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flcouple2009 -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/14/2010 8:57:47 AM)

You so funny Wilbur.  Do you actually have a point?  Let's take your premise as truth.  You can be very successful pandering to a small group, as long as you can reach them.

Why don't you comment on Beck actually having to fess up to the fact that he makes stuff up.  The video is easy enough to find it you don't trust me.  It is what they all do on FOX News.  They all say whatever they can get away with that they believe their audience wants to hear.  They count on you being so blindly ignorant that you will just believe it because it is what you want to hear.

Here's the problem, much of the far right is happy to just believe whatever they hear as long as it is from a source they approve of.  Much of the far left won't listen to anything and run around in circles all trying to do their own thing.  It is a shame that the middle is such a scary place to both of them.




Musicmystery -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/14/2010 9:09:53 AM)


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In BOTH instances, all of this only considers people who gather news by watching television.





Uhhh, yes, it is a poll about people who regularly watch TV news, which includes Fox's audience, an outlet claimed to pander only to those who's beliefs they support. Whats your point?



Gosh, if explaining that segregating only TV news viewers is a poor sample of where people look for reliable and complete information is absent a point, then there's probably nothing gained in explaining it to you.

Kind of like comparing Marvel, DC, and Disney comics to see where people turn for better literature.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/14/2010 9:30:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

In BOTH instances, all of this only considers people who gather news by watching television.





Uhhh, yes, it is a poll about people who regularly watch TV news, which includes Fox's audience, an outlet claimed to pander only to those who's beliefs they support. Whats your point?



Gosh, if explaining that segregating only TV news viewers is a poor sample of where people look for reliable and complete information is absent a point, then there's probably nothing gained in explaining it to you.

Kind of like comparing Marvel, DC, and Disney comics to see where people turn for better literature.


since your point has absolutely nothing to do with mine you shouldnt have bothered explaining it.




StrangerThan -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/14/2010 10:16:35 AM)

If it is demonstrable that most news outlets have a bias, then it is logical to assume that those who frequent the individual outlets do so because they're wanting to be fed that particular slant.

That makes fox viewers nothing special in the world except the slant they prefer is conservative, no dumber, no smarter, nothing cause right across the aisle are those who prefer liberal slants clinging to bias on the other side.

It's such a stupid argument.




Brain -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/14/2010 11:03:00 AM)

I think they’re trying to send a message they don’t like what they have said and they don’t agree with it. Nobody is trying to shut Fox News down. I think things would get boring if they were shut down.

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Its a desperate and an insecure mindset which feels the need to shut down opposition voices, isn't it.


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I wonder if these boycotts will accomplish anything. I don’t see Fox News changing but these companies sales might improve.

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Thadius -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/14/2010 5:38:37 PM)


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Well the problem is Fox News only broadcasts news during the time slots to nearly guarantee no one will be watching.  All their other programming is Opinion and Commentary where they have no obligation to be "fair and balanced".  Then they supposedly compete with actual news stations.  Their ratings should be measured against other Opinion channels like Trinity Broadcasting. 


You mean like the 3 or more hours of opinion based broadcasting on MSNBC during prime time?
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AnimusRex -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/14/2010 5:59:24 PM)

FWIW-
I think Fox News is as deceptive as it is annoying in its role as the Pravda of the Republican Party, but I don't support any boycott.

Mockery and fact-checking seem a better way to go.




eyesopened -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/14/2010 6:45:15 PM)

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Well the problem is Fox News only broadcasts news during the time slots to nearly guarantee no one will be watching.  All their other programming is Opinion and Commentary where they have no obligation to be "fair and balanced".  Then they supposedly compete with actual news stations.  Their ratings should be measured against other Opinion channels like Trinity Broadcasting. 


You mean like the 3 or more hours of opinion based broadcasting on MSNBC during prime time?
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Wow only three hours?  Unlike the 18 hours of Opinion programming on Fox News?  Sure, why not? 




Musicmystery -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/14/2010 10:17:51 PM)

Wouldn't it be faster if people thought for themselves?




thishereboi -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/15/2010 7:09:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Well the problem is Fox News only broadcasts news during the time slots to nearly guarantee no one will be watching.  All their other programming is Opinion and Commentary where they have no obligation to be "fair and balanced".  Then they supposedly compete with actual news stations.  Their ratings should be measured against other Opinion channels like Trinity Broadcasting. 


You mean like the 3 or more hours of opinion based broadcasting on MSNBC during prime time?
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Wow only three hours?  Unlike the 18 hours of Opinion programming on Fox News?  Sure, why not? 



fox has 18 hours of opinion during prime time? Just what do you consider "prime time"?




eyesopened -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/15/2010 5:08:08 PM)

FNN broadcasts news from 9am until 3pm Eastern.  All the rest of the time is Opinion programming.  Regardless of what hours you call prime time you can be assured Fox is not broadcasting news.




Thadius -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/15/2010 5:10:54 PM)


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FNN broadcasts news from 9am until 3pm Eastern.  All the rest of the time is Opinion programming.  Regardless of what hours you call prime time you can be assured Fox is not broadcasting news.

Using your criterion, how much news does MSNBC broadcast? Or perhaps more telling how much of it is opinion?




eyesopened -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/16/2010 3:05:16 AM)

Don't know about MSNBC, I never watch them.  There are a lot of other choices for watching news.




samboct -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/16/2010 6:13:25 AM)

Like many things about our government today-the failure of the FCC to regulate can be traced back to Reagan's mantra that "government is always the problem."  Prior to Reagan, the FCC had a responsibility to police the airwaves and to make certain that stations broadcasting aired opposing viewpoints.  In other words, you could have some imbecile like Glenn Beck on, you just had to balance it with I don't know- a Kate Sawyer?  (I don't watch TV news- my news seems to come from this board and the NY Times and Science magazine- I think I have a warped view of the world.)  This would prevent some of what's happened today, the partisanship in US politics because people don't even have to listen and aren't cognizant of the opposing viewpoint.  Oh, there have been vitriolic debates in the past because the news always has a slant, but perhaps the debates were more informed?  It's one thing to disagree on the interpretation of events, its another to deny their existence. 

Can anyone point to a concrete difference between Fox news and one of Julius Streicher's rags of the third Reich?  Because as far as I can tell, they're both propaganda masquerading as news with heavy support by the wealthy.

In terms of Stranger Than's comment that liberal and conservative viewpoints have the same IQ..  Well, probably not true.  The smartest profession I know of are scientists (I'm a dumb one.) and their politics is heavily tilted liberal- I think the distribution  (from Science magazine) is 85/15.  Note that these numbers don't include engineers and are largely made up of Ph.D.s.  So the popular perception that eggheads are liberals has a vein of truth to it.

In terms of Sanity's viewpoint-excuse me?  Corporations don't respond to the threat of jail readily, they just lawyer up.  If you want to hurt a corporation, hit them in their bottom line.  I can't stand Walmart for a variety of reasons ranging from labor practices to the shoddy goods they sell.  My solution- don't walk through their front doors.  When enough people do this- it has an effect.  Exxon needed an ad campaign to deal with the fallout from the Valdez, and did their business ever fully recover?  How about Nestle being tagged as a baby poisoner?  The biggest problem with the boycott is that its not targeted enough.  Pick the major  three or four advertisers on Fox Propaganda network, picket them, take out ads in other places and make sure that they are highly visible.  Laundry lists of too many advertisers doesn't do anything the threat is too diffuse.


Sam




Sanity -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/16/2010 6:42:39 AM)


When your ideology is reduced to trying to get the government to force others to air your talking points for you, your cause is probably a lost one. And as far as having the FCC regulate what goes over the air at FOX NEWS, good luck with that - because FOX NEWS doesn't go out over the airways.

Its a CABLE network.  [sm=doh.gif]


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ORIGINAL: samboct

Like many things about our government today-the failure of the FCC to regulate can be traced back to Reagan's mantra that "government is always the problem."  Prior to Reagan, the FCC had a responsibility to police the airwaves and to make certain that stations broadcasting aired opposing viewpoints.  In other words, you could have some imbecile like Glenn Beck on, you just had to balance it with I don't know- a Kate Sawyer?  (I don't watch TV news- my news seems to come from this board and the NY Times and Science magazine- I think I have a warped view of the world.)  This would prevent some of what's happened today, the partisanship in US politics because people don't even have to listen and aren't cognizant of the opposing viewpoint.  Oh, there have been vitriolic debates in the past because the news always has a slant, but perhaps the debates were more informed?  It's one thing to disagree on the interpretation of events, its another to deny their existence. 

Can anyone point to a concrete difference between Fox news and one of Julius Streicher's rags of the third Reich?  Because as far as I can tell, they're both propaganda masquerading as news with heavy support by the wealthy.

In terms of Stranger Than's comment that liberal and conservative viewpoints have the same IQ..  Well, probably not true.  The smartest profession I know of are scientists (I'm a dumb one.) and their politics is heavily tilted liberal- I think the distribution  (from Science magazine) is 85/15.  Note that these numbers don't include engineers and are largely made up of Ph.D.s.  So the popular perception that eggheads are liberals has a vein of truth to it.

In terms of Sanity's viewpoint-excuse me?  Corporations don't respond to the threat of jail readily, they just lawyer up.  If you want to hurt a corporation, hit them in their bottom line.  I can't stand Walmart for a variety of reasons ranging from labor practices to the shoddy goods they sell.  My solution- don't walk through their front doors.  When enough people do this- it has an effect.  Exxon needed an ad campaign to deal with the fallout from the Valdez, and did their business ever fully recover?  How about Nestle being tagged as a baby poisoner?  The biggest problem with the boycott is that its not targeted enough.  Pick the major  three or four advertisers on Fox Propaganda network, picket them, take out ads in other places and make sure that they are highly visible.  Laundry lists of too many advertisers doesn't do anything the threat is too diffuse.


Sam





samboct -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/16/2010 8:59:01 AM)

"When your ideology is reduced to trying to get the government to force others to air your talking points for you, your cause is probably a lost one."

History's a fickle bitch- especially when she's not on your side.  The deal from the 1920s involved radio and the patent office.  There were thousands of patents involving radio broadcasts- it was a nightmare.  There was a Supreme Court decision that RCA (pretty sure it was RCA) would develop the technology, but had to license it out for a modest fee., thereby invalidating the patent mess.  To make sure that everyone had access to the airwaves- that was the start of the FCC.

We've had plenty of examples of late of the neocon refusal to learn the lessons of history, so like the stupid kid who doesn't do his homework, we're staying back and learning them all over again.  There were reasons for the banking regulations that were in place- witness the financial implosion.

The purpose of government is to govern- to come up with rules that we can all play by.  When you begin tossing out laws that were passed by intelligent men with good reasons behind them- because you were too stupid to figure out why they were there in the first place- you wind up with calamities-very preventable calamities.  But like Albert Einstein said- the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.

Since Fox Propaganda goes out over local stations and via satellite- I suspect that the FCC's mandate applies.


Sam




Sanity -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/16/2010 12:02:07 PM)


Lets say you get your perfect little Libtard world. Will you really be happy when televangelists come on just prior to "The Science Guy" Bill Nye? or when Glenn Beck is carried on NPR as well as CBS and NBC?

And will your dream of governmental control of broadcast speech extend to the Internet? Much of the Internet is broadcast via satelites as well. So would collarme have to share its website with the Vatican?

Be careful what you ask for there, Homer.


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"When your ideology is reduced to trying to get the government to force others to air your talking points for you, your cause is probably a lost one."

History's a fickle bitch- especially when she's not on your side.  The deal from the 1920s involved radio and the patent office.  There were thousands of patents involving radio broadcasts- it was a nightmare.  There was a Supreme Court decision that RCA (pretty sure it was RCA) would develop the technology, but had to license it out for a modest fee., thereby invalidating the patent mess.  To make sure that everyone had access to the airwaves- that was the start of the FCC.

We've had plenty of examples of late of the neocon refusal to learn the lessons of history, so like the stupid kid who doesn't do his homework, we're staying back and learning them all over again.  There were reasons for the banking regulations that were in place- witness the financial implosion.

The purpose of government is to govern- to come up with rules that we can all play by.  When you begin tossing out laws that were passed by intelligent men with good reasons behind them- because you were too stupid to figure out why they were there in the first place- you wind up with calamities-very preventable calamities.  But like Albert Einstein said- the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.

Since Fox Propaganda goes out over local stations and via satellite- I suspect that the FCC's mandate applies.


Sam





mnottertail -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/16/2010 12:12:36 PM)

well, the trouble once again is that your analogies suck, Tom.

Firing Line with William F Buckley was carried (and only carried) by NPB. Then again, PeeWee's playhouse wasn't carried by Fox, and nothing on Fox could approach even that level of intelligence, so I can see why.


Me? I don't give a fiddlers fuck about Fox or Msnbc or CNN or much else, although I would go CNN if I had to pick one of the three.........

NPR, NPB and BBC are where I get my 'hot media' news.


Ron

Ron




rulemylife -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/16/2010 12:50:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

If it is demonstrable that most news outlets have a bias, then it is logical to assume that those who frequent the individual outlets do so because they're wanting to be fed that particular slant.

That makes fox viewers nothing special in the world except the slant they prefer is conservative, no dumber, no smarter, nothing cause right across the aisle are those who prefer liberal slants clinging to bias on the other side.

It's such a stupid argument.



You said it best in a previous post on this thread:

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

News outlets don't have to be pointedly biased to be biased. They can do that simply by the stories they choose to cover.


Which I agree with, but if you want to label CNN or the nightly news networks as biased it is a subtle bias, likely unintentional.

If you look at Fox it is a pointed bias.  Their news stories and especially their commentaries do not make the slightest attempt to disguise that.

As far as it being a stupid argument, I'm a little curious how you feel qualified to comment on this thread at all when you have said previously you do not watch any news network except for occasional glimpses of CNN when you are passing through an airport.








samboct -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/16/2010 2:32:23 PM)

"Will you really be happy when televangelists come on just prior to "The Science Guy" Bill Nye? or when Glenn Beck is carried on NPR as well as CBS and NBC?"

Actually- yeah come to think of it.  You think a televangelist won't look rather ridiculous compared to a science guy?  And I suspect Glenn Beck will come off as the fiction spouting blowhard that he really is.  Both of your examples are wonderful- the problem we've got in this country is that too many people are too lazy to use their brain.  The question "why" is perhaps the most powerful question on the planet- and neither televangelists or Glenn Beck have very good answers.

And since when is the internet a broadcast?  The idea behind regulating the airwaves was that they weren't infinite- nor was their practical two way communication.  The only thing that remotely comes close on the 'net is spam....

Sam




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