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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/16/2010 3:38:29 PM   
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"Will you really be happy when televangelists come on just prior to "The Science Guy" Bill Nye? or when Glenn Beck is carried on NPR as well as CBS and NBC?"

Actually- yeah come to think of it.  You think a televangelist won't look rather ridiculous compared to a science guy?  And I suspect Glenn Beck will come off as the fiction spouting blowhard that he really is.  Both of your examples are wonderful- the problem we've got in this country is that too many people are too lazy to use their brain.  The question "why" is perhaps the most powerful question on the planet- and neither televangelists or Glenn Beck have very good answers.

And since when is the internet a broadcast?  The idea behind regulating the airwaves was that they weren't infinite- nor was their practical two way communication.  The only thing that remotely comes close on the 'net is spam....

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So your answer to folks not using their brains is to have the government act as their brains? Cool, I have these great visions of the same sort of media control as in 1984.

Well besides all of the folks that are using 3G networks now, receiving their internet via sat download, and using wi-fi hotspots, absolutely none of it is broadcast over the airwaves...

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/16/2010 4:14:35 PM   
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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/16/2010 4:39:37 PM   
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If it is demonstrable that most news outlets have a bias, then it is logical to assume that those who frequent the individual outlets do so because they're wanting to be fed that particular slant.

That makes fox viewers nothing special in the world except the slant they prefer is conservative, no dumber, no smarter, nothing cause right across the aisle are those who prefer liberal slants clinging to bias on the other side.

It's such a stupid argument.



You said it best in a previous post on this thread:

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News outlets don't have to be pointedly biased to be biased. They can do that simply by the stories they choose to cover.


Which I agree with, but if you want to label CNN or the nightly news networks as biased it is a subtle bias, likely unintentional.

If you look at Fox it is a pointed bias.  Their news stories and especially their commentaries do not make the slightest attempt to disguise that.

As far as it being a stupid argument, I'm a little curious how you feel qualified to comment on this thread at all when you have said previously you do not watch any news network except for occasional glimpses of CNN when you are passing through an airport.



I don't know that I am qualified rule. I think if I appreciated anything about fox, it would be what you noted above. Pointedly biased. I wouldn't have to guess if I were to turn on one of their opinion pieces. I'd know what I was getting myself into. I'd rather have that, than news and opinion that where I had to deal with the insidiously subtle. Why I think it is rather ridiculous to argue about it is because they're all biased to a degree. If I watch one over the other, it's because I'm listening to bias I want to hear, and accusing someone else of doing it on the other side is just silly.

People can't tell me that the big three along with MSBNC aren't biased because I used to watch the news for that very reason. I absolutely could not stand GWB, and I got my ration of bias from the likes of CBS, NBC, and I think, to a lesser degree ABC. Maybe that's because I just liked Peter Jennings though. The thought of Fox news was enough to make me want to barf.

If anything, Obama is probably what made me rethink that position. Not because he's black, but because of that message of change. Well, change ain't going to happen with the current political structure. Neither party can affect real change, partly because of the other party, partly because they are both in bed with their fringes, partly because of the incessant need to raise money for political purposes.

So if it takes a rival news organization with a pointed message to stir folks up, I'm all for it. I posted a thread yesterday on where it all leads. Sometimes I think like Panda does and think where it leads is to blood in the streets. Sometimes I think maybe, just maybe a viable third party will emerge that has no interest in satisfying any fringe. Sometimes I am absolutely amazed at the hatred both sides have for each other and wonder if even a viable alternative would really make any difference. What I do believe, and what a lot of people are feeling, is that it is time for real change. All the democratic and republican bickering has led us to where we are. Both parties are responsible, and neither has the answer for the country. Hell, I'm beginning to wonder if there IS an answer for the country as a whole. Fuck, we accept the constant bickering, in fighting, lying, and corruption as a way of life now.

Shrug. None of that makes me any more qualified than anyone else. When it comes to news bias though, I know where I went for mine when Bush was in office. You can tell me it ain't so all day long but I know what I did, and somewhere along the line, realized it.

So yeah, I think it's a stupid argument.


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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/16/2010 8:40:33 PM   
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When your ideology is reduced to trying to get the government to force others to air your talking points for you, your cause is probably a lost one. And as far as having the FCC regulate what goes over the air at FOX NEWS, good luck with that - because FOX NEWS doesn't go out over the airways.


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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/16/2010 8:46:04 PM   
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And Keith Obermann is an Obama crotch puppet.

So whats your point?


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Fox News, headed up by Roger Ailes (past chair of the RNC), gets RNC talking points every day, just like the talk radio stations.

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When your ideology is reduced to trying to get the government to force others to air your talking points for you, your cause is probably a lost one. And as far as having the FCC regulate what goes over the air at FOX NEWS, good luck with that - because FOX NEWS doesn't go out over the airways.




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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/16/2010 8:58:00 PM   
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I've seen no Fox news, what does it look like ?

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I am with you, I don't watch or read or listen to any of the 'talking heads.'

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/16/2010 9:55:24 PM   
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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 6:41:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		"So your answer to folks not using their brains is to have the government act as their brains? Cool, I have these great visions of the same sort of media control as in 1984."

No-the purpose of the gov't in this case is to make certain that broadcasters clearly distinguish between propaganda and news.  In the Third Reich- people over time began believing Goebbel's propaganda because it was the only game in town.   Polls taken in 1933 showed that people distrusted Nazi BS- but after a decade, the rates of believability increased.  Thus,  a steady diet of propaganda breaks down your critical faculties.   While you seem to be concerned about future brain washing- I'm concerned with the level of distortion being broadcast now.  The reality is that we have far fewer viewpoints now than we did a century ago, when a city like New York had 2 dozen newspapers.  We may have more ways of accessing the "news" today, but there are far fewer corporations controlling its dissemination- and corporations censor to make certain that their advertisers are not offended.

Well besides all of the folks that are using 3G networks now, receiving their internet via sat download, and using wi-fi hotspots, absolutely none of it is broadcast over the airwaves...

The FCC tends not to bother with stuff on the airwaves under a watt figuring that its not long range.  Remember that the idea of a broadcast was to reach lots of people at the same time.  A hot spot doesn't exactly do that.  Yes, the technology has changed.  Unfortunately, the need for the FCC hasn't- but like many gov't agencies, its done a really, really bad job as of late.


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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 7:06:00 AM   
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No, Keith is fair and balanced and unafraid. He's objective.


And you called me brainwashed?

Olbermann attacks conservatives 8 times more than liberals, yeah there are actually studies that go through all of those transcripts.

He is about as center of the road as Rachel Maddow.

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 7:17:45 AM   
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"So your answer to folks not using their brains is to have the government act as their brains? Cool, I have these great visions of the same sort of media control as in 1984."

No-the purpose of the gov't in this case is to make certain that broadcasters clearly distinguish between propaganda and news.  In the Third Reich- people over time began believing Goebbel's propaganda because it was the only game in town.   Polls taken in 1933 showed that people distrusted Nazi BS- but after a decade, the rates of believability increased.  Thus,  a steady diet of propaganda breaks down your critical faculties.   While you seem to be concerned about future brain washing- I'm concerned with the level of distortion being broadcast now.  The reality is that we have far fewer viewpoints now than we did a century ago, when a city like New York had 2 dozen newspapers.  We may have more ways of accessing the "news" today, but there are far fewer corporations controlling its dissemination- and corporations censor to make certain that their advertisers are not offended.

Well besides all of the folks that are using 3G networks now, receiving their internet via sat download, and using wi-fi hotspots, absolutely none of it is broadcast over the airwaves...

The FCC tends not to bother with stuff on the airwaves under a watt figuring that its not long range.  Remember that the idea of a broadcast was to reach lots of people at the same time.  A hot spot doesn't exactly do that.  Yes, the technology has changed.  Unfortunately, the need for the FCC hasn't- but like many gov't agencies, its done a really, really bad job as of late.


Sam


So now you are equating Fox News to Goebbel? Fox is far from the only game in town, there are definitely alternatives to their broadcasts, and the government isn't determining who and what each of us is forced to watch, HUGE DIFFERENCE. That being said, there is something to be noted in the fact that people are choosing to watch Fox, and or listen to talk radio. Why is it that almost all of the the liberal leaning mass media outlets (Air America, MSNBC, etc...) seem to be falling down? It must be some sort of subliminal message that is broadcast. I appreciate the fact that you dislike Fox for whatever reasons you have, that is your right, however don't assume that the rest of the folks in this world are too stupid to know the truth because they disagree with that viewpoint.

You made a claim earlier that Fox only broadcasts news from 9am - 3pm, and that the rest of their broadcast day was opinion based broadcasting, care to back that up with some sort of proof? How about looking at their competition and what is broadcast on their airwaves (or through the wire).

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 7:18:29 AM   
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People have developed odd notions of centrist--count the attacks to either side. Geez. An equal opportunity whiner.

Whatever happened to analysis? All the time is spent on reactions to opinions.


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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 7:20:32 AM   
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People have developed odd notions of centrist--count the attacks to either side. Geez. An equal opportunity whiner.

Whatever happened to analysis? All the time is spent on reactions to opinions.



Exactly. Which is why the fairness doctrine should remain off the books. People will vote on what they like and approve of with their remotes or the flick of a dial.

Simple as that.

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 7:23:48 AM   
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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 7:26:45 AM   
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Why do private businesses play Fox on their staff cafeteria televisions, and why do the executives of these companies instruct their staff not to change the channel?

Personal choice? Who knows. You know like that evil muzak shit they play in elevators. Would you prefer NPR or MSNBC?

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 7:29:34 AM   
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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 7:34:51 AM   
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Polls taken in 1933 showed that people distrusted Nazi BS- but after a decade, the rates of believability increased. 




I can just imagine the polling process.

"Hello there citizen.  I'm from the government.  You know, the same goverment that at the slightest hint of dissent smashes into people's homes at the midnight hour and drags them and their entire familes away to be tortured and killed while friends and neighbors never see or hear of them again?  Yes, that government.  Anyway, I'd like to ask you a question, do you approve or disapprove of the governments polcies?"

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 8:04:20 AM   
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Foxnews is an entertainment channel. That's why they are rated #1. What's disturbing is how its viewers regard the programming as "news."

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 8:05:28 AM   
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Foxnews is an entertainment channel. That's why they are rated #1. What's disturbing is how its viewers regard the programming as "news."


What do you classify MSNBC as?

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 9:46:00 AM   
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Foxnews is an entertainment channel. That's why they are rated #1. What's disturbing is how its viewers regard the programming as "news."


What do you classify MSNBC as?


I don't watch TV news. I go mostly with Books, Newspapers, magazines, and reviews. I can't stomach the 24 hours news cycle.

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RE: Fox News Boycott responses - 2/17/2010 9:47:08 AM   
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Foxnews is an entertainment channel. That's why they are rated #1. What's disturbing is how its viewers regard the programming as "news."


What do you classify MSNBC as?


I don't watch TV news. I go mostly with Books, Newspapers, magazines, and reviews. I can't stomach the 24 hours news cycle.

So your opinion is based on hearsay, thanks for clarifying.

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