJGLi8mg5fuQ5ZuZVK1tTvRUmewDZfRprMehVQqnM2laK2vTy8FmUiLNcH7mFRC4fajIc5Xzki0SxF6EI-uOyZvA9U6cO3qaFKzFKhXFzD-f-O-k2B4JrnRF1stt0HnFDwJ1SCrqRsmZawQrHpUav8LFLm9roM8GEFzPY5LBk2hlMzvGPcEzGqC1tXX62ZeoNKZU4vbxLYuFNJnSLMzJwjBYB-ZdhhiXb_GaQ_mY7tC_YUqb6HEUgZIqDXbjCfu-mJUEiHfSgoOjAnH2v73abmvOvkm9mP4irp4PFIR4SPwki1F2UFAOQYrJTAO0pcNTyweiLPhc-b7J_ZpZisEU4y8_OKjIFCwV49lwsuye

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:07:41 PM   
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To paint thermite paint onto steel girders in the WTC teh existing fireproofing would have had to be removed. that's not something that can be done easily, quickly and without a big mess. Ventura is as full of shit on this as the rest of the truthers.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:08:41 PM   
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I suppose there is one good thing to come out of conspiracy theories concerning 9/11, it instills a healthy distrust of those in power over us, but the conpiracy theories must always be met at every angle and headed off, for has anyone considered what would happen to the US if the 9/11 conspiracy theories turned out to contain more truth than fantasy, it might mean the destruction of the society you know.


It would mean that the masses would finally enlighten, and purge those who enslave them(after the Great Oz tried every boogeyman trick imaginable to cling on to its power, of course).

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:09:42 PM   
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we accept that most of what you post is non-argument due to incorrectness and irrelevance at the outset.


Ah comin back for more abuse I see.

Most people recognise when they are out of the league and stop making fools out of themselves.

I guess I will have to put you down again.

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That's what happened. Once one floor failed the entire weight of the building was suddenly applied to the floor below etc.

right some twenty plus or thirty plus floors above (depending on which tower) out of 110 in each building


Well that didnt take long, 2 posts down and you are flappin the yapper LOL.

You 2 really are clueless how this stuff works you know that?  Like unfuckingreal.

I am not sure if you are fema shills or really that ignorant.

First the failure mode of a floor in fire is that is slowly loses its yield strength and SLOWLY SAGS....  with me so far?

Then the part that sags SLOWLY TOUCHES THE FLOOR BELOW.  Still here?

THEN the part that is touching the floor begins to cool and become stronger because the flame at the bottom is around 300 degrees.

So there is no impact of the upper floor when it fails. DUH!

Next lets say the upper floor did fail.

The only weight on the floor it crashed into is the weight of the fallen floor NOT THE WHOLE FUCKING BUILDING.

Boys this is high school shit here....so whats up are you propaganda shills or what?  Even I have a hard time thinking anyone is that ignorant to the failure mode and would actually be in a conversation about the wtc.

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http://wtc.nist.gov/


Believe me nist did not say or ellude to anything like that on any level

why post a link you never cracked open?


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:16:14 PM   
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FR

why are the 911 liars always so incredibly fucking stoopid?

LOL



Quit asking yourself questions.

As for the OP link, yes Lafolley is lying. Maybe it is because he was sacked from the WTC. Maybe he just wants more free publicity.


no hes not

still saying any damn nonsense I see.  

fall for any more fake videos lately?

LOL



Well you would believe anything, so your view of  Lafolley doesnt suprise me.

Fake video ? You just spent the last two weeks trying to convince everyone that the grey smoke was a bomb. Now that you have been proved wrong, the video is suddenly a fake.


No I dont believe anything.  Unlike you I know that everytime the government starts flapping its flapper its a lie.  911 is a lie.  plain and simple.

Do you like wake up every day and just making shit up as you go?   Again here we go right into any grade school kid that played with matches and gas or oil knows what it burns like.

Of course I cant speak for kids that mom never lets out of the house for fear they might hurt themselves.





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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:24:34 PM   
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That's what happened. Once one floor failed the entire weight of the building was suddenly applied to the floor below etc.


Do you ahve any idea how funny that is!  It deserved a rerun LMAO

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One floor? In some structures, definitely. No question about it.

Please tell that to DomKen. How thick is you foot thick bundle of wires now, DomKen? (In my opinion no detonation wires were used at all and it was done fully automatic, radiographically and with a computer. The bigger crime actually was not the demolition of the towers, but in not making this superior technology publicly available to the world.)

Here's the problem with doing it as a controlled demo. There is no fire to soften the central core.

How do you know?


The central core supported the entire structure,

WHAT THE FUCK?
No it didnt!            
The exoskeleton supported itself and the floors as did the core.


the outer walls were not structural.

What were they spaghetti?        

To bring down one floor means cutting the central core.

You could cut either to bring down one side.        

On at least one floor and to make sure it happens it means cutting it on 4 or 5 floors minimum. It would still require hole drilled into structural members and floor joists.

No it wouldnt thye are mounted on channels.        

It would still require precise timing and a foot thick bundle of wires. Go ask a demolition company.

Digital Radio damn still in the stone age.        

BTW radiographically? Radiography is the technical term for taking an xray of the inside of something. I think you mean by radio which is impossible. RF propogation inside a metal and concrete structure is problematic at best and for this sort of thing every signal has to be received or else something doesn't go off on time and the building doesn't come straight down.


No its not problematic if you understand how radio works.


Great post ken 0 for 0!


       



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:27:34 PM   
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It is good that you are sure.


All I am sure of is that you always evade the issue of proof.


why would anyone bother you just keep moving the goal posts.


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:35:44 PM   
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First the failure mode of a floor in fire is that is slowly loses its yield strength and SLOWLY SAGS....  with me so far?

Then the part that sags SLOWLY TOUCHES THE FLOOR BELOW.  Still here?

THEN the part that is touching the floor begins to cool and become stronger because the flame at the bottom is around 300 degrees.

So there is no impact of the upper floor when it fails. DUH!



Stick with "DUH" and don't waste time typing anything superfluous.

You're completely full of shit, yet again. The problem was that the vertical columns failed. When they collapsed, everything they were holding up - the entire mass of the building above the level at which the failure occurred - fell onto the levels below. All of that energy was transferred within a second or two, and that was more than sufficient to cause total failure of those levels.

You have no clue what you're talking about, and you argue in circles like a child. I don't whether it's because you're insane or because you're an idiot, because while both are obviously true, it's difficult to tell which affliction is the cause of your deranged babblings. Have you got anyone who checks on you from time to time, to make sure you're bathing occasionally and taking the garbage out, and not leaving empty cardboard beer cases stacked on top of the stove? Because I worry about you.


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:41:32 PM   
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Of course the control panel would essentially be a computer but it cannot be doen with radio. each of thousands of charges would need to either have a radio receiver and computer chip to determine if the coded signal was theright one or each charge would require its own frequency.

Nope, a simple wire to the frame for antenna, yup a small comparator all about the size of 3 stacked nickels.         

That's a ludicrous amount of equipment to fit in the spaces available.

What a drama queen.         

The WTC's were nearly fully occupied and there is no way no one would have noticed a huge work crew drilling holes in support beams and floor joists much less installing thousands of radio receivers and antennas.

Thats bullshit ken they were constantly working on it doing something and with the talent I see here in this thread they could tell you what they were doing you you all would be none the wiser.         

As to your claim of no planes, there are hundreds of thousands of people who saw them with their eyeballs and many hundreds of different pictures and films of the planes hitting the towers.

No there aint.  You said that before and I am still waiting for your list.        

To dismiss that evidence is absurd.

What evidence?  YOu never provided any!        

The planes hit the buildings. Intense fires started by the impacts and initially fueled by thejet fuel weakened the structures till they pancaked down.


I knew it was only amatter of a short time before the mega drama would start!!!!  

How INTENSE was that MASSIVE RAGING INFERNO ken?

LMAO       







Feast your eyes on that MASSIVE FUCKING INFERNO!

Nothing could withstand that kind of INTENSE RAGING fire!

Just LOOK at all that RAGING fire!

LMAO!        









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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:50:18 PM   
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I will once again tell you to go find a building demo engineer who will tell you as many have stated publicly that the only way to intentionally bring down a building teh way the towers came down is to do it by cutting the core and floor joists on many adjacent floors with high explosives in a precisely timed controlled demolition.

Which brings you back to a big bundle of wires and a control panel.


well thats part of it but there are other ways.  In fact they have directed micro nukes that are perfect for blowing out the core not that I am saying that is how it was done but the core would literally shatter into dust.

Gotta be creative and living in todays world


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 9:55:29 PM   
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building 7 free fall.


crash.

the building where the Enron records were.

Silverstein said  "pull it' and they did.



I will keep an eye out for my hi res divx.

Seriously it looks like any other demo.  You see the flashes 2/3 to the right side, the windows blow out and squibs all nearly simultaneously and down it comes.

Thats why all the shit on tv is blurry so the propaganda whores can create doubt but it comes out.

Thats why I am beginning to question if there are motives with these guys when even crap that we knew as children they are so clueless about.  It works great to pilfer propaganda though.




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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:16:27 PM   
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Unless you use an extremely powerful transmitter, but that is obviously not the case as there would have been reports of such a powerful signal.


How can you say that as wide as the radio band is?

No way would anyone be able to detect it and if they would it would be so short lived it would be huh?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:18:23 PM   
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http://wtc.nist.gov/

Unfortunately, Rule, RealOne, and pahunk don't believe those reports - they are part of the government conspiracy, don'cha know?



well of course we believe NIST why wouldnt we?










Now the fact there was no hole for all that shit to come out of doesnt really change anything now does it!

Ah believes! Ahz truly believes!    LMAO







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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:24:46 PM   
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the collapse of building 7 was also reported before it happened.   by about 20 minutes.   they reported the building had collapse over in the UK- even holding a live picture in the background- of - what else?   Building number 7.  

someone dig this up.

7 was imploded.    ....and today we are yet 1 more day closer to the next government false flag event.



this is fucking hilarious!

Yeh and CNN reported i t15 minutes early too!

I had ot laugh my ass off she is yapping away and its right behind her.

What a bunch of tards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc


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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:30:44 PM   
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911 conspiracy idiots are the most psychotic and moronic of all left-wing hippies and their lot of anti-government non-conformists.

Sheesh!

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/15/2010 10:33:43 PM   
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911 conspiracy idiots are the most psychotic and moronic of all left-wing hippies and their lot of anti-government non-conformists.

Sheesh!


yeh man I certainly agree with you there!

Only a complete retard would believe that 19 cave men infiltrated our what? 400 billion dollar defense system and took out 3 buildings with 2 planes!

That was a true unbelievable leftie anti everything wasnt it.


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