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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/16/2010 10:39:17 PM   
Brain


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Status: offline 		Bullshit! That wasn't Carters fault. America was FULLY 100% addicted to foreign oil BEFORE Carter became president. Carter tried reduce the depensency through consevation and spending money to use more solar and wind. I'm afraid you are a hopelessly brainwashed rightwing Teaparty guy and I'm wasting my time. Not that you'll believe anything I show you:



Carter Tried To Stop Bush's Energy Disasters - 28 Years Ago

by Thom Hartmann

Consider President Jimmy Carter's April 18, 1977 speech. Since it was given nearly three decades ago, when many of the reporters in Bush's White House were children, it's understandable that they don't remember it. But it's inexcusable that Bush and the mainstream media (which, after all, has the ability to do research) would completely ignore it. It was the speech that established the strategic petroleum reserve, birthed the modern solar power industry, led to the insulation of millions of American homes, and established America's first national energy policy. "With the exception of preventing war," said Jimmy Carter, a man of peace, "this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes."

He added: "It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century. "We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0503-22.htm

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/16/2010 10:44:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		AND I FORGOT,REAGAN WAS AN OLD F'ING FART WHO reversed all the good energy policy things Carter did.

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/16/2010 11:44:05 PM   
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I blame Carter for all of these problems. Without him there would have been no Reagan, and the neocons would have no hero.

If I could only find that damned time machine.

What we can 'blame' Carter for is being in office during a 2nd Arab oil embargo he never caused or sought, the overthrow of the ruthless Shah of Iran he didn't put into power and the hostage taking inspired for merely supporting Israel.

Inflation he didn't create, a prime rate from the great federal reserve of 12% resulting in a prime commercial rate of 17% that he didn't ask for and actually getting Pershing II intermediate range nuclear missiles installed on the ground in Europe...the single most significant military tactical success of the cold war and was the real beginning of its end.

Otherwise, blame Nixon for Watergate and his admin.'s surrounding  corruption, for the aborted presidency of Gerald Ford (our last conservative pres. who vetoed every spending bill) and the ensuing election of Carter.

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 6:46:25 AM   
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Bullshit! That wasn't Carters fault. America was FULLY 100% addicted to foreign oil BEFORE Carter became president. Carter tried reduce the depensency through consevation and spending money to use more solar and wind. I'm afraid you are a hopelessly brainwashed rightwing Teaparty guy and I'm wasting my time. Not that you'll believe anything I show you:



Carter Tried To Stop Bush's Energy Disasters - 28 Years Ago

by Thom Hartmann

Consider President Jimmy Carter's April 18, 1977 speech. Since it was given nearly three decades ago, when many of the reporters in Bush's White House were children, it's understandable that they don't remember it. But it's inexcusable that Bush and the mainstream media (which, after all, has the ability to do research) would completely ignore it. It was the speech that established the strategic petroleum reserve, birthed the modern solar power industry, led to the insulation of millions of American homes, and established America's first national energy policy. "With the exception of preventing war," said Jimmy Carter, a man of peace, "this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes."

He added: "It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century. "We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0503-22.htm


I'm the brainwashed one in this thread? Interesting.

From all of the threads I have seen you post, I have yet to see one that wasn't spoonfed talking points from the left. Obviously you missed the point of my comment, so let me try to clarify it a bit for you. I continue to see the blame game played around here, it was so and so's fault, which leads to but that policy and or problem started under so and so, which leads to but it was the policies prior to so and so that made that policy necessary, and so on and so on...

The problem is nobody wants to focus on taking care of these problems now, it's always pass the buck and do just enough to look like they are keeping busy. The partisan gridlock is what we have to show for the last 40 or 50 years, with neither side wanting to admit that the other side might have a decent idea for solving problems. There has been hardly a politician to go to Washington in a long while that is willing to let the other side get credit for anything, except a negative.

Can you give credit to any Repubs for something they have done positively for the country since you have been born? See my point? Don't worry I challenge Repubs to do the same with Dems.

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 9:02:00 AM   
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The problem is nobody wants to focus on taking care of these problems now, it's always pass the buck and do just enough to look like they are keeping busy. The partisan gridlock is what we have to show for the last 40 or 50 years, with neither side wanting to admit that the other side might have a decent idea for solving problems. There has been hardly a politician to go to Washington in a long while that is willing to let the other side get credit for anything, except a negative.

Not to argue with the rest of your well made points, but hasn't the Kenyan just spent the last twelve months bending over backwards to try and do that and as good as being told to fuck off and die by the Republicans?

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 9:05:17 AM   
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The problem is nobody wants to focus on taking care of these problems now, it's always pass the buck and do just enough to look like they are keeping busy. The partisan gridlock is what we have to show for the last 40 or 50 years, with neither side wanting to admit that the other side might have a decent idea for solving problems. There has been hardly a politician to go to Washington in a long while that is willing to let the other side get credit for anything, except a negative.

Not to argue with the rest of your well made points, but hasn't the Kenyan just spent the last twelve months bending over backwards to try and do that and as good as being told to fuck off and die by the Republicans?


What does Mwai Kibaki have to do with American politics or the Republicans? Or were you refering to another Kenyan?

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 9:08:48 AM   
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The problem is nobody wants to focus on taking care of these problems now, it's always pass the buck and do just enough to look like they are keeping busy. The partisan gridlock is what we have to show for the last 40 or 50 years, with neither side wanting to admit that the other side might have a decent idea for solving problems. There has been hardly a politician to go to Washington in a long while that is willing to let the other side get credit for anything, except a negative.

Not to argue with the rest of your well made points, but hasn't the Kenyan just spent the last twelve months bending over backwards to try and do that and as good as being told to fuck off and die by the Republicans?


What does Mwai Kibaki have to do with American politics or the Republicans? Or were you refering to another Kenyan?

You mean that Obama chap isn't Kenyan?

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 9:10:47 AM   
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The problem is nobody wants to focus on taking care of these problems now, it's always pass the buck and do just enough to look like they are keeping busy. The partisan gridlock is what we have to show for the last 40 or 50 years, with neither side wanting to admit that the other side might have a decent idea for solving problems. There has been hardly a politician to go to Washington in a long while that is willing to let the other side get credit for anything, except a negative.

Not to argue with the rest of your well made points, but hasn't the Kenyan just spent the last twelve months bending over backwards to try and do that and as good as being told to fuck off and die by the Republicans?


What does Mwai Kibaki have to do with American politics or the Republicans? Or were you refering to another Kenyan?

You mean that Obama chap isn't Kenyan?

As far as I knew he was American... Is there something I missed?

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 9:18:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		No worries: I'm just so fed up of this "Birther" drivel that I've started calling him the Kenyan.

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 9:23:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Besides, I saw the Grand Kenyan myself when I was in Arizona. Definitely from the U.S.

You can even ride donkeys down to the river.


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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 9:25:42 AM   
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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 9:42:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its simple. Conservatives don't have the wherewithal to cut either government programs or the military.

The single greatest driver of Federal Government expansion is war and the military, and you see spikes in growth for WWII, Vietnam, Reagan's cold war buildup, and then Bush's three (3) wars (terrorism, Afghanistan, and IRAQ.)

So, while conservatives have expanded gov't (Nixon, Reagan, & Bush) they have also cut taxes. Before Reagan, the US was the world's largest creditor nation. Afterwards, the US became the world's largest debtor nation.

Obama is now mirroring the policies established by Bush - Reagan.

In my view, when Communism fell, the Republicans became kind of lost needing another whipping boy, and Osama Bin Laden delivered them their next threat. As a party, the Republicans have never been interested in any kind of peace dividend, ever. They prefer war and a constant state of readiness for war. Such a policy costs billions of dollars each fiscal year.

They blunt popular attention away from their policies by bashing gays, toting gun rights, and promoting anti-abortion platforms. Because this works so well with the American public, they wield lot's of power in DC. Think about it: (1) two botched wars; (2) the Katrina fiasco; and (3) a financial meltdown -- and their base has yet to revolt or demand changes.

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 9:47:27 AM   
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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 10:23:50 AM   
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In my view, when Communism fell, the Republicans became kind of lost needing another whipping boy, and Osama Bin Laden delivered them their next threat. As a party, the Republicans have never been interested in any kind of peace dividend, ever. They prefer war and a constant state of readiness for war. Such a policy costs billions of dollars each fiscal year.

Interesting point, but you're probably onto something there. Remember how Bush spent his first year in office before the twin towers got knocked over almost begging China to start something?

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 10:29:54 AM   
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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 4:24:55 PM   
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Not to argue with the rest of your well made points, but hasn't the Kenyan just spent the last twelve months bending over backwards to try and do that and as good as being told to fuck off and die by the Republicans?


What does Mwai Kibaki have to do with American politics or the Republicans? Or were you refering to another Kenyan?


...joke aside, hasn't Moonhead made a good point? Obama has tried to be bipartisan in a way that we haven't seen in a few years, and all he's got from the Republicans is crap for it.

As the old saying goes, it takes two to tango......and it's the Republicans who wont dance.

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 4:39:44 PM   
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Not to argue with the rest of your well made points, but hasn't the Kenyan just spent the last twelve months bending over backwards to try and do that and as good as being told to fuck off and die by the Republicans?


What does Mwai Kibaki have to do with American politics or the Republicans? Or were you refering to another Kenyan?


...joke aside, hasn't Moonhead made a good point? Obama has tried to be bipartisan in a way that we haven't seen in a few years, and all he's got from the Republicans is crap for it.

As the old saying goes, it takes two to tango......and it's the Republicans who wont dance.


Oh I agree the Repubs have played their games as the minority, however to suggest that Obama has bent over backwards for 12 months to try and be bipartisan is a bit of a stretch. Now I am not even blaming the attempts at railroading things through Congress completely on Obama, as I know it is the leadership in both bodies that decides what and when things happen. If the President were interested in bipartisanship prior to the election of Sen Brown, he had a funny way of showing it. Do a search for unanswered letters from the minority, or go back through transcripts of speeches. Hell, the man even took a shot at the SCOTUS during the State of the Union address.

Both sides are guilty of the partisan duel that is going on, and a pox on both their houses. The responsibility still lies at the feet of the majority to get things done, as the minority cannot getting anything passed without the former's approval or compromise. Know what I mean?

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 7:42:41 PM   
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Fed any alligators lately?

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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 7:45:41 PM   
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Whats funny is all the Warriors I know, while prepared, would hope to never do it again.

Only those who have never seen action, crave it.


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RE: Why Do Conservatives Love to Bankrupt Us?? - 2/17/2010 7:53:10 PM   
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