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There are however tons of other possibilities that are just as much that..possibilities.

Occam's Razor says Daddy is an abusive piece of shit, though.  That's what I'm going with.

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Most of us can remember the "good old days". Though whether the "good old days" ever actually existed I not so sure.

Kids have always been regarded as a pain in the arse since the dawn of time. They frequently get up to some sort of mischief. Grown-ups aren't always much better.

I can't really comment about what went on between your neighbour Roy and the local kids (teenage boys). After all, I wasn't there.

That said, I've dealt with similar situations. Having a bit of tact generally works, "look lads, please... " etc. etc. generally results in "okay mister" and off they go to play elsewhere.

There's an art to handling kids and people in general. It's called respect. Go in all guns blazing and people are likely to return fire.

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Yesterday I was talking with my neighbour Roy who was upset that the local kids (teenage boys) kept coming and kicking each others' balls near his kitchen window. When he came out to 'sort them out' one of the youths pulled out a cellphone and threatened to call the police. This incensed Roy, who is older, in his sixties, born and bred in South London, and we had a conversation on how things had changed.

Which indeed they have. I can always remember that specific way my parents had of communicating with me.

I'd say something like, 'Can I go out and play on my bike?'

'WHAT? BIKE? I'LL GIVE YOU BIKE!!' (But I've got a bike)

Or it'd be something like 'There's a concert in town tonight, and do you mind..?'

'WHAT? CONCERT? I'LL CONCERT YOU ROUND THE EAR'OLE!!'

Or my father would ask 'Do you want a good hiding?' What if I'd have turned round one day and said 'Yes please.'?

Things were different back then. I'd remember getting up for school. 'You're late for school!' Wallop! Wallop!

Then when you're on your way to school there'd be the kids from the other school nearby. 'Why look who it is..' Wallop! Wallop!

Then when you get to school there'd be a teacher at the entrance. 'You're late! Get to your class immediately.' Wallop!

You'd be standing there in assembly, singing something like 'All things bright and beautiful' and you'd shuffle your feet or scratch your nose and out of nowhere there'd be a teacher 'Stop fidgetting!' Wallop!

Then you'd be in a lesson and you'd have to hand in your homework. And your homework just had to be that sheet of paper which fell out into the mud when you got attacked on your way to school. 'What is this?' the teacher would demand.  Wallop!

Then it'd get to dinner time and you'd be there in the queue with everyone else all pushing and shoving, and there'd be a dinner lady with a big ladle yelling 'Be quiet!' Whack! Whack!

It wasn't just me, it happened to everyone. It was the sort of district and school where the English teacher would ask 'What comes at the end of a sentence?' Some kid would call out 'My Dad gets parole and he comes home.' And we'd all laugh and the teacher would be there. Wallop! Wallop!

You'd be on your way home from school, and there'd be the kids from the nearby estate. 'Why look who it is..' Wallop! Wallop!

You'd get home and your mother would say 'Where've you been? Have you been fighting again?' Wallop! Wallop!

'Just wait till your father gets home.'

And he did. And he'd say 'What have you been told about behaving yourself?' Wallop! Wallop!

And people wonder why I turned out to be a submissive.

How have things since changed you were younger? Anything you remember or miss? Anything similar to the above?

Or would you have preferred to be a teenager nowadays?

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Yeah, some years ago, I was doing some grocery shopping and passed the candy isle.  There sat a UM, looked to be maybe 5 or 6, sitting on the floor just opening bags of candy(usually to a great deal of mess) and eating maybe one or two, and throwing the rest down on the floor.  The mother, standing over the male UM, tears in her eyes, PLEADING with the UM.   "PLEASE stop that, Please come with me, please, please, please, please."

The um just looks up, at which the mother shrinks back, and screams "SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU STUPID BITCH CUNT!"  and continues to open bags of candy.  I had to walk away before grabbing him and turning him over my knee and getting myself into bigger trouble than the kid already was, who obviously didn't care about being in trouble.

Just one more reason I don't want any UM's of my own.

You dont want ums of your own because you dont have the strength to parent? Bottom line is to control your kids. Some are too weak and lazy to. Its easier to give in. I remind myself that I am trying to raise a conscientious and productive citizen.

Sometimes its really the parents that need the spanking.

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Yeah, some years ago, I was doing some grocery shopping and passed the candy isle.  There sat a UM, looked to be maybe 5 or 6, sitting on the floor just opening bags of candy(usually to a great deal of mess) and eating maybe one or two, and throwing the rest down on the floor.  The mother, standing over the male UM, tears in her eyes, PLEADING with the UM.   "PLEASE stop that, Please come with me, please, please, please, please."

The um just looks up, at which the mother shrinks back, and screams "SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU STUPID BITCH CUNT!"  and continues to open bags of candy.  I had to walk away before grabbing him and turning him over my knee and getting myself into bigger trouble than the kid already was, who obviously didn't care about being in trouble.

Just one more reason I don't want any UM's of my own.

You dont want ums of your own because you dont have the strength to parent? Bottom line is to control your kids. Some are too weak and lazy to. Its easier to give in. I remind myself that I am trying to raise a conscientious and productive citizen.

Sometimes its really the parents that need the spanking.

It also can be a case where wulfgraw is also mature enough to fully understand that he may not want that huge responsibility of raising offspring (presuming here)? At least that is the prime reason why I never had any desire to procreate and it took me many many years to finally understand why. many people are willing to take on that responsibility, yet I don't; have enough with maintaining a home, making sure I am keeping my nose clean and being a production member of society. Some see my reasons as being weak - I see it as being responsible enough to know what I am able to take on and what I am not.

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Go talk to people who deal with spousal abuse and learn something, if you're capable of seeing past your own issues. A 5 year old child doesn't learn those words on Sesame Street.

Yeah but it's not automatically the fathers fault. Pay attention to what you say.

True and its not always a woman that the abused. But if the mom is standing there helpless, weak and crying. Its doubtful shes the one whos yelling "stupid cunt".

Evidently you were posting this while I was typing..It is a possibility although I agree it's doubtful..There are however tons of other possibilities that are just as much that..possibilities.

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Yeah, some years ago, I was doing some grocery shopping and passed the candy isle.  There sat a UM, looked to be maybe 5 or 6, sitting on the floor just opening bags of candy(usually to a great deal of mess) and eating maybe one or two, and throwing the rest down on the floor.  The mother, standing over the male UM, tears in her eyes, PLEADING with the UM.   "PLEASE stop that, Please come with me, please, please, please, please."

The um just looks up, at which the mother shrinks back, and screams "SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU STUPID BITCH CUNT!"  and continues to open bags of candy.  I had to walk away before grabbing him and turning him over my knee and getting myself into bigger trouble than the kid already was, who obviously didn't care about being in trouble.

Just one more reason I don't want any UM's of my own.

You dont want ums of your own because you dont have the strength to parent? Bottom line is to control your kids. Some are too weak and lazy to. Its easier to give in. I remind myself that I am trying to raise a conscientious and productive citizen.

Sometimes its really the parents that need the spanking.

It also can be a case where wulfgraw is also mature enough to fully understand that he may not want that huge responsibility of raising offspring (presuming here)? At least that is the prime reason why I never had any desire to procreate and it took me many many years to finally understand why. many people are willing to take on that responsibility, yet I don't; have enough with maintaining a home, making sure I am keeping my nose clean and being a production member of society. Some see my reasons as being weak - I see it as being responsible enough to know what I am able to take on and what I am not.

I agree.

When I was younger it was pushed on me that it was the "normal" thing to do. Get married, have kids buy a house. Now your an upstanding citizen!

I don't have kids and I'm glad I don't. I bet there isn't a handful of people who could tell you why they want kids on a personal level that I would believe. I know why I would but it's a scientific reason and isn't a good enough reason for me. :> I prefer my life just the way it is and I have tons of responsibilities.

Besides they've all but outlawed the best part..The beatings!

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I don't have kids and I'm glad I don't. I bet there isn't a handful of people who could tell you why they want kids on a personal level that I would believe. I know why I would but it's a scientific reason and isn't a good enough reason for me. :> I prefer my life just the way it is and I have tons of responsibilities.

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There are however tons of other possibilities that are just as much that..possibilities.

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Nothing has changed.

What HAS changed, though, is how this behaviour is dealt with.  There seem to be fewer consequences for misbehaviour from all levels of authority - from my experience, parents tend to just LET their children run rampant, and teachers are no longer allowed to instill discipline or to punish students for bad behaviour.

Actions that may once have been met with negative consequences (a simple example - handing in an assignment late at school) have absolutely no consequences now at all (teachers - at least in the school board in my area - are not allowed to deduct marks from late assignments).

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Or my father would ask 'Do you want a good hiding?' What if I'd have turned round one day and said 'Yes please.'?