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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:42:06 PM   
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9/11 Commission Members Doubt Official Story Daniel Taylor
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September 11, 2009


Senator Max Cleland (in wheelchair).

On the eighth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, there remain unanswered questions surrounding the events that transpired that day. These questions demand answers, and far from being a “fringe” movement as cast by the mainstream media, many of the 9/11 commission members themselves doubt the official story. The following are a few examples: Senator Max Cleland, who resigned from the 9/11 Commission after calling it a “national scandal”, stated in a 2003 PBS interview,
“I’m saying that’s deliberate. I am saying that the delay in relating this information to the American public out of a hearing… series of hearings, that several members of Congress knew eight or ten months ago, including Bob Graham and others, that was deliberately slow walked… the 9/11 Commission was deliberately slow walked, because the Administration’s policy was, and its priority was, we’re gonna take Saddam Hussein out.”
Cleland, speaking with Democracy Now, said,
“One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.
In 2006 the Washington Post reported that several members of the 9/11 Commission suspected deception on part of the Pentagon. As reported,
“Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon’s initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.”
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerry also has unanswered questions. As reported by Salon, he believes that there are legitimate reasons to believe an alternative version to the official story. (ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW)
“There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version,” Kerrey said. The commission had limited time and limited resources to pursue its investigation, and its access to key documents and witnesses was fettered by the administration.
Commissioner Tim Roemer, speaking to CNN, stated that Commission members were considering a criminal probe of false statements. As quoted, “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting,” Roemer told CNN. “We were not sure of the intent, whether it was to deceive the commission or merely part of the fumbling bureaucracy.”



You link the entire interview, which clearly states that he's talking about the timing of the release of the report, and doesnt say a goddam thing about the report itself being flawed.

What kind of moron are you?

Who are the 6 commisioners. Provide a quote from each that even implies that they think the report is so flawed that there were no planes.



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:44:27 PM   
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I either know or I do not know.


Ya gotta admit, that's a point...



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:45:02 PM   
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What kind of moron are you?//

I would like an apology for this.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:46:20 PM   
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Wow. You are nuts.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:46:37 PM   
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What kind of moron are you?//

I would like an apology for this.



I apologize.

I already know youre a total moron and I shouldnt have taxed your brain to come up with a response.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:49:42 PM   
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Not yet.

However some of these photos may lead to the truth.

Explosive delivery devices or really cool diversions.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:54:16 PM   
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Wow. You are nuts.


Dude.  I have not resorted to name calling on this board.

Therefor the civil thing to do is to afford me with the same respect that I afford to others.



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:55:48 PM   
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Expecting wilbeur to apologize to you?

Whatever, dude.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:56:31 PM   
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Expecting wilbeur to apologize to you?

Whatever, dude.


I guess you didnt see my apology then!

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:57:47 PM   
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Not yet.

However some of these photos may lead to the truth.

Explosive delivery devices or really cool diversions.


Hmmm..........you may be on to something........



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:58:25 PM   
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[wiki] Kelly Leverknight was watching news of the attacks when she heard the plane. "I heard the plane going over and I went out the front door and I saw the plane going down. It was headed toward the school... Then you heard the explosion and felt the blast and saw the fire and smoke.

She heard, she heard and felt, she saw fire and smoke. Nothing conclusive.
Oh, and she saw the plane going down, headed toward the school. What plane? She does not describe it. Was it headed toward the school or was it going down?

I do know one thing: no airplane crashed there. She is a liar.

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Another witness, Eric Peterson, looked up when he heard the plane, "It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets. You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side. There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud

He does not describe the plane either. That is because he does not have any idea what the plane looked like. That is because nobody told him what it looked like, or if someone told him what to expect he had failed to memorize his text.

I do know one thing: no airplane crashed there. He is a liar.

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Val McClatchey had been watching footage of the attacks when she heard the plane. She saw it briefly, then heard the impact. The crash knocked out the electricity and phones. McClatchey grabbed her camera and took the only known picture of the smoke cloud from the explosion.

What plane did she hear? What plane did she see? If she was watching footage, then how could she possibly have seen a plane? So something knocked out the electricity, meaning end of watching footage. Next she grabs her camera and photographs a smoke cloud. What smoke cloud? At what time?

I could say more about her, but I will not; she does is the most interesting of the above three.

I do know one thing: no airplane crashed there. She is a liar.

None of these three is in my written material, as their testimony is too vague and inconclusive evidence.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 5:59:30 PM   
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I guess you didnt see my apology then!


It was.....a thing of......um..........

It was gracious. That's it. Uh-huh. Gracious. It was. Really.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 6:00:32 PM   
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What kind of moron are you?//

I would like an apology for this.




I guess after 25 pages of getting their asses spanked the kids need to work out their frustrations LOL






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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 6:02:04 PM   
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What plane did she hear? What plane did she see? If she was watching footage, then how could she possibly have seen a plane? So something knocked out the electricity, meaning end of watching footage. Next she grabs her camera and photographs a smoke cloud. What smoke cloud? At what time?


The answer is obvious...



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 6:02:52 PM   
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Expecting wilbeur to apologize to you?

Whatever, dude.


I guess you didnt see my apology then!


He did in a half way manner.

A message board is not a chat room.    In the past- I never asked- but- then mod 11 was around.

So it was not aimed only at him- but anyone who does not have manners.   I dont want to slam people like that- nor do I like the be slammed - like that.



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 6:11:08 PM   
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Why would you believe all other air crashes with airframe destruction, but not these ones?

I know that there were no planes. It took me some time to realize that. I did investigate some or all of the wrong airplane ideas, but eventually I concluded that all of them were false trails and - independently from others (I may have been the first) - that in fact at none of the four sites was an airplane that crashed.

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The Loonies Return - 2/17/2010 6:13:31 PM   
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I guess after 25 pages of getting their asses spanked


And it's so obvious!

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked?


Finally---Mothman comes forward to explain.....




thats sort of funny because if you get a hold of the long version of the alleged plane in building 1, while he is fumbling with the camera a few birds fly by exactly as the one, that is the fuzzy blob in the original video that flaps it way to the alleged impact point before they modified it to look more like a plane.

And then in 2002, this comes out....



Coincidence? Obviously not. Mothman knew something was up, and was circling the WTC that morning.


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There were no planes.

Indeed!




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It was all hidden in the river. Mothman watches over it...



See the date? Actual footage, and solid proof.




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RE: The Loonies Return - 2/17/2010 6:29:19 PM   
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http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/03/21/2009-03-21_world_trade_center_developer_larry_silve.html#ixzz0fi43SbKE   and he wants a bail out.

Silverstein.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 6:30:05 PM   
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Okay. I usually leave these 9/11 threads alone but what the hell.

I live in NYC. I did not see the WTC attack because I was driving along the Jersey turnpike at the time of the attack. However, I know people who were in the buildings at the time they were hit.

I know someone who did not see the plane hit the first building since he was in it at the time but was on the street and saw the plane hit the second building. I've known him for more than a decade and I have absolutely no doubt that he is telling the truth. The police told him to get away from the buildings as fast as he could and he was walking uptown when the towers came down. He was in the dustcloud that was so thick he couldn't see his hand in front of face and walked, with his shirt over his head to try and keep the crap out of his lungs and eyes, until he got to the police barricade at Canal Street.

Might there be some sort of coverup? Yes, of course. Is it possible that someone knew something,or that one or more foreign governments were aware of the attempt and chose not to alert us of it? Yes. Is it possible that there was good intelligence that was ignored? Yes. Is it possible that one or more officials or agencies knew something was up and, not realizing the magnitude of what was going to happen, chose to not pursue leads or aggressively follow a trail? Yes.

The story that almost no one ever discusses is the flaws in the construction of the WTC. The NYC Fire Commissioner at the time, John O'Hagen, went on a huge rant about how they had eliminated insulation and fire prevention methods in order to save money. How do I know this? Because back in 1972 my father told me about it because he was there. The only direct quote I've been able to find:

“You people saved a million dollars by reneging on a promise to use fire-retardant lumber for falsework and formwork.  You have created a seven-block-long lumberyard.  We cannot take responsibility for preventing damage to the unprotected steel.  In this case, the fuel consists of wiring insulation and plastic that are easily destroyed and produce huge quantities of toxic fumes.”

This is from the Fire Commissioner of New York City responding to a representative of the Port Authority at an NFPA meeting. The best link I can find is this:

http://www.fireengineering.com/index/articles/display/143734/articles/fire-engineering/volume-155/issue-4/departments/the-ol-professor/wtc-lightweight-steel-and-high-rise-buildings.html

This is stuff that no one wants to discuss or bring up. That the buildings were not built to code and were giant fire-traps, especially above the 60th floor where they also stopped using asbestos and did not properly treat the steel columns and joists.

That's the kind of cover up *I* believe in. Fake planes and edited footage and secret bombs ... that's just sad.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/17/2010 6:37:52 PM   
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I know that there were no planes.


See, the problem here, is that when you say this, you are supposed to wave your hand in front of our face, like so-





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