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samboct -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/17/2010 11:23:43 AM)

"So now you are equating Fox News to Goebbel? Fox is far from the only game in town, there are definitely alternatives to their broadcasts, and the government isn't determining who and what each of us is forced to watch, HUGE DIFFERENCE."

Actually, another major difference is Goebbels described what he did as propaganda, whereas Fox masquerades as news.

If you're a believer in "free market" i.e. unregulated capitalism (careful on the definition of free market- may not mean what you think it does.)- you get Walmart. If you're a believer in a "free press" i.e. unregulated corporate entities- you get Fox news.

I'm not an advocate of gov't censorship and telling us what we can and can't watch. I am an advocate of making certain that there is a working free market for the press, rather than an oligopoly with an 800 lb gorilla having control of the right. A desire for a level playing field is not tantamount to a call for censorship, much as you seem to believe.


Sam




Thadius -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/17/2010 11:38:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: samboct

"So now you are equating Fox News to Goebbel? Fox is far from the only game in town, there are definitely alternatives to their broadcasts, and the government isn't determining who and what each of us is forced to watch, HUGE DIFFERENCE."

Actually, another major difference is Goebbels described what he did as propaganda, whereas Fox masquerades as news.

If you're a believer in "free market" i.e. unregulated capitalism (careful on the definition of free market- may not mean what you think it does.)- you get Walmart. If you're a believer in a "free press" i.e. unregulated corporate entities- you get Fox news.

I'm not an advocate of gov't censorship and telling us what we can and can't watch. I am an advocate of making certain that there is a working free market for the press, rather than an oligopoly with an 800 lb gorilla having control of the right. A desire for a level playing field is not tantamount to a call for censorship, much as you seem to believe.


Sam


So how does one create a "level playing field" without somebody choosing what is or is not allowed to be broadcast in the name of fairness? Do we go to an NPR or PBS model, which is arguably just as slanted to one side as Fox news is? I know you aren't suggesting a system like they have in Iran.

I suggest that with the Internet many things have been equalized (or as equal as they can get without censorship). Anybody can find anything on any subject, regardless of personal bias. I try to trust in the intelligence of the common person to be able to figure out what makes sense and what doesn't. Sure there are those that believe whatever they hear or read, but does that make it the job of government to police the free speech (press) of whatever outlet so that suckers aren't fooled? I think not.




samboct -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/17/2010 11:53:33 AM)

"Sure there are those that believe whatever they hear or read, but does that make it the job of government to police the free speech (press) of whatever outlet so that suckers aren't fooled? I think not. "

So if you buy milk that's contaminated with strontium-90- that's not the government's job to protect you? How about toys manufactured in China that claim that they have no lead in their paint but do? Why not just let people sell snake oil to cure cancer?

Capitalism breaks down if there is not a certain amount of truth in the description and pricing of goods that are bought and sold. Unregulated capitalism winds up as a South American democracy or as a medieval fiefdom with serfs in thrall to their owners. Why should Fox be allowed to use deceptive sales and marketing practices claiming that their propaganda or opinion is masquerading as fact? Shouldn't they have to play by the same rules as other companies doing business in the US?


Sam




Thadius -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/17/2010 12:01:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: samboct

"Sure there are those that believe whatever they hear or read, but does that make it the job of government to police the free speech (press) of whatever outlet so that suckers aren't fooled? I think not. "

So if you buy milk that's contaminated with strontium-90- that's not the government's job to protect you? How about toys manufactured in China that claim that they have no lead in their paint but do? Why not just let people sell snake oil to cure cancer?

Capitalism breaks down if there is not a certain amount of truth in the description and pricing of goods that are bought and sold. Unregulated capitalism winds up as a South American democracy or as a medieval fiefdom with serfs in thrall to their owners. Why should Fox be allowed to use deceptive sales and marketing practices claiming that their propaganda or opinion is masquerading as fact? Shouldn't they have to play by the same rules as other companies doing business in the US?


Sam

Your hypotheticals are moot to this debate and are completely different issues.

You mean they have different rules than say MSNBC or CBS? I don't remember seeing an outcry from your side of this debate when CBS tried to pass off forged documents in a "newscast".

Again, I am asking what your solution to this is. You seem to want to avoid that very simple question. Oh and will the folks that oversee this industry be political appointees or elected bureaucrats?




samboct -> RE: Fox News Boycott responses (2/17/2010 12:24:59 PM)

My solution is simple- break up the media conglomerates. TV stations should not be able to own newspapers- enforce anti trust rulings so that no single corporation controls over a third (may need some juggling here) of the media in any single area. If necessary, provide tax breaks to create independent news organizations. Some rebuilding of a news infrastructure is needed. Probably involves denial of broadcast licenses to stations which do not offer news services with opposing viewpoints. like it's supposed to work for politics in this country- equal time for candidates. There should not be a "democratic station" and a "republican station.- or they lose their broadcast license.

Sam




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