Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year

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Marini -> Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 8:29:12 PM)
Happy Valentine's Day Everyone. 1,500 inmates were released from county jails around California, in recent weeks. They will be able to enjoy Valentine's Day outside of the county jail! California is beginning to cut the state's prison population. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation last year, to reduce the state prison population, due to the state's financial crisis. The bad news is LA County has refused to release any inmates under the new law. LA County requires that inmates serve at least 80% of their sentence, and are refusing to change their requirements at this time. Well, California has figured out a way to save money! Over 1,500 California jail inmates released in recent weeks;

TheHeretic -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 8:34:29 PM)
Did you hear about the released inmate who tried to rape a woman less than 12 hours after he got out, Mia? This is nothing to celebrate.

Marini -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 8:37:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Did you hear about the released inmate who tried to rape a woman less than 12 hours after he got out, Mia? This is nothing to celebrate. The prisoner in question was mentally ill, I wonder how many people in prison are mentally ill? Sacto 9-1-1: Inmate released early is arrested in rape attempt I did not say I was celebrating Rich, I am saying it is newsworthy information. The inmates that were released are the ones celebrating. Aren't these inmates being monitored after they are released? I thought the inmates released early had "only" committed very minor offenses. That is a tough one Rich, I am glad they caught the perpetrator. Over 1,500 California jail inmates released in recent weeks; judge blocks Sacramento County program [Updated] \| L.A. NOW \| Lo...

AnimusRex -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 9:00:25 PM)
If I was Governor.....I might commute the sentences of people in prison for drug offenses, as a first step in reducing the prison overpopulation. Then again, if I was Governor, I would revoke most of the drug laws anyway.

EbonyWood -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 9:08:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnimusRex If I was Governor.....I might commute the sentences of people in prison for drug offenses, as a first step in reducing the prison overpopulation. Then again, if I was Governor, I would revoke most of the drug laws anyway. And pwomise to neffa neffa neffa make anudder moooffee?

AnimusRex -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 9:12:51 PM)
Now that Dwayne Johnson has taken Ahnolds gig from Kindergarten Cop, and "Terminator 5- Viva Viagra" doesn't seem to be getting much traction....not to worry.

Marini -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 9:13:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Did you hear about the released inmate who tried to rape a woman less than 12 hours after he got out, Mia? This is nothing to celebrate. I read the link I posted about the inmate that attempted to rape the woman and held her captive against her will. You know what the saddest thing is Rich? He was let out only 16 days early! Do you think keeping him in jail 16 more days would have made a difference? The man is mentally ill, he needs to be in a mental institution anyway.

EbonyWood -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 9:22:53 PM)
Anyone have stats on how many LESS rapes there were in prison since? I'm presuming less, unless there was some celebratory assraping from the cons grateful for more mashed potato and toilet paper.

TheHeretic -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 9:43:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Aren't these inmates being monitored after they are released? I thought the inmates released early had "only" committed very minor offenses. That is a tough one Rich, I am glad they caught the perpetrator. There is going to be a lot of spin on this, Mia. I would not be surprised to see it as a leading issue in the race for Governor, here At the same time the state is causing these criminals to be dumped back onto our streets, they are also slashing the services, most definitely including mental health services, that will be available to them. I have heard that there are going to be significant cuts and changes to the state parole system as well. That would be the same parole system that never looked in Phil Garrido's back yard, back when the state HAD money. Understand something, my friend. California is an extremely liberal, touchy-feely, fix it with a hug, sort of place (at least in the population centers - there are some mean fucking conservatives out in the deserts [;)]). Treatment and community service are the path for petty, non-violent offenders. With exceptions, of course, we mostly don't lock people in jail unless they have been really bad. County jails are full of violent criminals who got a good plea deal. We also have a population larger than Canada. These inmates are being dumped on the streets, without supervision, without services, and in an economy where there aren't any jobs. It's not a good thing.

Marini -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 9:49:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Aren't these inmates being monitored after they are released? I thought the inmates released early had "only" committed very minor offenses. That is a tough one Rich, I am glad they caught the perpetrator. There is going to be a lot of spin on this, Mia. I would not be surprised to see it as a leading issue in the race for Governor, here At the same time the state is causing these criminals to be dumped back onto our streets, they are also slashing the services, most definitely including mental health services, that will be available to them. I have heard that there are going to be significant cuts and changes to the state parole system as well. That would be the same parole system that never looked in Phil Garrido's back yard, back when the state HAD money. Understand something, my friend. California is an extremely liberal, touchy-feely, fix it with a hug, sort of place (at least in the population centers - there are some mean fucking conservatives out in the deserts [;)]). Treatment and community service are the path for petty, non-violent offenders. With exceptions, of course, we mostly don't lock people in jail unless they have been really bad. County jails are full of violent criminals who got a good plea deal. We also have a population larger than Canada. These inmates are being dumped on the streets, without supervision, without services, and in an economy where there aren't any jobs. It's not a good thing. Rich, the manner in which they are being released has a lot to do with the problem. It actually sounds horrific, to me. Even the most deserving of the inmates that are released should not be dumped on the streets with no supervision, no services and probably limited job skills. At first, I thought they would at least be provided housing in group homes, with supervision, and some sort of job placement assistance. If this is one of the waves of the future, we are in bad shape. I tell you what Rich, they are cutting money wherever they can these days. If the school system has to deal with budget cuts, than I am sure the county jails will be cutting costs also. The early release program will save the state of CA about 1 billion dollars. California Inmate Plan Draws Ire - WSJ.com

Termyn8or -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/14/2010 10:33:09 PM)
FR If this country knew and applied the real definition of the word crime, this would not be a problem in the first place. But I can't change it and neither can you. All we can do is not get caught. T

servantforuse -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/15/2010 5:06:13 AM)
Any savings seen by the states prisons will soon be offset by increased costs incurred by law enforcement overtime and court costs for those who will be arrested once again. This is a terrible idea...

eyesopened -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/15/2010 5:18:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini The prisoner in question was mentally ill, I wonder how many people in prison are mentally ill? http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/crcl/vol41_2/fellner.pdf There are more than 200,000—perhaps as many as 300,000—men and women in U.S. jails and prisons suffering from mental disorders, including such serious illnesses as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depression. The proportion of prisoners with mental illness is increasing. The high number and growing proportion of persons with mental illness in U.S. prisons are unintended and tragic consequences of inadequate community mental health services combined with punitive criminal justice policies. Numerous studies and surveys have documented this rise in the incarceration of the mentally ill. The Bureau of Justice Statistics estimates that sixteen percent of adult inmates in state prisons and local jails are mentally ill. There are three times as many mentally ill people in prisons than in mental health hospitals, and the rate of mental illness in prisons is two to four times greater than in the general public.

thornhappy -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/15/2010 5:33:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Understand something, my friend. California is an extremely liberal, touchy-feely, fix it with a hug, sort of place (at least in the population centers - there are some mean fucking conservatives out in the deserts [;)]). You forgot Orange County and San Diego County. edited to add: The lack of mental health services in the US is a travesty, and the prisons are being used as de facto mental institutions, with few, if any, treatment options within the prisons. In Ohio some of the first services to be cut are for mental health services and MR-DD support services.

pahunkboy -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/15/2010 6:15:08 AM)
well - one of them now lives next door and was beating his wife the other night. (maybe not early release- but ...) I heard the broke states try to house the prisoners in other states. so who knows.

Thadius -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/15/2010 10:54:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Aren't these inmates being monitored after they are released? I thought the inmates released early had "only" committed very minor offenses. That is a tough one Rich, I am glad they caught the perpetrator. There is going to be a lot of spin on this, Mia. I would not be surprised to see it as a leading issue in the race for Governor, here At the same time the state is causing these criminals to be dumped back onto our streets, they are also slashing the services, most definitely including mental health services, that will be available to them. I have heard that there are going to be significant cuts and changes to the state parole system as well. That would be the same parole system that never looked in Phil Garrido's back yard, back when the state HAD money. Understand something, my friend. California is an extremely liberal, touchy-feely, fix it with a hug, sort of place (at least in the population centers - there are some mean fucking conservatives out in the deserts [;)]). Treatment and community service are the path for petty, non-violent offenders. With exceptions, of course, we mostly don't lock people in jail unless they have been really bad. County jails are full of violent criminals who got a good plea deal. We also have a population larger than Canada. These inmates are being dumped on the streets, without supervision, without services, and in an economy where there aren't any jobs. It's not a good thing. From a cynical and perhaps a bit tongue in cheek view, what better way to boost arrest numbers and conviction numbers for the up coming election cycle than to have a whole slew of folks you know to keep an eye on... Just sayin.

Jack45 -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/15/2010 2:39:50 PM)
Every state will have to let thousands out of prison, no money, no room. Out on the streets. Cartels operate in places as far apart as Utah and West Virginia, DIVERSITY, I'm digging it. Enjoy!

servantforuse -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/15/2010 2:42:21 PM)
Local, state and federal law enforcement officers will have to arrest many of them once again, costing all of us more money than it would cost to just leave them where they are.

mnottertail -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/15/2010 2:45:52 PM)
well, how you gonna pay for this tough on crime stuff? You want to raise taxes dont you and all your buddies.

Marini -> RE: Out for V-Day! 1,500 Inmates Released, 6,500 by end of the year (2/15/2010 4:05:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened quote: ORIGINAL: Marini The prisoner in question was mentally ill, I wonder how many people in prison are mentally ill? http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/crcl/vol41_2/fellner.pdf There are more than 200,000—perhaps as many as 300,000—men and women in U.S. jails and prisons suffering from mental disorders, including such serious illnesses as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depression. The proportion of prisoners with mental illness is increasing. The high number and growing proportion of persons with mental illness in U.S. prisons are unintended and tragic consequences of inadequate community mental health services combined with punitive criminal justice policies. Numerous studies and surveys have documented this rise in the incarceration of the mentally ill. The Bureau of Justice Statistics estimates that sixteen percent of adult inmates in state prisons and local jails are mentally ill. There are three times as many mentally ill people in prisons than in mental health hospitals, and the rate of mental illness in prisons is two to four times greater than in the general public. Thanks for the data, EyesOpened. With so many in prisons that are mentally ill and not receiving treatment for it, how can we expect them to function "normally" when they are released? Oh well, maybe a few of them will get some treatment when released, time will tell.

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