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Pagan Offerings - 2/16/2010 12:03:10 AM   
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The concept of triple-god/desses is a common theme among the pagan religions and sects of spirituality. This concept is also used as an overlay to the phases of the life-cycle. It is also relevant to the roles within BDSM, to my observation.

Maiden / Hunter, a youth, a role of learning

And so it begins. We pledge ourselves to serve. With our whole selves we comitt upon a path. In this surrender to the unknown, we learn of pleasure and the pain. As a youth, we discover our own personal talents. Continuely, we will get knocked to the ground as we test our bounderies.


Mother / Warrior, an adult, a role defined by nuturing and protecting

Lessons are learned. Skills are perfected. And when we gain certainty in our own truths, we look to the great beyond. We bond with others, offering our abilities to the greater goal. In the name of balance, this requires give and take. In the communal exchanges of reward and sacrifice, further knowledge is gained.

Crone / Sage, an elder, a role of keeping wisdom and teaching

Though we are always learning, with time there comes familiarity to patterns. We expierience many cycles over and over again in our own lives and see them in the lives of others. We know when to lend advice, and when to stand aside.


Within the roles of D/s, the sub yields to the pleasure of the Dom/me. Within TPE, the sub yields everything that they are. BDSM needs balance, so it is not difficult to link it to many forms of spiritualties.

Now to the lighter stuff.

What has being pagan added to your life as a submissive or slave ?


i felt this post was best placed here as it holds a question to submissives and slaves, but i understand if it needs to be moved.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/16/2010 5:36:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		While I am not particularly pagan (and therefore cannot address this in substance) my games are. Pardon a light response... I did add a little substance... I think.

Hmm... Hunter, Warrior, Sage... How limited. :/ Where the heck is my favorite role? Guess I'll have to add it to the pantheon.

??? / Rogue, a role of crafty subterfuge, shadow-dancing, chameleon-like blending in, and tip-toeing through the tulips of life.

We make enthusiastic mistakes when it seems appropriate to do so. We perfect skills when or if there are opportunities that allow it (a good fist weapon doesn't drop into your [ahem!] every day, you know!). We share our accumulated knowlege only when there is a percieved gap or a need; otherwise we remain silent, observing, or maybe intentionally appearing stupid (as that allows us to learn). Maiden, Mother, Crone, three very limited roles all based on ovaries--which many of us no longer have. Bah! says the Rogue, all her life, to all three roles. She prefers, instead, an effortlessless switch into a thousand subservient roles, owning none and ruled only by what her lord(s) or lady(ies) demand of her at any given time.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/17/2010 1:22:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, a tad off target. Yet, the fault is mine, i think. Still, unique insight.
But i have to say, i did not mean for these roles to be based in anatomy. Childbirth does not a mother make. i was refering to roles of a person's spirit.

i was more or less going for 'how being pagan factors into a BDSM or D/s life' .


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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/17/2010 6:26:39 AM   
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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/17/2010 7:55:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		So are you saying that all roles of youth are submissive? Because I don't usually view warriors as submissive. Or mothers as all dominant. I'm not being snarky. I just don't see how any of these fit into bdsm categories. Would you explain further?

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/17/2010 8:28:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any of these roles could belong to a Master, Mistress, Dom/me, switch, sub, or slave.
A soul in a woman's body might take the path of warrior or mother, whichever is their calling to heed.

As for warriors, they fight in service of their communities, their families. They are either maintaining what is theirs', or conquering more to in turn protect. Some lead, some follow.

In my life, i have passed my time as a maiden. Though i have no offspring, my role in life is now to nurture. This comes through in the love and service in my life as a slave. This does not make me Master's mother, but i am still being true to an inner calling.

i hope this clears things up.


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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/17/2010 10:57:07 AM   
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Maiden / Hunter, a youth, a role of learning

Mother / Warrior, an adult, a role defined by nuturing and protecting

Crone / Sage, an elder, a role of keeping wisdom and teaching




Dungeons & Dragons - A game that should be restricted to 8th graders and under.





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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/17/2010 3:48:55 PM   
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Okay, a tad off target. Yet, the fault is mine, i think. Still, unique insight.
But i have to say, i did not mean for these roles to be based in anatomy. Childbirth does not a mother make. i was refering to roles of a person's spirit.

i was more or less going for 'how being pagan factors into a BDSM or D/s life' .



Yeah, I understand. I don't know much of anything about paganism so I missed that aspect. I just responded to what was there, in a (I hope) humorous way. Not being the replicating type (I decided "no kids!" when I was 9) I noticed that commonality. I hope you get some more serious answers. :)

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/17/2010 3:50:51 PM   
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So are you saying that all roles of youth are submissive? Because I don't usually view warriors as submissive. Or mothers as all dominant. I'm not being snarky. I just don't see how any of these fit into bdsm categories. Would you explain further?


I think she's talking about possible stages of submission, perhaps?

I personally bounce around among all three stages, never staying long in one, hence I tried to assign myself an alternate role.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/18/2010 10:11:45 AM   
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'how being pagan factors into a BDSM or D/s life' .



For Us, it doesn't explicitly.  i'm pagan, He is not.  i have avoided incorporating it as Sir is not Pagan and does not wish to participate in it. i think it would cross into murky ethical territory to do so without His knowledge or educated consent.
To be flippant, from His perspective i am allowed to "have the night off" on Sabbats and Esbats while He gets happily uninterrupted computer game/hanging with buddies/ watching terrifying horror movie time. 
In theory, i suppose that i'm serving Deity through the conscious exploration of my path in reference to the "all acts of love and pleasure" concept.
In practice, i do find that after being blissed-out during a scene i get inspired to create art or receive a bit of insight that could relate to my spirituality--but this could be achieved in a million and one ways and doesn't require BDSM acts to take place; it's a nice bonus which ZX doesn't mind.
i would like to hear more from people here who have incorporated neo-pagan/old way/nature religion concepts into their dynamics as i find this topic interesting. Thanks for starting the thread FelineFae. It might get more responses in the Poli "n" Religion threads perhaps?

Edit to fix messed-up quote box.


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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/18/2010 3:17:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		So if anybody can belong to any category, what is the correlation you see?
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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/18/2010 5:15:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Caringandreal and PetMonkey have the idea.

DesFIP, i will try again. The question does change a bit depending on who reads it.

example; As an 18 y/o pagan, how does submission meld into getting your adult life started ?

example; As a 34 y/o pagan, how does submission meld into your established life ?

example; As a 86 y/o pagan, how does submission meld into your established life ?

At any age, to any gender, what lessons do you feel transend between your spiritual path and your D/s life ?


example; i know a fair amount about herbs. It comes in handy if Master gets a cold. But then i also understand the limits of my knowledge, and when it's time to go the doctor's office.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/18/2010 5:27:32 PM   
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My walk as a pagan has been much longer then my walk in the D/s , M/s lifestyle, yet it seemed to help me grasp areas of my own submissiveness through my own eyes of a kitchen witch. Serving the Goddess/God completely, without seeking 'rewards' is a path i have been working/walking on through all the 3 phrases of the Goddess, and now i have reached the crone.  Difficulty with it came and went in different degrees all emphasing the need to  let go of the ego and following the path Goddess gave me. It is not an easy path but it has been the right one for me.   In my 'vanilla' marriage i served the marriage and husband as i now serve my Sir seeking to serve without rewards. It is important for me in this lifetime to do this. It has been a personal drive for me throughout the decades  and even more so now that i am living the crone stage.
Sir is Jewish and i am by birth.  He embraces all of who i am..the witch.
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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 6:27:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FelineFae

Maiden / Hunter, a youth, a role of learning

Mother / Warrior, an adult, a role defined by nuturing and protecting

Crone / Sage, an elder, a role of keeping wisdom and teaching




Dungeons & Dragons - A game that should be restricted to 8th graders and under.


I have to say that this reply is about as disrespectful as someone saying "Christianity - A religion for slaves and mental defectives" (which is how the Romans saw it originally, remember!)  It's also disrespectful to adult gamers, of whom there are many who are also kinky. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine.

I'm a heathen but I don't particularly find the Wiccan notion of the archetypal roles useful in categorizing my religious belief. That being said, religion is not something I do in church one day a week. It informs every aspect of my life, including sexuality. I think, whatever your religion, that learning to see and honor the divine in yourself as well as others is an incredible blessing.

On the other hand, psychologically, we all have within us animus and anima, and certainly as we progress through life we take on the aspects of our age archetypes also. I actually find considering Maiden/Mother/Crone to be helpful in coming to terms with my feelings about middle age, for example.

Psychology and kink are a very natural pairing, so these archetypes are one way a dominant can get inside your head. There's a lot of exploration of duality in kink - publicly the Virtuous Maiden but in the household the Promiscuous Slut, for example. And understanding and teasing at those inner archetypes are the bread-and-butter of the mind fuck.

For me, I honor my Lady as the earthly representation of "Goddess". She's the Warrior Maiden as a tai chi black belt. She is the Earth Mother when she's out with the tractor, putting down fertilizer in the fields and tending the horses. She's the Wise Woman when she's playing my body like an instrument, evoking JUST the response she wants.




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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 7:58:12 AM   
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For me, I honor my Lady as the earthly representation of "Goddess". She's the Warrior Maiden as a tai chi black belt. She is the Earth Mother when she's out with the tractor, putting down fertilizer in the fields and tending the horses. She's the Wise Woman when she's playing my body like an instrument, evoking JUST the response she wants.



This has to be one of the best examples of daily worship, pagan or not, I've read in a long time.  Your Lady is fortunate indeed.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 8:08:26 AM   
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For me, I honor my Lady as the earthly representation of "Goddess". She's the Warrior Maiden as a tai chi black belt. She is the Earth Mother when she's out with the tractor, putting down fertilizer in the fields and tending the horses. She's the Wise Woman when she's playing my body like an instrument, evoking JUST the response she wants.



This has to be one of the best examples of daily worship, pagan or not, I've read in a long time.  Your Lady is fortunate indeed.


Agreed !

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 1:02:54 PM   
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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 2:10:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Drifa

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Maiden / Hunter, a youth, a role of learning

Mother / Warrior, an adult, a role defined by nuturing and protecting

Crone / Sage, an elder, a role of keeping wisdom and teaching




Dungeons & Dragons - A game that should be restricted to 8th graders and under.


I have to say that this reply is about as disrespectful as someone saying "Christianity - A religion for slaves and mental defectives" (which is how the Romans saw it originally, remember!)  It's also disrespectful to adult gamers, of whom there are many who are also kinky. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine.



You're welcome to that opinion... but I think you missed (or chose to ignore) the wink () at the end of my post. Reply was not based on anyone's religious/non-religious beliefs... more on the MYTHICAL view many have of themselves as the "Hunter", "Warrior", "Sage", or whatever as they huddle around the coffee-pot Monday morning arguing about so-and-so who keeps borrowing their favorite stapler.  You want to view your partner as a GREAT PERSON?  Fantastic... most people view their partner that way.  But as some mythical "Warrior"?  Personally, I don't view that as religious-based. 

And as for "adult-gamers" who BELIEVE they are "Warriors" and such?  They need to put down the friggin' mouse/joystick already, be they of the 'nilla or kinky sort.  Wanna be a hero by "slaying a dragon"???  Go donate time to a homeless shelter, or volunteer at a children's hospital, or adopt/save an animal from a shelter that's on death-row... something where you'll be a REAL "hero"!!!  So umm... yeah... not my cup-of-tea.  Not in the least.




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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 4:24:02 PM   
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The topic is not about role playing games.
If you want to post about people that confuse fantasy and reality, there are other forums for that.
Thank you.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 4:25:22 PM   
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MasterSlaveLa,
The topic is not about role playing games.
If you want to post about people that confuse fantasy and reality, there are other forums for that.
Thank you.


She made a joke. The way you listed them did sound like something out of an RPG book. Relax.

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