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End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 11:32:11 AM

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A new poll shows that by a 50-44 majority, most American would support ending the filibuster that Republicans are using to obstruct progress.

The filibuster used to be a rare occurance, but is now used on every single bill and appointment in Congress. The filibuster does not occur in the Constitution, and is a simple Senate rule.

Removing it would allow Congress to pass health care reform, immigration reform, banking reform, among other things. However, it could also be a double edged sowrd next time the Democrats are in the minority.

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 12:40:37 PM

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I don't support ending the filibuster. However what is going on in the Senate isn't filibuster but simply teh threat of such. What's going on is debate on a bill doesn't start until they have enough votes on cloture to limit debate. Otherwise each senator is allowed to speak as long as they can hold the floor which is what a filibuster really is.

If Reid had a spine he'd simply schedule the debates and let the GOP try to filibuster. IIRC Thurmond managed just over 1 day.

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 1:08:32 PM

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This isn't a new critter. Republicans talked about eliminating it under Bush.

I didn't support it then. I don't now.

Only an idiot would. It may serve the purpose now, but try, do try to look to the future when the "other" side just might be in power.

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 1:12:07 PM

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A new poll shows that by a 50-44 majority, most American would support ending the filibuster that Republicans are using to obstruct progress.

The filibuster used to be a rare occurrence, but is now used on every single bill and appointment in Congress. The filibuster does not occur in the Constitution, and is a simple Senate rule.

Removing it would allow Congress to pass health care reform, immigration reform, banking reform, among other things. However, it could also be a double edged sword next time the Democrats are in the minority.

Not if Ted Kennedy were still alive. He'd just change the rules on the fly to suit his side of the aisle.

I don't support ending filibuster but I do support going back to way the way it was originally done. Reading the phone book or whatever. None of this "I filibuster" and that's that. Make them work for it if they want to filibuster.

As you so deftly noted in your last sentence people better be very careful what they wish for.

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 1:17:02 PM

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If Reid had a spine he'd simply schedule the debates and let the GOP try to filibuster. IIRC Thurmond managed just over 1 day.

"In the modern filibuster, the senators trying to block a vote do not have to hold the floor and continue to speak as long as there is a quorum. In the past, when one senator became exhausted, another would need to take over to continue the filibuster. Ultimately, the filibuster could be exhausted by a majority who would even sleep in cots outside the Senate Chamber to exhaust the filibusterers. Today, the minority just advises the majority leader that the filibuster is on. All debate on the bill is stopped until either cloture is voted by three-fifths (now 60 votes) of the Senate. Some modern Senate critics have called for a return to the old dramatic endurance contest but that would inconvenience all senators who would have to stay in session 24/7 until the filibuster is broken."

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 1:26:18 PM

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Sounds like a prime example of Dem/Lib short sighted stupidity to me. Go for it, and your tears will be so sweet when the Repubs get any sort of majority back. It seems like they were pretty big fans of the filibuster when it was their only tool against Bush II before the '06 election...

Another example of this short-sighted stupidity is directly responsible for the Dems losing the 60 seat majority they had not so long ago. If the Mass. Dems hadn't decided to change the rules for replacing a Senator back in '04, for the sake of their own petty partisanship, Kennedy's successor would have been appointed, instead of there even being an election for Brown to win.

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 1:28:29 PM

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Let's end stupid posts like this one first

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 1:35:25 PM

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This isn't a new critter. Republicans talked about eliminating it under Bush.

I didn't support it then. I don't now.

Only an idiot would. It may serve the purpose now, but try, do try to look to the future when the "other" side just might be in power.

Bingo! That is what I have been thinking.
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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 3:16:18 PM

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If the Democrats end the filibuster and pass all those reforms Democrats won’t be in the minority for 25 years. And if the Republicans reverse these reforms after they are passed by Democrats Republicans won’t be in the majority again for 50 years.

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

A new poll shows that by a 50-44 majority, most American would support ending the filibuster that Republicans are using to obstruct progress.

The filibuster used to be a rare occurance, but is now used on every single bill and appointment in Congress. The filibuster does not occur in the Constitution, and is a simple Senate rule.

Removing it would allow Congress to pass health care reform, immigration reform, banking reform, among other things. However, it could also be a double edged sowrd next time the Democrats are in the minority.

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 3:23:42 PM

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Let's end stupid posts like this one first

Please tell me you meant thread...altho, im optimistic, maybe you were being self deprecating

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 4:40:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

If the Democrats end the filibuster and pass all those reforms Democrats won’t be in the minority for 25 years. And if the Republicans reverse these reforms after they are passed by Democrats Republicans won’t be in the majority again for 50 years.

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

A new poll shows that by a 50-44 majority, most American would support ending the filibuster that Republicans are using to obstruct progress.

The filibuster used to be a rare occurance, but is now used on every single bill and appointment in Congress. The filibuster does not occur in the Constitution, and is a simple Senate rule.

Removing it would allow Congress to pass health care reform, immigration reform, banking reform, among other things. However, it could also be a double edged sowrd next time the Democrats are in the minority.

Odd how comments sometimes conjure things totally off topic.

But that one does.

I could while away the hours, conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain.
And my head I'd be scratchin' while
my thoughts were busy hatchin'

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RE: End the filibuster? - 2/14/2010 4:54:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

If the Democrats end the filibuster and pass all those reforms Democrats won’t be in the minority for 25 years. And if the Republicans reverse these reforms after they are passed by Democrats Republicans won’t be in the majority again for 50 years.

quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

A new poll shows that by a 50-44 majority, most American would support ending the filibuster that Republicans are using to obstruct progress.

The filibuster used to be a rare occurance, but is now used on every single bill and appointment in Congress. The filibuster does not occur in the Constitution, and is a simple Senate rule.

Removing it would allow Congress to pass health care reform, immigration reform, banking reform, among other things. However, it could also be a double edged sowrd next time the Democrats are in the minority.

Odd how comments sometimes conjure things totally off topic.

But that one does.

I could while away the hours, conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain.
And my head I'd be scratchin' while
my thoughts were busy hatchin'