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Brain -> USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 2:17:34 AM)

I don’t care if Iran develops nuclear weapons. They are a sovereign nation and have every right to do so if they feel threatened. They have every right to defend themselves. Now if they use those weapons in an aggressive way to attack Israel or any other country in the region that’s different. That’s unacceptable and the response should be in kind or in equal proportion and force.


USA's Global Military Dominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran

By Eric Sommer

The U.S.-sponsored drive to impose new economic sanctions on Iran has nothing to do with the noble cause of limiting proliferation of nuclear weapons on the planet. It is directly linked to the U.S. military doctrine of establishing 'full spectrum dominance' - i.e., military dominance on land, sea, air, and outer space over all other countries in the world. The logical extension of this doctrine is that only countries firmly allied to the U.S. government should be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons or to even develop the capacity to do so.

Israel , for example, is widely-believed to hold secret Nuclear weapons. Yet there is no call for sanctions or investigations of them. The reason is simple: They are a U.S. ally. India and Pakistan have declined to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and have developed nuclear weapons. Yet there is no call for sanctions or investigations of them. The reason is simple: They are U.S. allies.

Iran and North Korea are being subjected to economic sanctions, calls for more sanctions, and even threats of military aggression against them The reason is again simple: They are not U.S. allies.

The principal of national sovereignty includes non-interference in a nations internal affairs by outside powers. It is an important cornerstone of real international peace and security, and among other things is related to accepting and respecting the cultural, political, and economic diversity of the world.

A key element of national sovereignty is that wars of aggression against other nations which have not attacked ones' own nation are prohibited under international law. Wars of aggression were declared illegal at the Nuremberg trials after World War II, which established the invasion of other nations by Germany as the type-case.

Subsequently, the United Nations General Assembly has enacted resolutions prohibiting military aggression, invasions, and occupations of one country by another - except in self-defence when the target nation had attacked first.

Iran , at this point, is only known to be developing nuclear power plants and materials. And it has never attacked the U.S. Yet Iran is being subjected to sanctions, calls for more sanctions, and threats of possible military aggression against them.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/15-02-2010/112215-dominance_iran-0




mefisto69 -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 3:52:50 AM)

could it be that the 'leadership' of both those countries are know psychopaths?




Aneirin -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 8:11:38 AM)

Could psychopaths be made I wonder, I mean, keep piling in the threats, talk of sanctions and whatever, what could that do to a person.

That coupled with the fact that those who retain power in government via re election or other seem to lose the plot slightly in their later terms of office, for example, Thatcher and  Blair, both leaders who believed in themselves to the point of a near god like status, they both did good things in early office, but in later office they went slightly nuts., Blair leapt before he was pushed.

But then talking about psycopaths, how many of these people are attracted to and hold military positions, how many hold high jobs of office with massive responsibility and power who are undiagnosed, to remember a diagnosis of mental illness only comes after there has been a cause to wonder about. Of those affected with mental illness, how many are in positions of power as the personality type is out there amongst all other personality types.




rockspider -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 8:21:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

But then talking about psycopaths, how many of these people are attracted to and hold military positions, how many hold high jobs of office with massive responsibility and power who are undiagnosed, to remember a diagnosis of mental illness only comes after there has been a cause to wonder about. Of those affected with mental illness, how many are in positions of power as the personality type is out there amongst all other personality types.

According to leading psychiatrists about 10 - 15 percent of them. Scary isn't it.




slvemike4u -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 9:22:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brain

I don’t care if Iran develops nuclear weapons. They are a sovereign nation and have every right to do so if they feel threatened. They have every right to defend themselves. Now if they use those weapons in an aggressive way to attack Israel or any other country in the region that’s different. That’s unacceptable and the response should be in kind or in equal proportion and force.


USA's Global Military Dominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran

By Eric Sommer

The U.S.-sponsored drive to impose new economic sanctions on Iran has nothing to do with the noble cause of limiting proliferation of nuclear weapons on the planet. It is directly linked to the U.S. military doctrine of establishing 'full spectrum dominance' - i.e., military dominance on land, sea, air, and outer space over all other countries in the world. The logical extension of this doctrine is that only countries firmly allied to the U.S. government should be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons or to even develop the capacity to do so.

Israel , for example, is widely-believed to hold secret Nuclear weapons. Yet there is no call for sanctions or investigations of them. The reason is simple: They are a U.S. ally. India and Pakistan have declined to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and have developed nuclear weapons. Yet there is no call for sanctions or investigations of them. The reason is simple: They are U.S. allies.

Iran and North Korea are being subjected to economic sanctions, calls for more sanctions, and even threats of military aggression against them The reason is again simple: They are not U.S. allies.

The principal of national sovereignty includes non-interference in a nations internal affairs by outside powers. It is an important cornerstone of real international peace and security, and among other things is related to accepting and respecting the cultural, political, and economic diversity of the world.

A key element of national sovereignty is that wars of aggression against other nations which have not attacked ones' own nation are prohibited under international law. Wars of aggression were declared illegal at the Nuremberg trials after World War II, which established the invasion of other nations by Germany as the type-case.

Subsequently, the United Nations General Assembly has enacted resolutions prohibiting military aggression, invasions, and occupations of one country by another - except in self-defence when the target nation had attacked first.

Iran , at this point, is only known to be developing nuclear power plants and materials. And it has never attacked the U.S. Yet Iran is being subjected to sanctions, calls for more sanctions, and threats of possible military aggression against them.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/15-02-2010/112215-dominance_iran-0

So you don't care if Iran develops nuclear weapons.....interesting.Further you state a willingness to respond in kind if Iran,as is their stated policy uses said weapons to destroy the state of Isreal.
Well isn't that all peachy and keen of you Brain.Let me see if I can break this down for you a bit....under your scenario.....America minds her own business and lets a sovereign theocratic nation develop the capacity to use WMD on her neighbors.
That nation than uses said weapons(no surprise there they have affirmed their desire to remove the Zionists from the map for lo these meany years)we than reduce Iran to a nuclear wasteland.....are you with me so far Brain.
The Middle East is now one big nuclear parking lot...complete with rotting corpses...and radioactive and unusable oil.
But we haven't meddled in the private affairs of a sovereign nation.....cool.
The preceding might have been just a tad dramatic....but all in all considering Brain's childish veiws on this matter.




CelticNightmare -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 9:24:49 AM)

The reasons for Sanctions against Iran have more to do with everyone being scared shitless that a bunch of fanatical towel heads are going to touch off world war three if they get the bomb, than anything else.




slvemike4u -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 10:07:20 AM)

Seems reason enough for me.......but as Brain states they are a soveriegn Nation and we have no recourse but to respect that and allow them to lead us all into nuclear oblivion.
All at the alter of self determination.....cool.




thompsonx -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 12:21:19 PM)

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America minds her own business and lets a sovereign theocratic nation develop the capacity to use WMD on her neighbors.


Are you talking about Pakistan or Iran?


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That nation than uses said weapons(no surprise there they have affirmed their desire to remove the Zionists from the map for lo these meany years)


If you had watched the 60 minutes interview with the president of Iran you would have heard what he actually said instead of what the government said he said.




slvemike4u -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 12:32:22 PM)

Pakistan has nukes....so unless you hhave developed a time machine....your point is moot.
Years of belicose statements trump one 60 minutes interveiw everytime....but hey,if you are comfortable with the Mullahs in Iran having control of a couple of nukes all well and good...but realize this...most of Iran's neighbors will not be so comfortable....and will seek their own nuke's.
Just what the world needs a nuclear arms race in the most volatile region of the world....but thats cool....you have stayed true to your well known anti-american principals...and Brain has upheld the sactity of self determination.Don't worry about the price just keep going down the rabbit hole.




thompsonx -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 1:08:01 PM)

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you have stayed true to your well known anti-american principals.


Which well known anti-american principals would these be?




slvemike4u -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 2:34:51 PM)

Fuck it.....like I need another spitting match.You're as American as apple pie Thompson!




thompsonx -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 4:28:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Fuck it.....like I need another spitting match.You're as American as apple pie Thompson!



Until you have humped my 782 gear through the swamp stringing com wire you have no clue as to my Americanism




thompsonx -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 4:39:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Pakistan has nukes....so unless you hhave developed a time machine....your point is moot.

My point was and is that we did nothing while Pakistan developed a nuclear capability...so if it is ok for one islamic republic to posses nukes then why not another?

Years of belicose statements trump one 60 minutes interveiw everytime....

We have a twenty minute face to face interview with the man and you would rather believe what his enemies say he said...interesting

but hey,if you are comfortable with the Mullahs in Iran having control of a couple of nukes all well and good...but realize this...most of Iran's neighbors will not be so comfortable....and will seek their own nuke's.

Which neighbors are those?
Israel (pretty sure they already got em)
India...yep they got em too.
Pakistan...same same
Iraq...we own em and we got em
Afghanistan...we own em and we got em
Syria...would most likely share Iran's technology



Just what the world needs a nuclear arms race in the most volatile region of the world....but thats cool....you have stayed true to your well known anti-american

If I tell you the truth and you do not like it that makes me "anti amreican"...why come?


principals...and Brain has upheld the sactity of self determination.Don't worry about the price just keep going down the rabbit hole.





JonnieBoy -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 6:34:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticNightmare

The reasons for Sanctions against Iran have more to do with everyone being scared shitless that a bunch of fanatical towel heads are going to touch off world war three if they get the bomb, than anything else.


World War 4 you mean surely ?

Your ex-pres. of the U S of glorious A and his performing UK chimp touched off 3.

Without a towel ? not sure ... if towels are any measure of fanaticism ... perhaps extra taxes should be levied on them to pay for all the coffins being re-patriated to the USA and the UK ?

Nothing to do with oil then folks, nothing to see here, please move along.

Pirate




JonnieBoy -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 6:42:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mefisto69

could it be that the 'leadership' of both those countries are know psychopaths?


Not anymore, there's a new pres. in the USA ... as for the Iranian "leadership" ... it could be a factor.

Pirate




AnimusRex -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 6:48:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Until you have humped my 782 gear through the swamp stringing com wire you have no clue as to my Americanism!


Man...I have not one idea what this sentence means, but when read aloud, it is fucking awesome. I added the exclamation point to make it awesomer.




JonnieBoy -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 6:57:53 PM)

USMC issue kit ... I think  ... suggests you might get fucked if you run into him and his buddies in a bad mood.

Pirate




slvemike4u -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 8:26:09 PM)

Lets just say the anti american principals was un-called for and I apologise as well as thank you for your service....of course in doing so I am ignoring every other confrontation I have had with you on these boards.In damm near every one of our previous exchanges you have taken or espoused veiwpoints critical of America's foreign policy en masse.....America's contribution to the victory in Europe in WWII....claimed every war the United States has been involved in since the Revolution (save the Civil War...I think) as wars of aggression......etc etc.
Please let me know if I got any of this wrong.
And again thanks for your service.




kdsub -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 8:57:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

So you don't care if Iran develops nuclear weapons.....interesting.Further you state a willingness to respond in kind if Iran,as is their stated policy uses said weapons to destroy the state of Isreal.
Well isn't that all peachy and keen of you Brain.Let me see if I can break this down for you a bit....under your scenario.....America minds her own business and lets a sovereign theocratic nation develop the capacity to use WMD on her neighbors.
That nation than uses said weapons(no surprise there they have affirmed their desire to remove the Zionists from the map for lo these meany years)we than reduce Iran to a nuclear wasteland.....are you with me so far Brain.
The Middle East is now one big nuclear parking lot...complete with rotting corpses...and radioactive and unusable oil.
But we haven't meddled in the private affairs of a sovereign nation.....cool.
The preceding might have been just a tad dramatic....but all in all considering Brain's childish veiws on this matter.



Not dramatic enough...right now they could reach some of our military bases and in a few years our cities...Bush and Clinton played around and let Korea develop nuclear weapons... what if they decide to join with Iran and start bombing Japan... or Alaska... Damn sometimes you don't think Brain.

But you are not alone. A weapon that can kill billions has to be controlled even if by force…even if in a unilateral way. There is nothing we can do about those that already have this capability like it or not but we can stop a country that has threatened us…supplied terrorists…and pledged the destruction of Israel.

Yes I’m sure many in Iran believe it is the only way to be taken seriously in the region and mean this development as a political ploy not as a weapon. But I trust our men with their fingers on the button but not a country that encourages and produces religious fanatics.

Butch




JonnieBoy -> RE: USA's Global MilitaryDominance: Real Reason for Sanctions Against Iran (2/16/2010 11:17:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Lets just say the anti american principals was un-called for and I apologise as well as thank you for your service....of course in doing so I am ignoring every other confrontation I have had with you on these boards.In damm near every one of our previous exchanges you have taken or espoused veiwpoints critical of America's foreign policy en masse.....America's contribution to the victory in Europe in WWII....claimed every war the United States has been involved in since the Revolution (save the Civil War...I think) as wars of aggression......etc etc.
Please let me know if I got any of this wrong.
And again thanks for your service.


You have definately got some of this wrong.

Thankyou for qualifying my endorsement of the justifiaction for the rebellion against the crown, however, I would find it unwelcome to be misquoted on that conflict.

WWII was a war that the US were involved in since the revolution, I have never stated that to have been an aggressive involvment. (busted your dream in one)

In parts of Europe, there was NO victory at the end of your WWII, although America's contribution to one (a victory) is recognised in America, my feelings are that "America" decided (as it was perfectly entitled to do) when "the end" of that war was ... and left behind many millions still in conflict when it retreated. My views on the British involvment and my perceived outcome of that are, I believe, off topic here.

Every war the USA has been involved in since (hopefully you're not including it) the revolution ? ... how many would I be able to comment on ? ... very few.

I fear you mistake me for a dyed in the wool "Brit" ... and that could be causing some confusion (If you check with anyone who knows me well, I suspect you're in for a shock if so). You want me to be your "anti American" ? Is this your debate ... or do you take personal issue with me ?

Are you saying America's ... let alone ANY other countries foreign policies are beyond criticism ? ... Let me know your favourite one and I'll be pleased to respond.

WWW = let's understand that we can't always agree, but that does not make us enemies.

Pirate




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