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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/17/2010 6:23:54 PM   
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Dame Calla....please allow me to offer a perspective from one who is included in NorthernGent's quote.

Ever since I started to understand why I felt different from my fellow male friends and began to understand that I was "different" my entire life has been counter to what the majority of the population considers "normal" or not a "freak". I have respected enough of your past posts to not be offended by the term freak as I do not see myself in that respect! If others called me a freak them yes I would most likely lose my temper yet that's mainly over semantics and how we define a freak or abnormality and that I do not wish to get into at this time.

Yes I am an openly gay male and I do not believe that choice was offered to me, it was there and I either had to accept and adapt to being a gay man or face the fact that life wasn't worth experiencing. The only choice I had was to learn how to be a strong person inside and embrace and be proud that I am a living human who is also gay. Yes that journey is difficult, fighting against the idiotic and ignorant prejudices that a large percentage of the population believes of someone like me.

Even in this modern day, I find I am still battling the same tired biases against my kind. What most people don't realize that a person like myself has had to sacrifice much to be who we are and to be true to ourselves. Sacrifices of being rejected by family/friends/relatives. Leading double lives due to jobs or where we live. Not being allowed to share the joy of marriage with the one whom we love with all our bodies and soul. Living with that fear in the back of your mind that you still could be a victim of being gay bashed in some dark alley coming home from work or a night out with friends. Being isolated from many social activities because most are geared towards heterosexual people. The list can go on and on but those are a few I am able to think of on the spot.

Often through my adult life, I sat back and pondered if all my struggles to be a stable and fairly well adjusted person was worth all the personal sacrifices I made - the answer has always been a resounding Yes! I had no choice but to adapt to a life filled with close friends and accept that I would never have offspring to raise and see any grand kids. Yet despite this, I still have the capacity to fully love another and have the capability to spend my life with that one special person; though it will be with another man.

When you look past all the superficial issues, people like myself are still living life with the same wants, needs and desires of the rest of the population. We all want to be loved especially by that special someone whom we want to spend the rest of our lives growing old together. Even though our paths towards that goal is different, the end result is still the same. You had to make certain sacrifices to be who you are today, I had to do the same. So in the end, none of us humans are freaks...we are unique individuals that should be admired for differences and for the specific life experiences each one of us had gone through.

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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/18/2010 6:04:17 AM   
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The following is a translation into English of an article which appears in 'features', page 9 of Gazeta Wyborcza - a Polish newspaper - edition 246 dated 21st October 2005.

The first fringe theatres started appearing in London in 1948. This idea inspired Teatr Osmego Dnia to develop street theatre in Poland in the 1960's and 1970's. The work of the great authority on modern theatre Jerzy Grotowski, though influenced by fringe theatre, never led to this type of theatre being developed in Poland.

Fringe theatre is neither professional nor amateur theatre. It takes place in non-theatrical buildings. During the 1990's this concept of theatre was introduced to Poland through the work of XXXXXXXXX.

Pawel Sowa.



That XXXXXXXXX is me. The above is a review of a performance of one of my plays (the photo below is also taken from that performance) which opened in Gdansk, Poland in March 1995. That same play is being staged today somewhere in Spain.

This article appeared less than a month of me coming out publicly as 'myself' Stella in Poland, in the small Polish town of Zywiec where I had set up the first theatre in the town's history, shortly before my first and only public appearance as Stella at the 2005 Warsaw Equality Parade standing shoulder to shoulder with the Polish LGBT community. This was part of the acknowledgement and recognition I received for being possibly the first and only to successfully 'cross over' from Western Europe to Eastern Europe in the performing arts.

To many people I am many things, to some undoubtedly I am the 'freak', both for being transgendered and also for my artistic work, I am definitely not mainstream.

My 'coming out' came at immense personal cost to me, I lost almost everything, friends, contacts, a relationship, my work, my career and artistic reputation - Polish society which is heavily influenced by the Catholic Church has no place for people like me anywhere in culture, sport or education - and ultimately my home. This included the friends where I had worked in Warsaw, such as the Polish football (soccer) association where I had spent time teaching English to the management of the Polish 2002 World Cup entourage, politicians, journalists, others in the entertainment industry. It cost me a possible film project with Andrzej Wajda, and at the time I had been approached by the (now governing) Platforma Obywatelska (Citizens Platform) political party to stand as a candidate in their European elections for Warsaw.

I had been planning to 'come out' all along, finally making the decision when I wrote my stage play 'Death' that August, at the same time as Hurricane Katrina, and had decided to do so because I knew of my Polish friends in a similar situation to me who had come out or tried to and lost everything (as I did) and I felt that my not being Polish would work in my favour.

This came after my meeting with the street homeless at Warsaw East station, men and women who had marched, demonstrated and gone out on strike in support of Lech Walesa and the Polish Solidarity movement, but who since then had lost their jobs, their livelihoods and their homes and families. The final spark was reading the above article after the performances and watching from my kitchen window my neighbour leaving his apartment block with a barrow to collect empty beer cans to sell at a recycling plant to raise money to pay bills and put a loaf of bread on the family dinner table.

These were the people who had accepted me, who had made me what I was, and I felt that in pretending just to be a public figure that I was deceiving them. For years I had accepted that deceit was part and parcel of being transgendered but I also knew that it was also my own lack of courage for not standing up and facing up to all my issues - which I had been doing privately for some years. I was still hiding behind a facade, and I decided to remove that facade completely so that I too could go out and show myself to the world.

This was how I returned to the UK and how I ended up having to work my way back from zero - from being street homeless, working my way through the system through to what is today - where literally today I am meeting two actresses to discuss a film project adapted from that very same stage play 'Death' written in 2005.

I want my cake and to eat it too, I want to be myself and accepted as such, and to be recognized finally for my artistic work, something which I would have been able to take for granted perhaps had I chosen not to come out publicly like I did.

From a certain perspective it would appear that I have the same issues now as I had in Poland, that the same struggle is taking place but only that my geographical location and appearance have changed. But no, the way I see it, it is no longer about me, and who I am, but about everyone.

Yes I identify myself as female, but I cannot have the child I long for, I cannot even have a period and at the age of 43 I have no knowledge of what most women take for granted - I do not know what it is like to be loved, emotionally, psychologically, physically, to have a body, heart and mind all in union. All I know is that I was slowly destroying myself, killing myself, hurting those close to me, those who knew me, through being who I was, and facing an imminent death, which admittedly I had tried to bring on a couple of times through suicide, only to be lying six feet under and remembered for who I am not and never will be.

But the way I see it I am not the 'freak', I refuse to see anyone who is gay, lesbian, or transgendered as anyone other than the individuals who they are in reality and as a valued member of humanity the same as everyone else. I also don't have an issue with those who are heterosexual, bisexual, whatever, we are all part of humanity and part of society. The freaks to me are those who cannot accept this single fact as the truth.

But unfortunately the freaks constitute a number, and they also influence the rest. Hence I remember my one night in the United States in the cell of a city jail in Atlanta. I remember going to the employment agencies in London looking for work, giving them my name, my CV and my details, and witnessing that silence as the woman at the desk looks at me, then at her colleagues trying to think of a company where she could place me for an assignment. We live in a world which appears to be divided into strictly defined gender roles - male or female - and if you don't conform to either then there appears to be no place for you in this world.

I refuse to accept this world, but prefer instead the world of reality, of which I am a part, as is everybody else who are different, and I know that to get anywhere - for me personally - this can no longer be my issue alone for if it is I will stand alone against the rest of society and the rest of the world and lose.

This explains my life the way it is now, my activist ideals, why I am working to set up a charity working against social stigma, and why when my films finally do come out things are going to be different. This isn't just about me, it's about everybody and anybody who may be considered a freak by the freaks - it doesn't matter whether you are excluded or shut out as I have been, or if you have to hide behind a facade of being 'normal' and be less open about certain aspects of who you are as a person. It just has somehow happened that in becoming me, myself, my life has become one of causes where I have decided to use my experience, abilities and talents to provide a platform and to further the causes of anyone who is excluded or who is vulnerable to the risk of being socially excluded just for being who they are as people.

There are people I left behind in Poland, when I left behind a sort of uncomfortable silence and taboo. Some of those people who were associated with me were in turn ostracized by other Poles, including those you see in the photo, and they too lost jobs, friends, etc. I also have a couple of former friends who didn't accept me. I have been denounced by the Catholic Church as evil, and one friend has promised that if we ever were to meet he would kill me.

When I left I promised that I would return one day. I am today working on film projects to submit to film festivals and some of those festivals are in Poland. One such festival takes place in August immediately before the major Golden Lion awards ceremony, another in November in Warsaw and I am hoping that this year I will be able to fulfill that promise and return, as myself, to Poland as an artist.

I have no regrets about the ways things have been and the decisions I have made, nor have I any regrets about walking away from everything just to be myself, or to stand up against those bigger than me such as the Catholic Church and the government in support of others irrespective of who they are, whether they be transgendered, gay, kinky, homeless, or whatever reason they be persecuted by others just for being who they are in reality. These are decisions I stand by and decisions I am fully prepared to die for.




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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/18/2010 9:54:24 AM   
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...asked the question about why anyone would ever choose a life with the harassment and trials of being gay, and to me, it just seemed like a natural extension of being who we are -- and completely natural to take any risk to be one's authentic self...

Careful. You're treading dangerously close to the "imposing your kink upon others!" border.

There has to be some dichotomy at the core in the value assessment of life with people, I think. How we perceive the pros and cons leads some of us to placate the preferences and biases of others to the point that they force us to live a lie (at least publicly) whereas others have a more ethically pioneering mentality and are unafraid to be who they are even at the cost of personal loss.

I suppose I've been kind of lucky...and have had a surrounding environment of situation and people that usually was able to handle my non-mainstream tendencies, particularly philosophically and romantically.


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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 11:48:56 AM   
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I dont get what the "big sacrifice" you have made???... esp after you admittedly compromised your beliefs.  Would you sacrifice your life for what you believe?  It really doesnt sound like it. 

Tell ya what lets do.  Let me put your ass on a plane knowing you will not see your loved ones for a year or more.  Then put you in a mud hole to sleep in.  Then once the sun comes out its 115 deg but its a dry heat.....For grinz wear body armor  cuz some MF er is trying to put a round in your ass.

Repeat every couple of years.  So dont even freaking talk to me about your sacrifices.  You don't know the meaning of the word.... 

You ppl that whine cuz your a self describe "freak" and life is so hard sicken me.  Watch your friend die cuz he was protecting you...Take off his belt and wrap it around what is left of his leg so he doesnt bleed out, comfort him while your waiting for a chopper to air lift him out of harms way.  Meanwhile the rest of the MF ers that shot him are STILL shooting at you.  And then come to me and tell me how fucking hard life is for you.

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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 11:53:35 AM   
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BadOne...thank you for your service. But yanno...sacrifices come in many different forms.

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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 12:05:47 PM   
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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 12:09:13 PM   
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Gotta love people who use their military service to substantiate their credibility (normally in lieu of other ways of doing so), even when the references to it are completely irrelevant to the topics being discussed.

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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 12:15:41 PM   
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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 12:38:33 PM   
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The OP was about how she had to "compromise and sacrifice" cuz she is a self proclaimed freak.   Believe it or not there actually are ppl that cowboy up.  They don't compromise their beliefs they will literally take a bullet before they comprise.

It sounds like a few of the posters could benefit from some military exp as they teach honor and integrity. 

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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 1:08:44 PM   
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It sounds like a few of the posters could benefit from some military exp as they teach honor and integrity. 

The "honor and integrity" of flaunting the consequences of one's own decision(s) publicly in order to berate another's life difficulties?


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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 1:28:11 PM   
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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 1:31:07 PM   
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Gotta love people who use their military service to substantiate their credibility (normally in lieu of other ways of doing so), even when the references to it are completely irrelevant to the topics being discussed.
i really didn't see him doing that at all.


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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 2:23:33 PM   
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It sounds like a few of the posters could benefit from some military exp as they teach honor and integrity. 

The "honor and integrity" of flaunting the consequences of one's own decision(s) publicly in order to berate another's life difficulties?



I really have to wonder, according to SailngBum's post, what that makes me when my love for life is so great that it morally and psychologically prevents me from ever having the desire to serve my country in a military fashion? Yet I know without a doubt that I will sacrifice my life protecting my hearth and ones I hold dear.
*sigh* guess that still makes me very unpatriotic...I just don't know.


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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 2:32:26 PM   
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You ppl that whine cuz your a self describe "freak" and life is so hard sicken me.  Watch your friend die cuz he was protecting you...Take off his belt and wrap it around what is left of his leg so he doesnt bleed out, comfort him while your waiting for a chopper to air lift him out of harms way.  Meanwhile the rest of the MF ers that shot him are STILL shooting at you.  And then come to me and tell me how fucking hard life is for you.



Okay, point taken, but what about all those journalists and photographers who are also in the same places and conflicts without 'mates' and the weaponry but who are also being shot at but who still manage to get all the information and footage together and edited in time for the next news bulletin?


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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 5:42:22 PM   
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I'm not sure that a pissing contest about the worst human experiences possible is particularly relevant to this thread, or worthwhile in itself - war wins such a contest hands down every time. But in determining that outcome, one has to refer to the circumstances set out by SB and consider what it is about war that makes it the ultimate in suffering, not to mention sacrifice and compromise which are universal human factors and active too in situations of armed conflict.

What it comes down to is the degree of psychological and physical discomfort, which in war anywhere on or near the frontline is found in its epitome, and adjustment to them. One can only truly adjust to circumstances as one experiences them and thank goodness most of us have never and inshallah shall never have to adjust to the experience of war. But for those who have it becomes ridiculous and selfish to hear about the comparatively tiny problems that others have, which are irrelevant when contrasted with frontline experience. Yet for those suffering from those apparently tiny problems, who lack the experience of problems far more extensive and imminent as in war, we must remember that for them those problems are serious and even life threatening in one or more ways. And whilst it is true that perspective might induce a sense of comparison, it is often perspective that is absent or defective when minds are overwhelmed by what remain problems - and particularly as here, problems which have the potential or definite probability of personal destruction by way of social exclusion; something which for military personnel who have been in combat together is usually an unknown phenomenon, but which is very real as Stella has indicated.

The problem for some of us is that if we force ourselves to be normal we shall die from within, self harm to cope and harm those we love, whilst if we choose to do what we know is right for us we shall become abnormal, outsiders who may be harmed or killed from without, including by those we love who shall either way be hurt. In many ways this is alike to a combat situation, with stakes alike characterised by potential death and definite suffering, and compromises alike as to losses incurred in order to minimise the damage and casualties.

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RE: Worth my while to be "a freak" - 2/19/2010 5:56:30 PM   
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this from a man who has an anteater cussin'?

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