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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 5:54:49 PM   
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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 8:02:07 PM   
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i am sorry for being so curt, i should have phrased it better.


Don't sweat it... as AquaticSub stated, my post was purely in jest.  



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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/19/2010 8:03:15 PM   
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I think you raise an interesting point. I don't know if paganism can be so directly correlated to D/s so much as both D/s and paganism embrace similar things.

As a nominal Catholic, I enjoy the many similarities between Catholicism and paganism. Unlike the more cerebral faiths, Catholicism embraces our natural side, having adopted (and co-opted) many of the earth-centered faiths along the way.
For example, we embrace the corpus, the physical body, in both the pleasure and pain of the flesh; the Lenten season is a time of inducing pain and sacrifice, understanding that hunger and want sharpen and help us share in the pain of separation from eternity.

Similiarly, D/s sees openly the natural interlocking dynamic of inequality; where one is controlled and dominted by another, yet brings a needed and critical aspect to balance out the relationship; Brother Sun, Sister Moon.

I think D/s and Earth-centered religions are informed by many similar impulses; emphasising our raw physical nature, instead of trying to conquer and transcend it.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 2/20/2010 5:21:27 AM   
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I kinda got your question but then the answers you received had me re-reading it. Nothing like others to make you doubt yourself, lol. but I can only say what I think you mean. Throughout my life both as pagan and catholic I always walked a double line inside myself. I learned early in life to adopt whatever role the person/situation I was in needed me to be. As a child I was subby by doing the whole "look but not talk". But then again I was running the streets when they weren't looking. As a mother, I lay down my life for those I love, usually getting walked over and hurt (not family)but then again I can fight and stand up for myself if I need to. Looking forward, I hope to be alone, wise, and at peace with the world, but I will still have to figure out a way to live in a commercial orientated world.

What I mean is that rather than being tied into one persona, one character...I-as a pagan-now feel most comfortable with all my selves. It has taught me to walk all paths and see things from all perspectives. But throughout my nature and my entire life, I can see the submissive side. Does that come from being a double cancer? Not sure but it pulls me there as genetics do. So yes, throughout all stages of life, I see the sub in me as being constant, just changing shape or rather...being flexible in the AMOUNT it is there. But it will never go away. Is that what you mean, it being there in every stage of your life and as your life circumstances change? Good luck!
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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/9/2010 6:36:21 PM   
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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/9/2010 8:00:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		These things are not only pagan in origin. The notion of archetypes, and polarity, paths and consciousness are evident in most philosophies, buddhism, taoism, shinto, hindi, mayanism etc, even if they are spoken about in different ways. I would have to say though that most westernized religions have mutated any sense of spirit, turning power focus outside the self.

D/s is your polarity in focus whether you're dom or sub, male or female, and whether or not you fully understand duality, polarity, archetypes and spiritual paths. It's there whether you are awake to it or not.

I'm not pagan, or a fan of any particular philosophy; but the fact they all contain these common factors makes them all worth exploring purely for the value in understanding energetic polarity. (not to mention using it)

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/9/2010 8:04:52 PM   
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Which points more towards human totalitarianism to me than anything divine.

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These things are not only pagan in origin. The notion of archetypes, and polarity, paths and consciousness are evident in most philosophies, buddhism, taoism, shinto, hindi, mayanism etc, even if they are spoken about in different ways. I would have to say though that most westernized religions have mutated any sense of spirit, turning power focus outside the self.

D/s is your polarity in focus whether you're dom or sub, male or female, and whether or not you fully understand duality, polarity, archetypes and spiritual paths. It's there whether you are awake to it or not.

I'm not pagan, or a fan of any particular philosophy; but the fact they all contain these common factors makes them all worth exploring purely for the value in understanding energetic polarity. (not to mention using it)



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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/9/2010 8:08:35 PM   
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I'm a follower of Christ, so can't help your journey in this case.
Interesting question though!


Ugh.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/9/2010 8:09:26 PM   
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But yes, it IS sacred, what I do. Pain and movement, music and dance, binding and sex, it all raises power. I'd be a fool not to manage it, at minimum;  not to use it, at best, with my bottom's consent to the work.



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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 5:44:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		My Pagan morals and ethics are applied to all aspects of my life. All people should be true to their basic operating system of religion which is compatable with society unless your one of the crazy fringe ones. It seems to me being a Dominant or submissive would not alter that.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 5:47:39 AM   
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This is why I never really understood or wanted to follow western religions in any way. They took all power away from the individual-leaving only the power to "obey or suffer"
Which points more towards human totalitarianism to me than anything divine.
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ORIGINAL: Nslavu
These things are not only pagan in origin. The notion of archetypes, and polarity, paths and consciousness are evident in most philosophies, buddhism, taoism, shinto, hindi, mayanism etc, even if they are spoken about in different ways. I would have to say though that most westernized religions have mutated any sense of spirit, turning power focus outside the self.
D/s is your polarity in focus whether you're dom or sub, male or female, and whether or not you fully understand duality, polarity, archetypes and spiritual paths. It's there whether you are awake to it or not.
I'm not pagan, or a fan of any particular philosophy; but the fact they all contain these common factors makes them all worth exploring purely for the value in understanding energetic polarity. (not to mention using it)



True; but even though the older/ancient philosophies (paganism, mayanism, buddhism etc) are better suited to self growth, they too have inherent flaws that defy this duality we exist in. They are however much better for understanding one's progress and giving one tools with which to operate. I am not denigrating xtianity (westernized) because even that is a path and choosing to immerse one's self in any path is worthy.

Any philosophy that espouses some sort of moral code in hard terms is contrary to absolute truth. I realize morality for what it is worth is a functional emotive director; but it it is unnecessary as hard line dogmatic guidance. Once you understand the nature of polarity and duality, it's pretty hard if not stupid to find your self on any sort of moral or immoral ground.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 5:51:18 AM   
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My Pagan morals and ethics are applied to all aspects of my life. All people should be true to their basic operating system of religion which is compatable with society unless your one of the crazy fringe ones. It seems to me being a Dominant or submissive would not alter that.


No, offense but even 'fringe' ones are paths. There can be no wrong in the rightness of any chosen path-or- there is both right/wrong in any path.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 6:15:37 AM   
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My Pagan morals and ethics are applied to all aspects of my life. All people should be true to their basic operating system of religion which is compatable with society unless your one of the crazy fringe ones. It seems to me being a Dominant or submissive would not alter that.


No, offense but even 'fringe' ones are paths. There can be no wrong in the rightness of any chosen path-or- there is both right/wrong in any path.


Religions based on hurting and causing harm are wrong. That applies to all things religious or not. That's what I base my statement on. And, no offense taken. I appreciate your pointing out my mistake. I guess I should have said religions based on harm and enslaving by fear are wrong instead of fringe ones even though all religions have that cpacaity if taken to far.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 6:19:00 AM   
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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 6:41:10 AM   
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But yes, it IS sacred, what I do. Pain and movement, music and dance, binding and sex, it all raises power. I'd be a fool not to manage it, at minimum;  not to use it, at best, with my bottom's consent to the work.






Thank you AlexandraLynch for saying the above.
To me it is all about energy and how we work it, and doesn't matter what religion or none we follow. Yes I am a follower of a Goddess but I am of no religion. All I do is hooked up with working with energy. I been fortunate to have found others that will help me, as well as working by myself.

To me it is all about energy work

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 6:42:59 AM   
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Thank you for mentioning the archetypes. I am such an archetype junkie. It is interesting to see them act out through all the phases of our earthly developement.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 7:00:06 AM   
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Nslavu
Thank you for mentioning the archetypes. I am such an archetype junkie. It is interesting to see them act out through all the phases of our earthly developement.


You're welcome. You may then be interested in Sacred Geometry. There are of course numskulls out there but if you already are working with energy, I'm sure you can sift through the BS and find the gems.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 8:52:59 AM   
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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 11:24:05 AM   
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One question regarding the OP - I'm not sure I've ever seen a male equivalent of the maiden/mother/crone triad before. Is the hunter/warrior/sage triad a part of mainstream pagan thought, or an interpretation of your own? I must admit that I find archetypes of this kind a bit constraining. If nothing else, I like to think that women can be warriors, hunters and sages as well, at pretty much any age.

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RE: Pagan Offerings - 3/10/2010 11:37:57 AM   
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One question regarding the OP - I'm not sure I've ever seen a male equivalent of the maiden/mother/crone triad before. Is the hunter/warrior/sage triad a part of mainstream pagan thought, or an interpretation of your own? I must admit that I find archetypes of this kind a bit constraining. If nothing else, I like to think that women can be warriors, hunters and sages as well, at pretty much any age.



Yes, at least in the communities i know. As for the archtypes, i personally don't see them as constraining... but that might be because i feel they are inner callings that might be hear by either gender.

For example; my own father answered to the call of mother. He is not TS or TG, nor does he wish to be. But dispite his 6'4" biker/computer guy appearance,,, you just feel maternal energy glowing from his spirit. It's hard to explain now that i've tried... but oh wells, he's a great guy and i loves him.

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