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main engine

no it aint this is the rear view you can see the fan below the tailpipe almost touching the floor.


Those step ladders really help put it into perspective dont they :)

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Jesus Christ hunk, I can't believe how clueless you are on this.  You really don't care what the firefighters say?  They're all in on the conspiracy then?

I've also told you before that the redacted portion of that report was sources and methods of intelligence gathering, which is routinely classified.  And classified material is exempt from FOIAs.

they said there were perimeter explosions just like you see in all the pics.  Well if you understand what one even looks like.

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Titanium.  The discs are titanium.

The nose had the whole damn plane behind it, why wouldn't it?  With that much kinetic energy, it's gonna punch a nice clean hole through the wall.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8 for what happens when a jet hits a wall at high speed.

that jet didnt go through the wall.  all that kinetic energy... hmmm.  and the nose crumpled like tinfoil which is what they do.  the 'hardest' part of a jetliner is the engine housings, which have to contain the pressures from the engine working, and not the nose, which just has to be aerodynamic.

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Those so-called "perimeter explosions" are produced by the compression of the air caused by the floor collapsing

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The hardest parts of an engine are the disks.

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main engine

no it aint this is the rear view you can see the fan below the tailpipe almost touching the floor.


Those step ladders really help put it into perspective dont they :)

See this illustration for the relative size of the disc/blade assemblies.

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Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?

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i usually bite my tongue on this topic, as no one convinces anyone of anything.  but my two cents :D

where we should focus our attention is on the pentagon hit.  when asked about the lack of wreckage we were told that the flames burnt so hot it vaporised the plane.  but-   kerosene can not burn hot enough to melt aircraft aluminum.  it is incapable of burning that hot.  so there is some sort of coverup.  cant argue with that.  as to what is being covered up?  we will never know

Well seeing as a Boeing 757 is made of light weight materials (including aluminum alloys and epoxy composites), one could reasonably assume that the fire created by the jet fuel (which burns at temps between 800 and 1500 degrees F), would be hot enough to vaporize most of the plane.

But who am I to try and debunk the truthers, at least this keeps em busy and typically in one place.

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Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?

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I have never posted here before but have been reading this one. I agree with those that feel as if there is extreme reasonable doubt as to whether 9/11 came off just as we were told. But, I know a few things about mechanics and have been researching 9/11 myself as much as I can now and over the last couple of years. I am begining to get real pissed-off and mostly at the govt. secrecy surrounding this attack.

So from what I saw on 9/11 on TV through the following years and putting a few things together I have come to the conclusion that the admin. story is about the wildest conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

For example on the subject of these aircraft. I, looking at science and recorded TV since, try what one might call comparative reasoning. Let's compare results.

BTW, not that we are really seeking the truth but those planes' structures are made of titanium and steel, the engines 6 tons each and trust me, they do not vaporize on contact.

It has never ceased during my reading, to amaze me how I am being asked  to believe that these planes can all burn so, so hot and to do all of that damage to the WTC, even bringing down a building one didn't hit, yet do not burn themselves up.

Am I being asked to believe that they burn what 800-1500 degrees maybe even hotter as an operating temp. but what, 3500 degrees when it hits something ? How ? Why ? I don't.

I am being asked to believe that two jets, each bringing down more steel than an aircraft carrier, while others leave only a small hole in the Pentagon and not even scorching the ground in PA. I don't.

Am I being asked to believe that a rookie (somebody kicked out of flight school for incompetence) did not only a majestic 270 degree turn but defied the laws of aerodynamics flying this jet airliner 400-500 mph only a few feet off the ground ? I don't.

So I have come to a new conclusion, if a commercial jet airliner hit the pentagon or crashed in the dirt pit in Pa. that I saw on TV where the Somerset Co., Pa. coroner did his interview, and almost but not entirely vaporized on contact, then I am the fucking queen of Egypt.

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Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?

all i know is the pentagon thing made no sense to me.  even with thornhappys link i still dont see how a 757 can fly 550mph at sea level into a hardened building making a huge hole through 3 layers of reinforced concrete, vaporizing the plane but for a tiny amount of wreckage.  i dont know about the rest :D  i just know the government lied(as governments do from time to time)

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Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?

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Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?

Once off transponder the planes in NY were essentially lost as for ident. But we did find them again hitting the WTC. The 'planes' headed for the Pent.,or Pa. or sites 'unknown' were only blips on the radar until lost completely, with the exception of only the approach of the whatever hit the pentagon.

The one allegedly in Pa. allegedly picked up by the AF was then according to Rumsfeld on 9/11...shot down. That is until THE man next to the pres. with the authority to shoot down a civilian airliner, changed his story the next day to it having been crash landed in Pa.

But it was easy after that the plane in Pa. could have been shot down or ditched over the water while there was no plane that hit the pentagon. If one needs to find a plane once off radar, well...good luck.

You want info. on the passengers ? How about a single Arab sirname on any passenger list ? I never saw them.

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Operation Northwoods

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Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?

Well operation northwoods pretty much scripted out the plan they intended to use.  Fortunately they did not carry out the part of shooting people on the street.   It pretty much laid out what the government would not hesitate to do did it not?

Operation Northwoods

US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR

From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and

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Jesus Christ hunk, I can't believe how clueless you are on this.  You really don't care what the firefighters say?  They're all in on the conspiracy then?

I've also told you before that the redacted portion of that report was sources and methods of intelligence gathering, which is routinely classified.  And classified material is exempt from FOIAs.

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I've lost track of the number of times I sent you the report on WTC 7.  It had major structural damage from the debris (2 holes each 10 stories long), and had multiple fires burning.  I even had the quotes from the fire chief at the scene, who decried all the conspiracy theories.

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What has that to do with the Illuminati?  And if government's so incompetent, how could they have carried off a fake 9/11.  You can't have it both ways.

Speaking of Illuminati and the PTB, where are they telling about another 9/11?  What papers, TV, radio, etc.?

Here is my position.

7 was imploded.

while  1 and 2 seem odd- I stop short of saying the govt did that.

but 7 was taken down.

7 was imploded.  I don't need a report to know what I saw and heard.

-- as long as you are celebrating reports- get a FOIA done to the 23 pages that were blacked out of the 9-11 report.

and reverse the insurance fraud payment that went out  from AIG to Silverstein.

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You guys honestly believe the group that pulled this off, couldn't find a way to plant WMD's in Iraq for Bush?