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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


You just aren't all that impressed with your human animal side are you?

I for one like kickin' a little ass, collecting tribute, nailin' my enemies bitches and demonstrating I am, a man of my word;


You mean a thug who has no respect for the rights and property of others.


Rights? Who determines those? You?

I believe our founding doucments speak directly to that question


If you're gonna say our Constitution I suggest you point out the areas you are referring too when it comes to foriegn issues and not that of US citizens.


Perhaps you might want to read those documents a bit more closely.

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maybe it's my Dragon Corp and SOCOM like mentality as opposed to your Marine upbringing. If I remember right it was one of them chicken shit CH53 pilots we were forced to take into Iran last time we had issues with them (back in the 70's) that flew into the 130 and casued us to scrap the rescue that would not have been neccesary if not for the present Iranian asshole and his friends.


Does beating your chest like that frighten your enemies?
 
 

Those still living, yes it would seem so.

If chest thumping is what frightens your enemies then your enemies are cowards

I'm curious, are you implying that chest thumping is a bad thing? It seems an all to fair form of communication.

Chest thumping works for the highland apes and children. Adults, I have noticed, can usually use verbal language skills.

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Hell you engaged it a form of it with the slave dude. Your comment about your pack and como wire was intended to serve you in a variety of ways, though I doubt you'd openly admit to it. My bet is that you were glad that Pirate Jonnie facilitated your agenda by stating what he did.

It is clear that you missed the analogy
 

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I'm ok with the fact you used your service to further your point and set your opponent off balance. Life is what it is, conflict, agendas and mayhem; oranized or not. Be prepared or ........................... die.


If you are going to do a "tony robbins" spiel please hold your thought while I go take a leak
 

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Sometimes its the "seemingly" unsolicited help that is most abundent. But it was your comments that begged my assist. I was just matching you up with a worthy advisory when you went to the swamp. But alas it appears you don't view me as worthy.[&o]

I think if you left your ego at home and quit thinking everyone is impressed with your chest thumping and flexing you have a lot of important and interesting points of view. As to your opinion that individuals or countries have some right to thug others out of their shit just because they think they can...well you and I will just have to disagree.
 

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Noise? It's all your noise that brought me out of the shadows, and that being said I suppose I should therefore draw a conclusion about your can do attitude based upon all the talking you do (noise you make).


If you want to have a discussion I think that is a good idea but save the flexing and posturing for someone who is impressed by such things.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

As for Mister Ahmadinejad, I have little use for what he states when he knows the camaras are rolling.

So you are content to listen to only one side of a discussion?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The first world war? You only got involved about eighteen months before the end of that one, but I don't think it served America's interests with the League Of Nations proving a fiasco the next President couldn't be arsed with.

The U.S. ostensibly entered WW I because the Germans sank the Lusitania. They said it was a legitimate target because it was carrying munitions. We said it was not a legitimate target because it was not carrying munitions. Subsequently we have found that the Lusitania was in fact loaded to the gunnels with munitions.
If you would like a list of over a hundred little wars the U.S. has been in in the past couple of hundred years I would be glad to give it to you.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Responsibilities are commitments we have made, Allies we have committed too and brew-haha's we have inspired. We can pull back our wings and mind our own business but not at the expense of our integrity or our world standing.


We have a long history of being an international thug...the word integrity seems so out of place when you put our "commitments" in light of history

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

No, but attacking a ship full of noncombatants is much better justification for entering a war than most that your country's come out with since.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

None would have been required. At that point we had this fuckin' bomb and they did not. I suspect we coiuld have halted the arms race at that point right there. Formed the UN, declared nuclear weapons illegal and found a way to use the bombs that were presently constructed as transparent deterrant and moved on.


Actually we did not have the atomic bomb when Germany surrendered.
When we did get the bomb we used the only two we had on Japan.
We had no more fissionable material to make another bomb.
So my question stands how would you have made a successful assault on Russia?
The Britts had already sacked Churchill and were not the least interested in getting into a pissing contest with Russia.
France and Russia were Allies.
The Russians outnumbered the allies in Europe by almost three to one.
Just what is it that makes you think we could have been successful against the Russians when over six million "supermen" got their collective asses spanked by the bear.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

None would have been required. At that point we had this fuckin' bomb and they did not. I suspect we coiuld have halted the arms race at that point right there. Formed the UN, declared nuclear weapons illegal and found a way to use the bombs that were presently constructed as transparent deterrant and moved on.


Actually we did not have the atomic bomb when Germany surrendered.
When we did get the bomb we used the only two we had on Japan.
We had no more fissionable material to make another bomb.
So my question stands how would you have made a successful assault on Russia?
The Britts had already sacked Churchill and were not the least interested in getting into a pissing contest with Russia.
France and Russia were Allies.
The Russians outnumbered the allies in Europe by almost three to one.
Just what is it that makes you think we could have been successful against the Russians when over six million "supermen" got their collective asses spanked by the bear.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

None would have been required. At that point we had this fuckin' bomb and they did not. I suspect we coiuld have halted the arms race at that point right there. Formed the UN, declared nuclear weapons illegal and found a way to use the bombs that were presently constructed as transparent deterrant and moved on.


Actually we did not have the atomic bomb when Germany surrendered.
When we did get the bomb we used the only two we had on Japan.
We had no more fissionable material to make another bomb.
So my question stands how would you have made a successful assault on Russia?
The Britts had already sacked Churchill and were not the least interested in getting into a pissing contest with Russia.
France and Russia were Allies.
The Russians outnumbered the allies in Europe by almost three to one.
Just what is it that makes you think we could have been successful against the Russians when over six million "supermen" got their collective asses spanked by the bear.

I stand by my comment....

The excuses you have presented are timeless and useless.

Are you implying that the "Bear" kicked the 6 million "Supermen" all by theirselves?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Someone seems to have forgotten that in WW2 we and the Russians were allies as well.

While, granted, we had the atomic bomb before the russians, and could have used it against the Russians, at least until 1948 when they detonated their first nuke, the fact we still would have had to fight a ground war.

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I really hate to burst your bubble, but the THIRD target on the list for a nuclear bomb was Tokyo. We had built four weapons, each a different design. Whether or not the other two would have worked was figured out at Bikini atoll, one failed to properly detonate and the other had a lower yield than expected. The myth that we only had two weapons have been around since the fifties.

At the time of the Korean war, we had a significant number of weapons, and the debate after China entered the war was if we should use them again. Another little known fact.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


You just aren't all that impressed with your human animal side are you?

I for one like kickin' a little ass, collecting tribute, nailin' my enemies bitches and demonstrating I am, a man of my word;


You mean a thug who has no respect for the rights and property of others.


Rights? Who determines those? You?

I believe our founding doucments speak directly to that question


If you're gonna say our Constitution I suggest you point out the areas you are referring too when it comes to foriegn issues and not that of US citizens.


Perhaps you might want to read those documents a bit more closely.

You are nothing if not predictable. I have read it, and I want to know what you believe it is that states I must allow the same rights as a citizen to anyone including an enemy.

The part that says "All men are created equal"

And allowing you an opportunity to be correct I am offerring you a stage to demonstrate as much. You know that part where the US cannot partake in property accumulation or wars that you define as aggression. Remember I can serve a board scope within my concepts of defense. I'm proactive and not so much reactive.

Please go back and reread my original post.
You seem to be arguing against something I have not said.

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maybe it's my Dragon Corp and SOCOM like mentality as opposed to your Marine upbringing. If I remember right it was one of them chicken shit CH53 pilots we were forced to take into Iran last time we had issues with them (back in the 70's) that flew into the 130 and casued us to scrap the rescue that would not have been neccesary if not for the present Iranian asshole and his friends.


Does beating your chest like that frighten your enemies?
 
 

Those still living, yes it would seem so.

If chest thumping is what frightens your enemies then your enemies are cowards

I'm curious, are you implying that chest thumping is a bad thing? It seems an all to fair form of communication.

Chest thumping works for the highland apes and children. Adults, I have noticed, can usually use verbal language skills.

Ohhh, a Darwinistic verbal spanking of the apeman and his less the sophisticated natural conditions, how sweet of you Miss Goodall.

Not a Darwinistic verbal spanking at all...just an observation that your posturing is more than a little purile

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Hell you engaged it a form of it with the slave dude. Your comment about your pack and como wire was intended to serve you in a variety of ways, though I doubt you'd openly admit to it. My bet is that you were glad that Pirate Jonnie facilitated your agenda by stating what he did.

It is clear that you missed the analogy
 

Interesting.... When you engage in a practice it is an analogy and when I do it..............................I'm an apeman. You are funny.

I am sorry you were unable to get my meaning...most everyone else did.

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I'm ok with the fact you used your service to further your point and set your opponent off balance. Life is what it is, conflict, agendas and mayhem; oranized or not. Be prepared or ........................... die.


If you are going to do a "tony robbins" spiel please hold your thought while I go take a leak
 

Ahhh, the dismissive I have no real retort to this comment that implies your opponent isn't worth your time. How big of you to not just try and piss on me.



Wrong again I was once again pointing out that your tedious rhetoric is just that...tedious

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Sometimes its the "seemingly" unsolicited help that is most abundent. But it was your comments that begged my assist. I was just matching you up with a worthy advisory when you went to the swamp. But alas it appears you don't view me as worthy.[&o]

I think if you left your ego at home and quit thinking everyone is impressed with your chest thumping and flexing you have a lot of important and interesting points of view. As to your opinion that individuals or countries have some right to thug others out of their shit just because they think they can...well you and I will just have to disagree.
 

Are you familiar with the term ad hominen?

Are you familiar with the term constructive criticism?

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Noise? It's all your noise that brought me out of the shadows, and that being said I suppose I should therefore draw a conclusion about your can do attitude based upon all the talking you do (noise you make).


If you want to have a discussion I think that is a good idea but save the flexing and posturing for someone who is impressed by such things.

If I am just flexing or posturing, I wonder what that says for you? While you are attempting to be a tad bit more subtle I see no vast difference in our debate tactics.

If debate is what you are interested in then please disregard all of my future posts.
I am interested in discussion and not debate.
Debate leads nowhere.
Discussion leads to understanding.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

As for Mister Ahmadinejad, I have little use for what he states when he knows the camaras are rolling.

So you are content to listen to only one side of a discussion?

I didn't say I wasn't watching (everything and hopefully all sides), in fact I am doing a lot of watching and damn sure more than what he or most likely even Washington wants me too.

I see what his actions inspire; where he sleeps and who his bedfellows are.I personally am looking for the less than obvious things he would like me to see and believe.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The United States is already considered to be pushy and arrogant to a fault. We use the threat of military action to make our point, and have for a number of years. The only thing that kept us in check was the Soviet Union.

Now we are the biggest, baddest guy on the block and everybody knows it, we just cant accept that some two bit third world country like Iran is willing to stand up to us.

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Which nobody besides Patton fancied at the time...

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Standing by your comment is one thing the question was and is how would you have accomplished the task of conquering the Russians?
Again anyone can thump their chest but how you gonna back up your bullshit?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

If debate is what you are interested in then please disregard all of my future posts.
I am interested in discussion and not debate.
Debate leads nowhere.
Discussion leads to understanding.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Then just what did the president of Iran mean when he said Israel had no right to exist. Not your opinion but what the man actually said.
Now if you cannot answer this question in the next few minutes it means that you are full of shit and have no clue what you are talking about.