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Texas challenging EPA's greenhouse gas finding

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DALLAS – Texas became the first state to challenge the federal government's finding that greenhouse gases are dangerous to people, claiming Tuesday that the ruling is based on flawed science and would wreck the state's economy.

The EPA in December issued an "endangerment" finding about carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, setting the stage for future rules restricting such emissions.

Texas — which leads the nation in greenhouse gas emissions and is frequently at odds with the EPA — is asking a federal appeals court to review the endangerment finding. The state also asked the EPA to reconsider it.

"The EPA's misguided plan paints a big target on the backs of Texas agriculture and energy producers and the hundreds of thousands of Texans they employ," Gov. Rick Perry said. "This legal action is being taken to protect the Texas economy and the jobs that go with it, as well as defend Texas' freedom to continue our successful environmental strategies free from federal overreach."

Al Armendariz, the EPA's regional director over Texas, said the agency is confident the finding will withstand any legal action. He also said the move isn't surprising considering Texas' pattern of opposition to the EPA.

"Texas, which contributes up to 35 percent of the greenhouse gases emitted by industrial sources in the United States, should be leading the way in this effort," he said. "Instead, Texas officials are attempting to slow progress with unnecessary litigation."

EPA spokesman Brendan Gilfillan said it's the first legal challenge by a state, though industry groups have also challenged it.

Texas says the EPA's research should be discounted because it was conducted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which shared the Nobel Peace Prize with former Vice President Al Gore in 2007 for its work on climate change but has since been embarrassed by errors and irregularities in its reports.

"With billions of dollars at stake, EPA outsourced the scientific basis for its greenhouse gas regulation to a scandal-plagued international organization that cannot be considered objective or trustworthy," said Attorney General Greg Abbott.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Go ask the folks still buried in DC and Philly what they think of global warming. Be careful though, you might get hit in the head with a snow shovel..

People in DC are educated enough to know that climatologists have been warning us for years that with global warming will come more frequent storms and flooding (i.e., precipitation events). THAT, btw, is one of the reasons the term "climate change" is now used by scientists. It's not just a matter of rising temperatures. You evaporate more water, it's got to come down somewhere.

The really sad thing is that while most 8-year-olds intuitively grasp a distinction between temperature and precipitation, conservative politicians and denialists seem to be having trouble grasping this one lately.

Climate change is now used by AGW zealots because their models didnt do shit to predict anything accurately, so they covered their asses. I could have predicted in high school that there are going to periods where there are more frequent storms or less frequent storms over the next 40 years. Its called nature.

No. Climatologists always said AGW would result in more chaotic weather in the short term. That means some places will get more winter weather including snow.

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Anyone here ever hear of el nino ? It is a warming of the Pacific Ocean and is responsible for more precipitation in some parts of the world, and colder temps in other parts. We are in the midst of el nino right now. Vancouver is warmer this year because of it. It is not man made and has always been a part of world wide climate change. It also has nothing to do with global warming.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You guys are in the wrong thread.

You belong here. I think.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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Didn't Al Gore just announce that global warming is worse than we thought?

It kind of reminded me of that old line "Nevermind, that man behind the curtain."

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Funny, I've been hearing that AGW would result in chaotic weather for better than a decade. A quick google search shows plenty of mentions as far back as google indexes news stories.

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**Fast Reply**

Didn't Al Gore just announce that global warming is worse than we thought?

It kind of reminded me of that old line "Nevermind, that man behind the curtain."

One problem...Gore is correct.

You are you also failing to recognize and understand the science in these extraordinary snowfalls ? ALL precipitation now is subject to record falls and has a great chance to get even worse in many areas because the atmosphere is warmer and holding more moisture.

Simple earth science man.

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Funny, I've been hearing that AGW would result in chaotic weather for better than a decade. A quick google search shows plenty of mentions as far back as google indexes news stories.

Is "better than a decade" the same as "always"? They didnt start that bullshit until their models proved to be such poor predictors, and given the East Anglia emails, until they realized that even their data wasn't going to support their claims.

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People have only been talking about AGW for about 15 years.